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On 6/19/2020 at 5:21 PM, Orion said:

That depends upon who one was listening to.

The medical scientists that I watched and read said that they were 'hoping' that the hot weather would have an affect like it does with the flu but there was no telling if it would or not.

I was talking about the anti-science people who were using it as one of many excuses to downplay the virus.

This thing about warm weather came out in Feb-March I believe. At the time I looked at data from Chile, Brazil and Argentina, which was having temperatures of 80+. Just like Australia, they were experiencing more and more cases of Covid-19. That temperature thing was thrown out to the public, like a lot of other crap, with little to no facts backing it up.

I also remember Thailand saying in February that they found a cure based upon mixing some herbs together.

The hell with worrying about a football season. Look around with what the rest of the world is doing. We are doing the worse of all the major countries in dealing with this thing by far. We are so concerned with masks equating to individual liberties, opening up the economy ASAP, ignoring social distancing, in short, not having legal consequences when people disregard the public safety, that we will drag this thing out until a vaccine is produced and distributed. Note the numbers on the left. Our baseline is currently about 4x the number of cases of the average high of the other countries'.

There is possibly a strategy here that Clowney and his agent are using. 

The Browns have to commit to Vernon the week before the season starts, assuming they don't have anyone else. If they really want Clowney (and given their offer they do), then Clowney and his agent could be better served waiting until 5 minutes to midnight to see if the Browns up their offer.

It's not really a risk because no one else is offering Clowney anything close to what the Browns are, so why not wait and see if the Browns panic? He has nothing to lose until a team puts a competing offer on the table. Unless the Browns pull back their offer, which would be unlikely.

But the Browns could also reduce their offer at that time, and put Clowney in a corner to either take it or wait the season out. That's the risk he is taking, if this is his strategy. But again, I don't know how likely it is that the Browns would do that. 

9 hours ago, Tour2ma said:

I wonder how TB12 would feel about him in TB?

This is what Gordon tweeted after Brady announced he was leaving N.E. Granted, I'm sure Gordon wanted to leave the option open that Brady would want him wherever he went but at least Gordon felt comfortable enough to send this to him: “It was an honor & privilege to even sit next to you big homie, Thank you for everything. 🙏🏾🏆💍🐐,” Gordon commented.

I don't know how much Gordon still has in his tank but I re-watched his 2013 highlights. Damn.....looks like he wasn't even trying that hard (and if he was high every game like he says he was, he wasn't), but he could have been one of the all-time great ones.

"Gordon’s suspension falls under the rules of the old CBA, as opposed to the new agreement that has a more lenient drug policy." So he doesn't get a break there.

He will look great as a workout warrior. Someone will say "What the hell" and take a shot on him. He will just be a JAG at this stage of his career, and a smart GM will think to himself that, being a JAG, Gordon doesn't bring any more potential than your typical 2nd-3rd team receiver but does bring additional risk, so will cut him for the average player with less risk. 

Gordon will then join up with Johnny Manziel and do their best Uncle Rico imitation with some minor football league, if one ever comes back.

4 hours ago, hoorta said:

The only chance is stadiums at 1\6 capacity- Tour suggested it already. A good read...  https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2020-05-08/coronavirus-outbreak-leaves-nfl-season-under-layer-uncertainty

From our old pal Joe Banner's POV...  “There is no way they are opening the season with 60,000 people in a building,” said Joe Banner, former president of the Philadelphia Eagles and chief executive of the Cleveland Browns. “That in my mind is a zero possibility.”

I'm on record it's odds on the start of the season will be delayed- by as much as two months... Goody-goody. Browns playing the Steelers around President's Day. Stock up on winter survival gear now. (I already have plenty because of my winter bike riding.) 

Good article. Here is interesting video on what China is doing/planning on testing people for Covid-19. Seems unlikely the NFL would adopt these procedures but they are looking at billions of dollars of lost revenue so I imagine all options are open. I assume there are U.S. companies doing this but who knows?

A weakness to this type of testing (high temperature) is that a person could be contagious without a temperature. Still, it's pretty cool stuff. 

https://www.youtube(dot)com/watch?v=W97O3pbCqP4

On 5/7/2020 at 5:27 PM, The Gipper said:

You shit on your own thread because you had no clue how to ask the question you really wanted answered, so I had to fix it for you.

You're Welcome. 

 

Your problem (yes it is your problem), is that you consistently and willingly go far down a wrong path. You do it by throwing out meaningless 'objections' or 'challenges' to assumptions with which a person with half a brain understands the context in which it is asked. In other words your 'clarifications' add no value to the conversation whatsoever and it's only purpose, as far as I can tell, is that it gives you some feel of exceptionalism over others. This is shown by your constant referencing that people should 'thank you', or by your challenging people by telling them they are 'afraid of the 'truth', etc. for which I can only understand you to mean that you believe that you are the only one on the side of 'truth' and if only we agree with you will we 'understand'.  

And then you are so weak that you get into pissing contests with anyone who disagrees with you, but it's not the usual kind of pissing contests you see in forums like these. It's your goal to personally insult the person more and more until  they just get exhausted and quit responding. Then you are 'satisfied' that you won. 

What a bunch of shit. I'm new here and when I first started reading this forum really liked the people and the comments (I still do). There are people in here that know football a lot better than I do and I am excited to learn more. But you are constantly turning this forum into your own playpen, acting out all your unhappiness and bitterness with people in here, and it gets old, at least for me (perhaps others might not feel the same). The thing is, you sometimes raise excellent points, and your referencing Browns things from yesteryear are great. But, imo,  those times are just completely drowned out by your obnoxious behaviour.

So, for the record, I am not pissed. That would take too much energy and, to be frank, you're not worth it. There is just so much negativity in your writing that I choose to pass over them, and not to respond to your comments, except one time to explain it here as a reply to your several references to me. Part of my deciding not to engage you is also because I think it's too bad that so much of this forum's time and energy is spent focused around you and your insulting people or 'correcting' them. But hey, that's what social media is all about. We can't all be satisfied with the directions it takes. Other people on here may disagree with me, and I have no doubt that you will feel compelled to answer in your usual way, but I thought I owed you an explanation.  

32 minutes ago, Unsympathetic said:

The 5% who "don't" will always have that "research" paid by the industry that is negatively impacted economically.

This isn't difficult: If you offer to pay everyone's salaries/provide ritzy labs&research gear, you can PAY PEOPLE TO LIE.  This is precisely what happens on the "news" networks -- it's stenography rather than journalism, and in every case those 5% are stenographers rather than scientists.

 

So, unless you actually think everything on both MSNBC and Fox News [see what i did there? Both sides!] is pure unvarnished truth nuggets..  You have to look through the source of payment before just jumping to the "conclusion" from a "scientist."

It doesn't even have to be money-focused. Just look at the same story and how it is presented in various countries. You realize how much things are framed differently because of different cultural values.

One of the 'problems' is that science is not like math. In math we know that 2+2=4 (throw out the esoteric stuff that 'proves' it isn't). In science it is evidenced-based and, while some of it, e.g. chemical reactions, approach certainty like math, science is mainly reached thru empirical means.

A good example is that of cigarette smoking. Most people think cigarette smoking is linked to lung cancer. (Believe it or not this was actually argued about extensively in the media 60 years ago). So can anyone say how many cigarettes you need to smoke before you get cancer? Or how many months, years, decades you need to smoke before you get cancer? What about the people who smoke their entire lives and don't get it?

That's the problem with science and why some people deny it or distort it. Sometimes it can't give exact answers, and even if 95% of the scientists believe a connection, there will be some people who will look at the 5% of people, or the fact that the 95% can't answer exactly when, how, how much, etc. and say "See?! I told you they were a bunch of quacks!" To give it a Browns' analogy, it's like the Browns dominate in a game over the Ravens and win 30-10 but some Ravens fans point to the 3 plays which the Ravens looked good and say "See? You didn't dominate us. Look at how we broke your tackles or got to Baker!"

When covid-19 first broke and China began shutting down there was skepticism in the U.S. about the disease. But if you think about it, China was voluntarily shutting down their economy, at a time when they were having sensitive trade discussions with the U.S. Why the fuck would they do that at that time unless they felt that the situation was unbelievably serious? They didn't say "Well, this is like the flu and no big deal and we will treat it such". They shut down transportation and festivities during their biggest holiday season, the Chinese New Year, when billions of trips are made by Chinese to visit relatives.

Or, why are most doctors and health officials, both Rep and Dem, going to such great lengths in telling us to be careful and promote a shelter-in-place? Are all of them on the same page? No, of course not. But are they in some kind of conspiracy, or are questioning, en masse, the stats which they are privy to and knowledgeable about?

It's just something to think about.

34 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:

Also a funny little curiosity, I can't help but notice those with out an original opinion re: football - I.e. those who over generalize so greatly that their posts are poorly constructed, miss the mark, inaccurate, little of any attention to detail....       Are some of the same people taking a similar stance re: this CoViD crisis.

It's almost as if critical thinking, experience, willingness to be open to information and making level headed decisions are thrown almost completely out of the window regardless of topic.

You have touched on an excellent point which a good friend of mine, who is a psychologist, has written about. The topic is how science deniers fail to appreciate detail, or complexities, in argument. They think in broad concepts, black and white. Exactly what you refer to. This is far from talking about football, but then again this topic is also. For those interested here is the article: https://newsregister.com/article?articleTitle=jeremy-shapiro-science-deniers-fail-to-appreciate-complexities--1526674871--29659--commentary

He is scheduled to make approximately $8.5 million in salary and extras this year, and is an UFA next year. While he would be a great addition I don't think the $ and contract would be attractive for the Browns.

Would rather have played the Ravens in a couple of weeks, after we have a few games under our belt. The flip side of that, of course, is that they won't have any game tape to watch of us, and we will be a larger unknown than they will be to us.

1 hour ago, Tour2ma said:

But only when it comes to shitting in someone else's thread.

You're right. 

3 minutes ago, Orion said:

They let Cambridge ho's in the coast guard?   Cool.

Hey, he's cool in my book. The only problem I may have with him is that....the Browns...ok...the Cavs...maybe before...but putting the Indians ahead of hot, naked women? Damn, I hope that's not in order. 😁

24 minutes ago, cambridgeho said:

I am in the coast guard. We save lives daily. We are just making sure that we all are in good health. I guess a certain temperature means we may have some kinda something. In the last few months we have saved many people and disputed many drugs coming into the us. We didn't get a port call on a 90 day patrol, but everyone is safe and healthy.

Wow, let me repeat Icecube and say thank you. You are one of the silent heroes whom we don't read about every day but who literally put their lives on the line daily. 

A somewhat related, curious question. Has the pandemic affected the rate of drug interdiction or episodes you encounter? It may be too early in it to call it but my guess is that the bad guys are using this period to try to slip in under the door.

1 hour ago, cambridgeho said:

Being dealing with this for 2.5 months now. I have had to get my temperature taken everyday before I go into work and it is effective. If they sold tickets for half the capacity and set everyone with a seat between them, ensured everyone was not actively sick, then it would be a problem. Those who are scared of catching something will stay home. Those who wanna go tailgate before will do so. My ass will be there sporting the free browns facemasks they will be giving out. 

You mind me asking what kind of job you have where you are tested daily? Also, a good point was brought up about the bathrooms being a problem (people congregating).

Interesting results so far. About 2/3 wouldn't go and 1/3 would, if it's status quo in September. I would imagine that the league would have several areas of concern they'd have to consider in order to have games. 1) Level of interests by fans to attend. If, for example, 2/3 of season ticket holders don't attend, how could teams legally fill those seats? A waiver would have to be signed. If you were a season ticket holder would you sign one? I don't think many would without some form of payment.

Second, the NFL would have to have fans and players sign a non-liability statement which would make it impossible for anyone to sue the NFL for damages if/when someone was to get sick and/or die.

Third, if a few people did die what kind of PR hit would the NFL take?

Things will change between now and then. Will be interesting to see what happens. Any thoughts about it?

55 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

Sorry you can't handle the truth.

I'm sorry. I don't play these games. Know that I won't be reading any more of your posts.

8 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

If everything was roughly the same as they are now.....then no one would be going to games and they would not be allowed.  So that particular question is superfluous.   Your question is:  How much better must things get before the league/cities/states  would allow fans to go to games,  and if they were allowed, would you go?

And don't be so foolish to think that a question like you asked would not be turned into a debate.  You invited a debate by asking it. 

You can be really boring sometimes...and predictable.

I don't know how to make a poll on here with comments so thought I would just ask. Am just curious.

Let's assume that it's September and things with Covid-19 are roughly the same as they are now. The Browns are playing their season opener against a division rival, take your pick as to which team. How many of you would go to that game?

Note- Please don't turn this into a debate. There is already a thread devoted to it. Thanks.

2 hours ago, The Gipper said:

That is not "pessimism"  that is  whinyassbitchism.  Boston's basketball team had been winning a ton of titles;  their hockey team had won titles.  And by 2004 their football team had won a couple of titles.  And look since how many titles each of those Boston area teams have won. They are overprivileged little cuntholes is what they are,  not "pessimists".   

Now, in Cleveland, we have pessimism.  The football team not appearing in a title game since 1964.  Then the  1997 and 2016 7th game extra inning losses in the World Series.    It has waned a bit since the Cavs won in 2016....but its still there big time, really.  When the Browns and Indians win...then maybe it will go away. 

Ok. What you say is true. You still need to double your Valium dosage though ( j/k!)   😉

25 minutes ago, Orion said:

That was a guy who knew how to coach the players that he had.

When he had Bob Griese, Larry Csonka, Jim Kick and Mercury Morris, he ran the ball down your throat.

When he had Dan Marino, Mark Duper and Mark Clayton, he passed you to death.

A great coach.  God bless his soul.

Bill Walsh said he was the greatest coach because he won with 5 different QBs.

Cleveland-area born and raised. Went to John Carroll Univ. Was a big Browns fan and one of the best coaches ever. RIP.

2 minutes ago, Orion said:

You can say that again!

You didn't sound pessimistic to me.  -  I'm pessimistic.  That way I don't get so disappointed. 

I lived in Boston for 7 years- before the Sox won the W.S. for the first time in 1,000 years. I know that New England pessimism! 😁