Zombo

3 hours ago, Pavo Joe said:

Since none of our opinions amount to a hill of beans as far as what actually happens eventually, how has this thread survived this long ? Syd and Zombo just get a room. 

So glad a homo from a Dome City is here to tell us our opinions don't matter. Maybe if you Georgia sheep would have stood up and been counted Falcons games wouldn't be as boring as a Ladies Curling.

20 hours ago, mjp28 said:

I  100+% agree  I don't like those ugly domes for 'Merican smash mouth football  now retractable stadiums I 100+% agree  with.  I'd like to go that way, just lay out the Cleveland and region benefits  like hotels, bars, parking, and other tax and revenue produing cash and jobs, jobs, jobs !

And   the massive ROI   -OR-  in everyday person's language how everyone will make   mo' money   having a regional use retractable stadium like hotels, for the 8 BROWNS GAMES  and the   endless   tractor pulls, rodeos,  concerts, conventions,  on and on and on.

The tax and many other $$$ benefits will go into the state and local cash drawers to pay back the stadium costs and other revenues to to save (and spend).  Who knows maybe they will lower our taxes !   .  

The retractable stadium  (or ugly dome) benefits are endless.    

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4 hours ago, syd said:

hell ya im drunen as hell but if i wanna go to work tommorow i do  not have to

How did that work out?

Z

1 hour ago, Orion said:

Notice the sports being played.  Indoors and snow.  Championships were held before the end of the year.  That's how the football league was designed.  We're now playing in skiing season.

 

The NFL decides what season is it is.

And domes are gay.

Congrats to KC and Philly who make watching the NFL enjoyable to watch with outdoor stadiums, natural sunlight, real grass and rabid fans.

Z

I can't hardly hear these fans in KC cheering. Must be because they are cold and wearing mittens.

Z

27 minutes ago, Orion said:

He's not going to give the correct answer.  He's biased.  

 

That's correct.  I thought there would be a huge consensus of traditionalists that would shut down the idea immediately.  Like tons of Zombos.  So I'm pleasantly surprised that there are more of us roof supporters out there than I thought.

People forget that the NFL season always ended before the end of the year.  Football wasn't played in January or February.  Now they've got so many teams and keep adding games (you KNOW they'll be going to 18 games right?  They are NOT staying at odd number 17).  So now we're playing football in skiing season.  THAT was not the intention of the founding fathers.    

So, I like grass and open air like other NFL cold weather  places like New England, Buffalo, New York, Philadelphia,  Baltimore,  Pittsburgh,  Cincinnati,  Kansas City, Denver, Chicago and Green Bay but us "Zombos" are just ridiculous old people with biases who opinions don't matter?

No, we are the heart and soul of the Cleveland Browns and we KNOW that the best future of the Cleveland Browns franchise is to remain open air on grass. It's working pretty good for the 8 teams... and cities ... I watched this weekend.

None of you are city planners, just dick heads that don't want to be cold and wet watching a game that was meant to be played could and wet.

I am so fucking embarrassed for you.

Z

46 minutes ago, Orion said:

He's not going to give the correct answer.  He's biased.  

 

That's correct.  I thought there would be a huge consensus of traditionalists that would shut down the idea immediately.  Like tons of Zombos.  So I'm pleasantly surprised that there are more of us roof supporters out there than I thought.

People forget that the NFL season always ended before the end of the year.  Football wasn't played in January or February.  Now they've got so many teams and keep adding games (you KNOW they'll be going to 18 games right?  They are NOT staying at odd number 17).  So now we're playing football in skiing season.  THAT was not the intention of the founding fathers.    

What am I biased about? Loving the Browns?

Would you like the opinion of only people that agree with you, Chief? Weak.

Z

3 hours ago, mjp28 said:

Zombo simple question for you what if they    don't   go for the  "faggety dome"  but instead go for a   "Cleveland  Regional Retractable Open Air  BROWNS  Stadium " ?     (which happens to be my favorite choice)

You're our Naples   "TBB Real Estate Guy"    what would be ideally  be  best for our Cleveland Regional BROWNS Football Team ?   A.  The current open air football stadium.   B.  A new Retractable Football stadium.   or  C.  A new domed  football  stadium.

★   And this question is also open to  everyone  here to give their opinions on.    Thanks, mjp.  

...... edit add,  hey Orion,  I bet you never thought that this topic would go 154+ replies and 2,100+ views ?      

What's best is to not be gay when it comes to football.

Open Air. Grass.

Z

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2 hours ago, syd said:

snowing in buffalo doesnt seem to dampen the enthusiasm of the crowd so ya fuck a dome 

Championships will be played outdoors on turf in Kansas City in Philadelphia. 

I hope we have that someday.

But, no, let's build a faggety Dame and make the pencil pushers happy.

Z

1 hour ago, Bob806 said:

Lol, yes indeed. We are entering that weird time of year for sports on tv.

I like, but don't love basketball so I don't watch it unless the Cavs, Buckeyes, or even Cleveland State are doing well.

I do vegetate on the Golf Channel, but it's not ultra important until the Masters in April. 

 

I'm lost after the playoffs end. I love the Cavs,  but I don't get their games unless I buy the NBA package, same with the Tribe and MLB. March Madness is fun, and hopefully the Cavs will go on a playoff run, and I'll watch any baseball game on a lazy Summer Night ... but nothing gets my blood pumping like a real, actual Cleveland Browns regular season football game.

I'll be ready to be tortured again in September 2023 ... until then, I guess I'll just have to enjoy myself.

Z

3 hours ago, ballpeen said:

Maybe so.  I think it plays out more over the course of the season rather than individual games.  Aslo, good teams are  just good teams.  The stadium probably doesn't make all that much of a difference.

 

I just feel that domes create a much louder environment.  I just know that i can make more noise when the weather is nice rather than when all bundled up, wearing thick gloves and a scarf over my mouth.  That just makes common sense.  Right?

Let's see how much noise they make in Kansas City, Philly and Buffalo this weekend.

Z

17 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said:

 

We agree on comic book movies.

Homosexuals in Real Estate must be an Ohio thing.

I saw it as an opportunity to make a good living. I coulda been a ditchdigger,  then I would have a lot of street cred on the Browns Board, however I wouldn't be able to afford that awesome outdoor stadium you have up there.  Conundrum. 

Z

25 minutes ago, Orion said:

My original thinking for the thread was, Money was no object....but of course, $$ would be a big reason to Tell Me Again Why We Can't....

Well, an awful lot of those Winds Off The Lake people stayed home for that game against the Saints.  And that was a must win for us to keep our playoff hopes alive.  Now, perhaps there would've been more fans there if it were the Steelers, but the majority of those would've been Steeler fans.  And that's more embarrassing than empty seats. 

And not just for the economic value of a roof (retractable is fine) for hosting other things for the community (and profit) and/or a super bowl, or combine.  And not even for the comfort of the fans and attracting more of them to late season games...but also for the comfort of the players.  It's not the 1960's anymore.  Players can move around the league now-a-days.  They're not stuck in Minnesota with that Whako Bud Grant not allowing his players to have sideline heaters.  You're competing not just on the field, you're also competing for talent.   Look how much $$ it took to lure Watson.  New Orleans wouldn't have needed to pay near that much for him.  (turned out they didn't need him to beat us...they had what's-his-face playing wild cat) - that game was a gut punch and a slap in the face at the same time.  It's what caused me to start this thread.  That crap-ass offense beat us and eliminated us...while we had beautiful td passes sliding through the frozen fingers of our receivers.  Geezuz Joseph and Mary that game pissed me off.   

Well our run defense sucked ass and couldn't adjust to Taysom Hill running on us even though everyone frozen in the stands and warm at home knew he was running it when he was in there.

I think firing the defensive coordinator was a much more logical reaction than building a dome.

Z

1 hour ago, Dutch Oven said:

Sincerely,

A Florida Resident That Sells Real Estate 

😉

Well, I sell a lot of Real Estate. So I can afford to fly up anytime and watch the Browns and blow bucks on hotels and restaurants with my traveling friends.

I can tell you that ends if you build a faggety dome. Takes away from the Cleveland experience for me. And I'm sure that goes for a lot of traveling Dawgs. But you'll get more housewives from Medina and a "family friendly" experience.

Anything else you'd like to ruin? Baseball? Yoga pants? Dave and Busters?

Z

7 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

You seem to be projecting pretty hard here. Someone in the 60s called you a girl and you've really taken it to heart, huh? 

 

And you can find articles talking about those stadiums adding domes and why it makes sense... 

 

 

Call me crazy but I'd rather have a massive city investment that provides us more payback and usage than not adding a dome so you can continue to compensate for something.

Payback, investment, usage ... Dude, I've been a Florida resident for 30 years. I'm not here to give you advice on how to run your city. Just get your gay-ass dome notions out of the way, because that's not what the Cleveland Browns are about. The Browns are bigger than your multi-use ideas. They are a Keystone NFL Franchise in the cradle of professional football.  The Browns decide what's best for them and then the city adjusts accordingly 

We lost them once, let's hope everyone learned a lesson: Browns come first. We fought hard to get them back way before you even kissed your first boy.

Z

2 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

I assume you're against every other technological innovation that's been incorporated into the game too, right?

 

Changing from thin leather helmets bastardized the game

Multiple and better cameras bastardized the game

Replays bastardized the game

Improves training and recovery methods bastardized the game

The forward pass bastardized the game...

 

 

People watch football on TV, so it doesn't matter how many fans actually come to the games, how many non football events use the stadium, or how much revenue is generated from these events...

None of those things bastardized the game, they improved it. Artificial turf does not improve it. 

Domes turn you into a team that is disadvantaged in January on the road. That's not ideal.

Do you see Buffalo getting a dome? No, their fans fucking love the elements, they embrace it.

Do you think they'll put a roof on Lambeau? Dome in Pittsburgh.  No ... because they are tough cities and their stadiums, and their fans embody the city.

The Lions have a nice cozy dome for for all the suburbanites from Farmington Hills with sweaters tied around their necks to get a pita wrap and an Italian Ice and sit around giving golf claps ... because they're pussies.

The City of Cleveland can't control how the Browns play, but they can't at least provide an environment that fosters a tough, loyal, engaged fan base with its rustbelt NE Ohio roots of being the birthplace of professional football.

We're not a dome town. We're a steel town, a tough town, a winds blowing off the lake town ... please don't take that image away with a pussy-ass dome.

Z

2 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

Yep. You?

And do they even let you out of the home to buy things? Your "rec" area is technically always domed, right? You can't do water aerobics exposed to the elements. Seems hypocritical to fight against a dome. 

Do you think I'm old or something?

Z

2 hours ago, Orion said:

LOL....Then sitting outside in shitty weather is for dummies.    

Well I guess every fan that has ever attended a cold weather football game in Cleveland is a dummy. And the Tribe too, for that matter. We could always bastardize the game by adding a roof and artificial turf, and still get the same attendance numbers.

Football revenue comes from TV. You can set the thermostat in your cozy living room to whatever you want.  If you want to watch live, then deal with the climate of the city you live in, because football is an outdoor sport played in Fall & Winter, always has been.

Z

10 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

I definitely care more about what other team's fans think of us than what option can do the most economic good for the city where I live... 

Nothing manlier than caring about what other people think

You live in Cleveland?

I figured you lived in some lesbian commune.

Z

3 hours ago, mjp28 said:

- So after 112 replies and 1,600+ views has anything been decided  on the BROWNS and a dome?

I thought so.      

Yes. Domes are for pussies.

If you want to be the first team in the AFC North to play indoors on turf you would make us even a bigger laughingstock in the division.

I didn't know that was possible.

Z

6 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

What a stupid show around "toughness", "men being men" "back in my day" etc

 

A domed (or retractable roof) stadium that can be used year round is clearly better for the city. In terms of Browns game attendance and the ability to actually use it additional months in the year. 

 

It's an open and shut, no pun intended, case

 

 

 

"Well ded teaks are blah blah blah in the playoffs!".... How many times have we even MADE the playoffs since the team returned??? Shit

If you think we are missing the playoffs because we don't have a dome, you are clearly retarded. 

Z

5 hours ago, ballpeen said:

Domes also provide a great home field advantage.  

 

Fans provide home field advantage, not weather.  Weather hurts home field advantage.  Noise level drops significantly in outdoor conditions, and when it gets cold, people just don't make as much noise with mufflers on their hands and covering their face.

 

Let's get over the goofy notion that outdoor stadiums and bad weather provide some advantage.  They don't.

That percentage of Dome teams on the road in the playoffs... .244 ... is an actual stat, I didn't just make that up.

Overall, road teams are .413 ... big statistical difference.

Z

Let's go!

Z

Football is meant to be played outdoors, on grass, in the elements.

Fans that wish to watch their their hometown team play live can purchase tickets in heated/ air-conditioned boxes, or dress appropriately and face the elements that their city lives in.

Any other answer is homosexual in nature.

There are no dome teams left with a month to go because domes tend to pussify teams.

Z

7 hours ago, hoorta said:

I assume you're referring to me Orion...   I don't climb mountains like a billy goat any longer.   I will freely admit to being an outlier in fandom, when you go camping in -5 weather to see if your -20 sleeping bag is all that it's cracked up to be.   And FWIW, the really miserable NFL games are outliers. The Bills- Dolphins  or the Bungles- Ratbird game Sunday night are Exhibits A, and you want to bet me that the stands in 30 degree (or colder) weather won't be full?    

PS, I don't know if this picture will show up properly, but it's one of my favorites... Nephew Sherpa Joe on the SouthWest Couloir of Middle Teton.     

 

 

Because I've plunked my Season Ticket money down every year since the return in 1999, and sorry- but my 0.02 cents matters.   BTW, Ballpeen has the opposite opinion, and that's fine.   

Correction, and i'm sure it's an oversight on your part Z....  The Seahawks play in an open air stadium.  But Seattle rarely gets extreme weather.  

That's right, Kawks moved our of that dome decades ago, lol.

So it's up to Minnesota to win a road game. Good luck.

Z