dab7291993 Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Their defense is ranked 2nd against the rush because teams have been pass heavy against them throwing for 268 yards a game, which is ranked 28th in the league coming into today. They locked down DMC and Chris Johnson early this season, sure. But at that point both of them were struggling to do anything against air. Stats are stats, but context is better. Their rush defense is about as overrated as our pass defense was last season, teams didn't need to pass because we gave up 134 yards per game on the ground. The truth is, San Diego was 1-3 in their last 4 games coming into today giving up over 20 ppg in each contest. And to be proud that we scored 7 on such an average defense is asinine. And I'm not saying Trent wasn't great today, because he was. I'd rather us win than lose, but I'm not gonna sit here and be satisfied simply because we won. I'm not finding things to complain about, I'm talking about what I saw on the field today. We watched a team beat themselves when we were begging to lose. We were lucky that Meachem dropped a TD pass and we were lucky that Hardesty recovered his own fumble. Am I happy we lucked out? Yes. But we can't ignore that those things happened just because we came out with a win today. You think our coaches are happy with todays performance? No. You think our players feel they could have done much better? Yes. "Go watch the Packers" - What does that mean, exactly? And no one is asking for 80 points a game, we're asking to convert better than 35% of 3rd downs. I'm not mad we only scored 7 points today, I'm mad that our offense got worse as the game progressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 San Diego averaged 25 points a game coming into today and we held them to two field goals. And thats with an offense that had about 5 three in outs and punted like 10 times in a row. Billy Winn and John Hugh's play pretty much the entire game because Rubin and Taylor are out, of course there going to get tired and give up some yards. Get your head out of your ass, that was a hell of a defensive effort. YESSSS....great post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLEVELandMILIDH Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Stats are stats, but context is better. You said it all right there.....we gave up 6 points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 And no one is asking for 80 points a game, we're asking to convert better than 35% of 3rd downs. I'm not mad we only scored 7 points today, I'm mad that our offense got worse as the game progressed. Dude. This is the worst weather the team has played in since the Snow Bowl against Buffalo. This cannot be emphasized enough. In the Steelers/Fins Mud Bowl, 5 years back, the Fins were 25% and the Steelers were 33% on 3rd downs. Neither team lived up to the stat that you offered. The Browns were 26% on 3rd down today. Again, that Steelers team made it to the playoffs that very year. Granted, I am not saying that the Browns are making the playoffs, but what I'm saying is that we are definitely progressing as a team. Look at all the mistakes that happened in our scoring drive (Gordon drops a TD, Weeden overthrows a TD), and we found the end zone in spite of those mistakes. That is progression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Fuck that this win feels great. Few people gave the browns a chance to win and there it is. I don't care if it was seven to six. It did my heart good to see t-rich score again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Their defense is ranked 2nd against the rush because teams have been pass heavy against them throwing for 268 yards a game, which is ranked 28th in the league coming into today. They locked down DMC and Chris Johnson early this season, sure. But at that point both of them were struggling to do anything against air. Stats are stats, but context is better. Their rush defense is about as overrated as our pass defense was last season, teams didn't need to pass because we gave up 134 yards per game on the ground. The truth is, San Diego was 1-3 in their last 4 games coming into today giving up over 20 ppg in each contest. And to be proud that we scored 7 on such an average defense is asinine. And I'm not saying Trent wasn't great today, because he was. I'd rather us win than lose, but I'm not gonna sit here and be satisfied simply because we won. I'm not finding things to complain about, I'm talking about what I saw on the field today. We watched a team beat themselves when we were begging to lose. We were lucky that Meachem dropped a TD pass and we were lucky that Hardesty recovered his own fumble. Am I happy we lucked out? Yes. But we can't ignore that those things happened just because we came out with a win today. You think our coaches are happy with todays performance? No. You think our players feel they could have done much better? Yes. "Go watch the Packers" - What does that mean, exactly? And no one is asking for 80 points a game, we're asking to convert better than 35% of 3rd downs. I'm not mad we only scored 7 points today, I'm mad that our offense got worse as the game progressed. Nobody is asking you to be satisfied. What we're saying is that to complain about the fact that we didn't win this game ourselves is ridiculous. The team who makes the most mistakes is more often than not the one who loses. We have been a team who makes mistakes. We have been a team who doesn't capitalize. We have been a team that has had games all but gift-wrapped for us, only to see us lose in the final minutes. So, to win today is huge. They've also played against Drew Brees, Peyton Manning and Matt Ryan in their last 4 games. Their one win was against a Matt Cassel led Chiefs team. Forgive me if they don't win against QB's who have combined for something like 50 TD's and 15 INT's on the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dab7291993 Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 And in that win they gave up 88 yards and a TD to Jamaal Charles. The other three games the teams they played passed all over them. They're not a good defense, at all. They stop mediocre offenses, sure, but to be given the label of a "good defense" you have to stop good offenses. And I'm just sharing my opinion, the whole "no one asked you to be satisfied" statement is useless. You could say that about anyone's opinion ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 yeah now all you buttfucks who said 3 days ago that they want a domed stadium pleez stand up! yeah, i'll have to make a list just to call out the queefs who love a one point win in an afcn style game because of the weather being such a huge factor but want heated seats, a retractable dome and glory holes in the bathroom stalls. no balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Buffalo Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 And in that win they gave up 88 yards and a TD to Jamaal Charles. The other three games the teams they played passed all over them. They're not a good defense, at all. They stop mediocre offenses, sure, but to be given the label of a "good defense" you have to stop good offenses. And I'm just sharing my opinion, the whole "no one asked you to be satisfied" statement is useless. You could say that about anyone's opinion ever. The reason no one cares about your opinion is because you are asking the team to put up at least a 28 point game where they played in one of the worst weather situations that the team has played in the past decade. There is a reason both Rivers and Weeden only threw for around 150 each. This game came down to being able to run the ball and we did. If they weather had been clear I would agree with you if we won 7-6, but I am impressed with the play we saw with those weather conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 This hurricane is an absolute bitch. I don't see why people are freaking out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonedawg Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Im pretty sure the hurricane rain bands had something to do with it you moron. Not our defense. Stupid cocksucker. I suppose a strong gust of wind went up Buster Skrine's asshole allowing him to make that athletic play batting the ball down to ice the game for us then right? It could have just as easily been 9-7 loss for us. Sure, the D bent, but they didn't break and they came up big when they needed it on a day that not many points were going to be scored by either team. Now you're on here writing whiny bitch-boy posts about "hollow" victories. Again, will all due respect, blow it out your ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gips Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Both teams played an awful game in really bad weather.. A win is a win but it is hard to feel good about this one.. However it does beat the frustrating feeling of losing yet another one in the last minutes of the game due to poor clock management and bad coaching decisions.. Nevertheless we still had both of those shurmur endorsed trademark factors working against the browns on our last offensive drive but still managed to pull this one out.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Shut the fuck up already. Go fucking watch the Packers, asshole. I'm tired of these bitchy posters that find anything to complain over. Our rookie RB came back from a rib injury and gashed the 2nd ranked rush defense for 122 yards and a TD. Our QB, who many have dubbed as an INT machine, threw 0 INT's for the second straight week. It wasn't the best performance, but you have to learn how to win ugly before you can win pretty. We've dropped enough close games this season for this to be something to find inspiration in, yet you want to complain? Oh, Meachem dropped a wide open TD? Boo fucking hoo, pussy. Do you think Colts fans last week were complaining when Gordon dropped a wide open TD? You want 80 points a game? Watch Oregon. And for the record, throwing a season because you want a higher draft pick is an absolute disgrace and even mentioning it shows why you sit at home on Sundays while the real men are on the field. You're a fucking weasel if you toss a season to get a higher draft pick and you deserve the worst form of dick leprosy on that tiny pinprick you wank in your bathroom. Some of you don't deserve a Browns win, you sillynanny fucking queefs. I second that!! I was at the game, with about 30,00 others. Feels great to get a home win, something we haven't done a good job at since 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roach Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 yeah now all you buttfucks who said 3 days ago that they want a domed stadium pleez stand up! i'm standing, along with 45,000 others that were gone by halftime (or didn't show up at all). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsKidd Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 i'm standing, along with 45,000 others that were gone by halftime (or didn't show up at all). I bet Haslam took notice too... And you wonder if that stadium had a roof on it how many seats would have been filled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 i'm standing, along with 45,000 others that were gone by halftime (or didn't show up at all). yeah, sorry mik, money talks. We're getting a roof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfsane Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Dome teams attract more fair weather fans to games. I don't want any part of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 I suppose a strong gust of wind went up Buster Skrine's asshole allowing him to make that athletic play batting the ball down to ice the game for us then right? It could have just as easily been 9-7 loss for us. Sure, the D bent, but they didn't break and they came up big when they needed it on a day that not many points were going to be scored by either team. Now you're on here writing whiny bitch-boy posts about "hollow" victories. Again, will all due respect, blow it out your ass. This is priceless. Thanks for the laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horn of Lake Erie Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Im pretty sure the hurricane rain bands had something to do with it you moron. Not our defense. Stupid cocksucker. I could only imagine how you act in public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 40 degrees, 25 mph wind with gusts up to 60 mph. At that temperature with that wind, it feels like it's below freezing, and instead of snowing, the water remains a liquid which makes you colder and less responsive. The weather was a huge factor in this game. In my opinion, this was the worst weather we've had since the snow bowl against buffalo. In some ways worse. I didn't make that Bills game, but i did make the Chargers game several years earlier...while colder and snow, it was no comparison to how miserable yesterday was. Wet, freezing rain is the only way to describe it....with winds. It was a good win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInNYC Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 The offense played like garbage and SD beat themselves. Our D wasn't anything special. The win feels hollow, nothing positive gained this week and we went down in draft position. Not the great feeling I was hoping for accompanying a win today. Obviously, you have never played team sports or won a scrappy hard fought game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFBF Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 I was there and the weather was WAY WAY WAY worse then it looked on TV. We went into on of the bars at the stadium and watching the game on the TV made it look like a noce autumn day. WHUCH IT WAS NOT. The wind was howling and the rain was coming down sideways. SO to win in those conditions was AWESOME Yeah, I watched from the Seattle area, and only the fact that I spent my early years in the Cleveland area can I appreciate the weather. Even from video I could see some nasty sheets of rain . . . no way to get an impact of the temp/wind chill factor though. Yeah, it was a win (and I'll take it), but I can understand how others felt it was a loss. Draft pick? Is there really anyone worth the #1 pick in the projected players coming out this year (no Luck, no RG III)? My only complaint is it adds to the "keep Shurmur" pile, which I'm sorry to say I'm not for. Have to say I am surprised at this win (as I was with the Indy loss). Statistically, we should have easily lost this one (and won at Indy), so I guess it's a wash. Now the Ravens . . . ouch, that's one (stat wise) that was as ugly as could be, I'll have to go back and revisit some numbers on this one for Sunday. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 The offense played like garbage and SD beat themselves. Our D wasn't anything special. The win feels hollow, nothing positive gained this week and we went down in draft position. Not the great feeling I was hoping for accompanying a win today. I'm sorry, but you're WAY off base. "Nothing positive????" How about a WIN. That is the ONLY important positive about any game. This team battled, and battled, and battled. We showed that we can dominate the line of scrimmage, on both sides of the ball, which is HUGE. If you're just watching Weeden, the secondary, and the WRs then I guess your statements are justified, but take a 2nd look at the Oline and Dline. They played VERY well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roach Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Dome teams attract more fair weather fans to games. I don't want any part of that. Really? What section.do.you sit in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Really? What section.do.you sit in? i can tell you that he wasn't at the game on Sunday since he was in the tavern with the rest of us who weren't at the game either. I would've been there if I was in town....a little cold and rain won't scare me away! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeonman Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 We're not cowboy fans here people. Sack up. We won a game we had to grind out and it was fun as hell to watch. Shurmer made me want to commit suicide a few times with play call, but it was STILL fun to watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Im pretty sure the hurricane rain bands had something to do with it you moron. Not our defense. Stupid cocksucker. It's time for you to stop talking. You're objectively wrong, and have been with every post in this thread. The Browns won, San Diego lost.. and clearly you need to deal with that. Go troll a politics board somewhere. This is a forum for people who are positive about the Browns. Unless you actually support the Browns, it's not "your" defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeonman Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 It's time for you to stop talking. You're objectively wrong, and have been with every post in this thread. The Browns won, San Diego lost.. and clearly you need to deal with that. Go troll a politics board somewhere. This is a forum for people who are positive about the Browns. Unless you actually support the Browns, it's not "your" defense. A little bit of support for our team???? What an idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyceRolls Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 I'd rather us win than lose, but I'm not gonna sit here and be satisfied simply because we won. I'm not finding things to complain about, I'm talking about what I saw on the field today. We watched a team beat themselves when we were begging to lose. We were lucky that Meachem dropped a TD pass and we were lucky that Hardesty recovered his own fumble. Am I happy we lucked out? Yes. But we can't ignore that those things happened just because we came out with a win today. You're missing the point. You're concerning yourself with SD beating themselves, but you should be celebrating the fact that the Browns didn't beat themselves. Have you been watching the Browns this season? The Browns have made plenty of teams "lucky" with dropped TD passes. Which is worse, an ugly win or a 1-7 record? You want the no. 1 overall draft pick? I want to see this team grow together, develop chemistry and learn how to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 Really? What section.do.you sit in? As you know Roach 111. And I'm not under cover either. Never left a game early yet because it was "too cold", "too wet" or "too windy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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