Clevfan4life Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 I would rather these guys build their own team for the long haul rather than shoehorn some misfits in just to win a couple extra meaningless games. If the North is even weaker next year than it has been this year, I still don't want to us ass end it into the playoffs just so we can get utterly demolished in the first round. When we make the playoffs, I want us to be legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 case in point I think that Mangini team we had in 2010 was better than the playoff team a few years ago with DA. We got lucky that year during the reg season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted December 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 case in point I think that Mangini team we had in 2010 was better than the playoff team a few years ago with DA. We got lucky that year during the reg season. [/quote We haven't made the playoffs since '02, I believe. DA never made the playoffs for us. We needed the Colts to beat the Titans in '07 for us to take the wild card, but they sat their starters and Jim Sorgi fucked us. It's why I hate the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 I would rather these guys build their own team for the long haul rather than shoehorn some misfits in just to win a couple extra meaningless games. If the North is even weaker next year than it has been this year, I still don't want to us ass end it into the playoffs just so we can get utterly demolished in the first round. When we make the playoffs, I want us to be legit. I think the AFC North will be stronger, including us but that's just IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml1138 Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 I hope not, because what you're saying then is that the Ravens and Steelers have hit rock bottom this year. I hope the suffering lasts longer than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 I hope not, because what your saying then is that the Ravens and Steelers have hit rock bottom this year. I hope the suffering lasts longer than that.Me too, but I think the ravens bounce back at least. Pittsburgh has some interesting issues of their own though with age, but they always draft well it seems. They're also at the point where they probably need to start grooming a Ben replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted December 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 http://factoryofsadness.sportsblog.com/posts/226190/fourth_quarter_and_red_zone.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 I'm saying that, if this defense doesn't see marked improvement by this time next season, Horton won't have a job. Agree with that... And had the Haden suspension dead wrong... I plead Senior moment. But I still do not see our OLB's being coveted as 3-down players. Of all on our roster I only see Mingo having that potential*, but he's still a season and 10-20 lbs away from realizing that. *Edit: potential for capability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 Bad time of possession by our offense, LBs can't cover anyone in space and no penetration in the 3-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 Again I'd argue the blitz calls are pathetic and leave people wide open. Maybe I don't understand it well enough, but if I'm sending pressure I'm pressing my corners. I'm sure as shit not letting guys sit wide open in a zone scheme. At least five times on third down today we sent pressure and someone was wide open. I get once or twice, but every time? It just doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 ok, i can't sit here and say i watched the game. had to go to a wake of a friend of friend. but before i left for that occasion 2 things were mentioned in the tavern that probably rang true throughout the game. one was the loose zone coverage that we were playing. i personally hate that scheme and think that you have to have some physical play from the line (cbs hitting the WRs) BUT in that time period there were 2 turnovers forced, one for a touchdown. so somethings are going right with this horton defense. BUT anyone who disagrees that we should've never gotten krueger and that we don't need a CB (legit, no miss pick) you are fucking insane. keep the coach. some of these guys gotta go or sit on the bench. as for the offense. unbelievably bad from what i saw. 3 yd pass here. 4 yd pass there. what a fuckin joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 The 2 cb's we start are too small to get in the wr's face at the line. Especially against guys like the Bears have. Haden is 5'11" and 190lbs. Skrine is 5'9" and 185 lbs. Marshall is 6'4" 230 lbs and Jeffery is 6'3" and 215 lbs. Haden never hits the wr at the line. He lines up off him most plays, and when he does lineup right across form him, he bails at the snap. And Skrine does the same thing Maybe that's Horton's scheme. But I would bet if Horton had cb's that are 6'2" 215 lbs, they would jam the wr's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 The 2 cb's we start are too small to get in the wr's face at the line. Especially against guys like the Bears have. Haden is 5'11" and 190lbs. Skrine is 5'9" and 185 lbs. Marshall is 6'4" 230 lbs and Jeffery is 6'3" and 215 lbs. Haden never hits the wr at the line. He lines up off him most plays, and when he does lineup right across form him, he bails at the snap. And Skrine does the same thing Maybe that's Horton's scheme. But I would bet if Horton had cb's that are 6'2" 215 lbs, they would jam the wr's read my rant about corners in the other thread. agree 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 Campbell sucked today, and showed why no one really wants him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted December 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 Campbell sucked today, and showed why no one really wants him. He played well enough to not lose us the game. Our defense folding in the fourth quarter, again, is a key contributor to the loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 Agree with that also. We have many problems unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 Campbell sucked today, and showed why no one really wants him. Yeah he looked terrible, but it was really windy down there. Cutler was missing throws too But you are right, Campbell sucked today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 neither looked as bad as eli manning. another game with 5 ints? he has to have set the record by now. which ponders the question....are the gmen in the QB next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 neither looked as bad as eli manning. another game with 5 ints? he has to have set the record by now. which ponders the question....are the gmen in the QB next year? I would say no, only because of Eli's contract. No one would trade for him and they can't release him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Campbell is a hot and cold passer like Dave Krieg...he blows...Ive been saying that since we signed him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richiswhere Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 I wonder how many more times the Bear could have ran the quick pitch to the left on us before we would have seen it coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDawg31 Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 We need a safety like Palamalu and a LB like Harrison for Hortons D to work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 We need a safety like Palamalu and a LB like Harrison for Hortons D to work As long as it's those guys from 5 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 We need a safety like Palamalu and a LB like Harrison for Hortons D to work Wee need a DC that doesnt live by the soft zone umbrella defense that gave the game away today in the 4th quater...AGAIN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDawg31 Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 So much for Hortons auditioning for HC, who would want to bring that garbage on board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 So much for Hortons auditioning for HC, who would want to bring that garbage on board? Yeah, he's stuck here now. He will get interviews because of the Rooney rule but no one is going to hire him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted December 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 In the two years Horton was in Arizona (2011, 2012), the Cardinals went 13-19 and went to zero playoff games. In the year before and year since (2010, 2013), the Cardinals are 13-16 and with zero playoff appearances. It's like he didn't even exist, to be honest. He made zero mark on that franchise. Obviously not a very fair stat, just something I thought was interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Ray Horton still hasnt figured out how to put a spy on the half back continuing our fine tradition of getting bamboozled by bubble screens and pitch outs..Im sick of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted December 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Ray Horton still hasnt figured out how to put a spy on the half back continuing our fine tradition of getting bamboozled by bubble screens and pitch outs..Im sick of it! It's not that he needs a spy as much as we just need a capable ILB. If Horton is going to bring 5-6, that's going to leave an ILB covering the back. Neither Robertson not DQJ have the coverage skills to do that. We need a sideline to sideline player, once the edges get sealed (which happens routinely with Mingo in), we don't have a player capable of crossing the field to stop stretch runs, off tackle powers, or pitchouts. On one play, I can't remember exactly who it was but one of our CB's got blasted on a block by Jeffery and could not beat the block, which led to a 15+ yard run off tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Ray Horton still hasnt figured out how to put a spy on the half back continuing our fine tradition of getting bamboozled by bubble screens and pitch outs..Im sick of it! We don't have anyone that can do that. All our lb's are slow. They can't cover Te's let alone rb's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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