The Gipper Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 I'm actually a Buckeyes fan because I grew up in Youngstown (the source of my fandom period). I now live in the south hence I'm stuck with the SEC fanfare. While I don't root for SEC teams I acknowledge that a majority of the talent goes to those schools. Doesn't mean that I don't anxiously await the Big Ten's return to power. That is a theory....but if you look at the Pro Bowl rosters, as many or more players in the Pro Bowl actually went to Big Ten or Pac 10 schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 Is this a real argument happening in real life? Shaw can't hold Manziels jock, as you will see soon enough. It is an argument about how Connor Shaw and Johhny Football have similar styles and may complement each other in the Browns offense. Now I am sure the Gamecock honks might see Shaw as the equivalent or superior to JFF, but that is OK, since he is their boy. Obviously not many others see it that way. (but just be aware of my Mike Phipps/Brian Sipe analogy. The meek shall inherit the earth, and it would not be the first time that the lowly undrafted or low drafted guy outshines the big name prospect. Not saying that would happen, but also not discounting the remote possibility....because I have lived through it.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKSG Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 JunkYardDog "Besides the fact, that Shaw outperformed Manziel, and Teddy Twatwater in every catagory of the NFL combine." I wanted to point out that this is false. I used the top 15 QB performers of the 2014 NFL Combine as my population. Combine results: 40yd Dash: Shaw - 4.66 sec, Manziel - 4.68 sec Avg: 4.83 sec, Standard deviation: 0.14 sec Placing Shaw and Manziel within the same standard deviation. Very slight edge: Shaw Vertical Jump: Shaw - 34", Manziel - 31.5" Avg: 30.5", SD: 2.49" Placing Shaw one SD ahead of Manziel Edge: Shaw Broad Jump: Shaw - 9' 8" (116"), Manziel - 9' 5" (113") Avg: 110" (9'2"), SD: 4.23" Placing Shaw one SD ahead of Manziel. Edge: Shaw Three Cone: Shaw - 7.07 sec, Manziel - 6.75 sec Avg: 7.11 sec, SD: 0.21 sec Placing Manziel in one SD ahead of Shaw. Edge: Manziel 20yd Shuttle: Shaw - 4.33 sec, Manziel - 4.03 sec Avg 4.25 sec, SD: 0.09 sec Shaw is -1 on the SD scale and Manziel is greater than 2 on the +SD. The gap between is large. Exceptionally Large Edge: Manziel Tally: Shaw - 2 edges, 1 slight edge. Manziel - 1 edge, 1 very large edge If you skew the data where the avg was the worst performer of the two (Shaw and Manziel) and kept the SD, Shaw and Manziel are within the same SD on 40yd Dash, Broad Jump and Shaw is barely one SD above Manziel on the Vertical. Skewed Tally: Shaw - 2 slight edges, 1 very slight edge. Manziel - 1 edge, 1 very large edge. Two Notes on the 20 yd shuttle: 1. The 20 yd Shuttle is the only time either one of the performers dropped below the Avg. 2. Manziel is the 2nd fastest QB since 2006 (Matt Scott, 2013, 3.99 sec), no info before 2006 P.S. Teddy Twatwater beat Shaw at the 20yd Shuttle (4.2 sec) TLDR: Shaw did not outperform Manziel in the draft. Edit: Corrected 40yd Dash times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketheaggie Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 The good news is... both of the rookie qb's are better than colt mccoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 JunkYardDog "Besides the fact, that Shaw outperformed Manziel, and Teddy Twatwater in every catagory of the NFL combine." I wanted to point out that this is false. I used the top 15 QB performers of the 2014 NFL Combine as my population. Combine results: 40yd Dash: Shaw - 4.36 sec, Manziel - 4.38 sec Avg: 4.83 sec, Standard deviation: 0.14 sec Placing Shaw and Manziel within the same standard deviation. Very slight edge: Shaw Vertical Jump: Shaw - 34", Manziel - 31.5" Avg: 30.5", SD: 2.49" Placing Shaw one SD ahead of Manziel Edge: Shaw Broad Jump: Shaw - 9' 8" (116"), Manziel - 9' 5" (113") Avg: 110" (9'2"), SD: 4.23" Placing Shaw one SD ahead of Manziel. Edge: Shaw Three Cone: Shaw - 7.07 sec, Manziel - 6.75 sec Avg: 7.11 sec, SD: 0.21 sec Placing Manziel in one SD ahead of Shaw. Edge: Manziel 20yd Shuttle: Shaw - 4.33 sec, Manziel - 4.03 sec Avg 4.25 sec, SD: 0.09 sec Shaw is -1 on the SD scale and Manziel is greater than 2 on the +SD. The gap between is large. Exceptionally Large Edge: Manziel Tally: Shaw - 2 edges, 1 slight edge. Manziel - 1 edge, 1 very large edge If you skew the data where the avg was the worst performer of the two (Shaw and Manziel) and kept the SD, Shaw and Manziel are within the same SD on 40yd Dash, Broad Jump and Shaw is barely one SD above Manziel on the Vertical. Skewed Tally: Shaw - 2 slight edges, 1 very slight edge. Manziel - 1 edge, 1 very large edge. Two Notes on the 20 yd shuttle: 1. The 20 yd Shuttle is the only time either one of the performers dropped below the Avg. 2. Manziel is the 2nd fastest QB since 2006 (Matt Scott, 2013, 3.99 sec), no info before 2006 P.S. Teddy Twatwater beat Shaw at the 20yd Shuttle (4.2 sec) TLDR: Shaw did not outperform Manziel in the draft. Are you sure about those 40 times? I was pretty sure that Manziel ran 4.68 and Shaw ran 4.66. Either way, points stands that they're about the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKSG Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Thanks for pointing it out . I used the correct times for my dataset, yet I have no idea how I gave them both wrong 40 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambridgeho Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Dont rememeber, but does the Shanny Offense have the triple option in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 I don't see where Chutzpah showed up in any of those measurements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamecock Frog Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-1/Connor-Shaw%E2%80%99s-first-week-as-a-Brown/0400a880-82dc-4f19-b245-3ebf4f74a368 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-1/Connor-Shaw%E2%80%99s-first-week-as-a-Brown/0400a880-82dc-4f19-b245-3ebf4f74a368 Good read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 Some Chic-fil-a somewhere down south just exploded. Are you saying that the Chic-fil-A corporation doesn't condone the gay lifestyle? I don't know about that, but, the do make a good Chicken sandwich. Fantastic sandwich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 Funniest thing I've read here this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 He fits the character, the work ethic, the toughness.. he's a *football player* who loves the game.. super competitive...He's smart, and was very successful. Don't be surprised if he hangs on with the Browns as an UDFA qb. http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-1/Connor-Shaw%E2%80%99s-first-week-as-a-Brown/0400a880-82dc-4f19-b245-3ebf4f74a368 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambridgeho Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 Always liked the kid when I lived in the South watching his games. The kid has grit. He is obviously a work in progress, but like all players, this guy needs time to develope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 It's easy, even preferable, to go with the QB depth of Hoyer/Manziel/Shaw now. It'll get harder to go with such inexperience the closer we get to opening day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetsGetThiggyWithIt Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 The QB depth for week one 1 should be Manziel, Thigpen, and Shaw. Hoyer needs to be released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 The QB depth for week one 1 should be Manziel, Thigpen, and Shaw. Hoyer needs to be released. This isn't a comedy board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 The QB depth for week one 1 should be Manziel, Thigpen, and Shaw. Hoyer needs to be released. This isn't a comedy board. Or a most moronic thing said wins a prize board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 Or a most moronic thing said wins a prize board. We don't have enough prizes for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 The QB depth for week one 1 should be Manziel, Thigpen, and Shaw. Hoyer needs to be released. HAHA!! Or a most moronic thing said wins a prize board. HAHAHAHAHA!!! We don't have enough prizes for that. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 HAHA!! HAHAHAHAHA!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Well, mik finally snapped. It was bound to happen. Someone want to call social services? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetsGetThiggyWithIt Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 thigga what? thigga who? thigga please... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Well, mik finally snapped. It was bound to happen. Someone want to call social services? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTL Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Reading this board I can't help but wonder... How can you guys be so optimistic about a about a guy who had -250 yards in rushing in college, who is 6 years older and coming off knee surgery? I guess the objective is to never have second chance plays? Being mobile is one thing, being a concrete footed statue is another. I don't see the logic here. Investing in a old statue that isn't worth a 5th round draft pick in a trade isn't smart, but I guess he's your anti- Manziel horse. Ok. Good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 There's an anti Conner Shaw contingent? Hes a fourth string undrafted rookie. Whatever. No like we are planning on starting him against Pittsburgh opening day. Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTL Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Zom, I was talking about Hoyer, apologies, should have directly said that. Personally I think shaw as a backup in a Manziel led team is best. Dress out 3 qb's. I like the shaw signing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 The QB depth for week one 1 should be Manziel, Thigpen, and Shaw. Hoyer needs to be released. Short of you actually being Thigpen you must just be a dumbass. Greatest board advice you will ever get................................with only 5 posts create a new user name and start over you have destroyed any credibility this one would ever have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Short of you actually being Thigpen you must just be a dumbass. Greatest board advice you will ever get................................with only 5 posts create a new user name and start over you have destroyed any credibility this one would ever have. I have many most posts than you and and I agree with his post. Should I quit, too? You know what would be a cool concept? Having the three best QB's that give us the best chance of winning on the opening roster. No politics, no favorites. Just football. On paper, Hoyer isn't one of them. It remains to be seen how it plays out through OTA's and training camp but, in a perfect world, each of them should have the exact same chance of making it. Alas, it's not a perfect world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Zom, I was talking about Hoyer, apologies, should have directly said that. Personally I think shaw as a backup in a Manziel led team is best. Dress out 3 qb's. I like the shaw signing Oh ok, I thought shaw was pretty mobile, but it's Hoyer you hate. He's not concrete footed, did you watch the games last year, or are you just some SEC gayboy Newb? He played well against NFL defenses last year, not Mississippi St. And he has Drew Brees measurables, if nothing else I think we have found a long term #2. Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTL Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 I looked at his stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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