BrownsKidd Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 http://news.yahoo.com/two-men-girl-human-shield-until-her-father-040007545.html Criminals use girl as human shield, then are gunned down by family member with gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Here's one story about guns saving a life! Ta-da! Guns and safety are interchangeable now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Meanwhile another school shooting yesterday. Good thing schools are gun free zones right? And you Retards don't send your 14 year old to school with a gun? Pfft. MY kids have gone to school with a gun since kindergarten. http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/10/justice/oregon-high-school-shooting/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsKidd Posted June 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 And we don't care about the girl who was being used as a human shield and her safety. So we deflect the argument. Point is, you take guns away from legally allowed citizens, and no telling what happens to this girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Dude. Guns can be used to save lives. No doubt. But the lives saved vs the lives brutally snuffed out is not what you'd call a close contest. Do you really feel like it is? If you do I suppose there's nothing more for us to talk about for you are delusional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 oh, boy, does this mean I can start posting all those stories from the NRA again? there's a whole lot of em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 From http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,152446,00.html: In a 1986 study called "Protection or Peril?," Dr. Arthur Kellermann, a University of Tennessee professor of medicine, and Dr. Donald Reay, chief medical examiner of King County in Washington, concluded that for each defensive, justifiable homicide there were 43 murders, suicides or accidental deaths. Out of 398 gunshot fatalities in homes in King County between 1978 and 1983, only nine were motivated by self- defense. The one-week survey by TIME found a similar ratio on a national basis: only 14 of the 464 gun deaths resulted from defensive firing. An alarming 216 were suicides, 22 were accidental, and many of the rest involved homicides among people who knew each other well rather than citizens gunned down by strangers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 From http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,152446,00.html: In a 1986 study called "Protection or Peril?," Dr. Arthur Kellermann, a University of Tennessee professor of medicine, and Dr. Donald Reay, chief medical examiner of King County in Washington, concluded that for each defensive, justifiable homicide there were 43 murders, suicides or accidental deaths. Out of 398 gunshot fatalities in homes in King County between 1978 and 1983, only nine were motivated by self- defense. The one-week survey by TIME found a similar ratio on a national basis: only 14 of the 464 gun deaths resulted from defensive firing. An alarming 216 were suicides, 22 were accidental, and many of the rest involved homicides among people who knew each other well rather than citizens gunned down by strangers. You forgot the most important part of those stories which invalidates them once and for all. Ready for it? They're...LIBERALS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 A defensive gun use doesn't require the perpetrator be killed in self-defense. In fact that's the best kind. Draw & diffuse the situation. Escalate if needed. Draw & diffuse scenarios are vastly under reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Interesting. One particular country in the whole U.S.A. That's like the tree ring farce over mmgw. Cherry picking is the only way leftiies can try to make their emotional points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 "The great masses of the people will more easily fall victim to a great lie than to a small one." --Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 So, Cysko, you want me to post a couple of hundred listings from the NRA's "Armed Citizen" reports? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Go ahead you're going to anyway. If I cared to respond to you I could post 1000x as many stories in which guns were used as offensive murder weapons. Statistics are what they are and there's no arguing with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Interesting. One particular country in the whole U.S.A. That's like the tree ring farce over mmgw. Cherry picking is the only way leftiies can try to make their emotional points. The TIME poll, which agreed with Kellerman's data, was taken on a national level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Good. So we agree to not make these generalized, flame on assumptions on controversial subjects? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Time magazine? You are kidding, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Yeah I'm sure ilovegunssavelivesshutupliberalpoopyheadlalalaicanthearyou.com is a more impartial source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Maybe, but I tried to google it, and it didn't come up. That's for the lead, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 What about the school stabbings that have occurred? Let's ban all knives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Time magazine? You are kidding, right? Perhaps you'd prefer statistics from the Violence Policy Center: "A new paper from the Violence Policy Center states that “for the five-year period 2007 through 2011, the total number of self-protective behaviors involving a firearm by victims of attempted or completed violent crimes or property crimes totaled only 338,700.” That comes to an annual average of 67,740 — not nothing, but nowhere near the N.R.A.’s 2 million or 2.5 million. The V.P.C. also found that in 2010 “there were only 230 justifiable homicides involving a private citizen using a firearm” reported to the F.B.I.’s Uniform Crime Reporting Program. Compare that with the number of criminal gun homicides in the same year: 8,275. (That’s not counting gun suicides or unintentional shootings.)" Or perhaps only the loftiest of institutions such as Harvard meet your standards: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use/ 1. Across states, more guns = more unintentional firearm deaths We analyzed data for 50 states over 19 years to investigate the relationship between gun prevalence and accidental gun deaths across different age groups. For every age group, where there are more guns there are more accidental deaths. The mortality rate was 7 times higher in the four states with the most guns compared to the four states with the fewest guns. Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. Firearm availability and unintentional firearm deaths. Accident Analysis and Prevention. 2001; 33:477-84. 2. Across states, unsafe gun storage = more unintentional firearm deaths We analyzed data from the 2002 Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System that asked questions about guns and gun storage in the home, combined with information on deaths from the National Center for Health Statistics. Across states, both firearm prevalence AND questionable storage practices (i.e. storing firearms loaded and unlocked) were associated with higher rates of unintentional firearm deaths. Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David; Vriniotis, Mary. Firearm storage practices and rates of unintentional firearm deaths in the United States. Accident Analysis and Prevention. 2005; 37:661-67. 3. Youth killed in gun accidents are shot by other youth The majority of people killed in firearm accidents are under age 24, and most of these young people are being shot by someone else, usually someone their own age. The shooter is typically a friend or family member, often an older brother. By contrast, older adults are at far lower risk of accidental firearm death, and most often are shooting themselves. This article highlights one of the many benefits of the National Violent Death Reporting System. Before the NVDRS, data on the shooter in unintentional gun deaths were not readily available Hemenway, David; Barber, Catherine; Miller, Matthew. Unintentional firearm deaths: a comparison of other-inflicted and self-inflicted shootings. Accident Analysis & Prevention.2010; 42:1184-8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 What about the school stabbings that have occurred? Let's ban all knives. When people make this argument, do they honestly believe a person with a knife is capable of killing the same number of people in a minute as a person with a gun? Do we honestly think Adam Lanza would've killed 26 people with a knife? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 That's the argument I am amazed still gets used Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Well, then. I repost my question. going with that, a murderer in a gun free zone church, could lock the doors and kill hundreds of people inside..... no gun could even begin to do that. Change your line of thought? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Well, then. I repost my question. going with that, a murderer in a gun free zone church, could lock the doors and kill hundreds of people inside..... no gun could even begin to do that. Change your line of thought? I assume you mean with a knife? Maybe if this were a Zack Snyder movie, otherwise I'd expect several of those hundred people to overwhelm the knife-wielder and incapacitate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 He's saying if someone locked up a church, put gasoline everywhere, and then light it on fire... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 What if someone collected 500,000 ion type smoke detectors and made a dirty bomb? What if someone turned vicious coyotes loose on a day care? What if a trucker ran onto the sidewalk in new york? These are questions that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 He's saying if someone locked up a church, put gasoline everywhere, and then light it on fire... And none of the 100 people noticed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Goddamn, I am an avid gun user and I end up siding with those who want gun restrictions in this thread because Cal uses Retarded logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Goddamn, I am an avid gun user and I end up siding with those who want gun restrictions in this thread because Cal uses Retarded logic. He must think logic is for squares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 He must think logic is for squares. Alanis Morissette would write a song about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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