Zombo Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 It took Manning four years to win an SEC championship. It also took him four years to throw for 11k yards. Johnny had 8k in two years. And if Johnny were three inches taller he'd been the first pick of the draft, no question. As it is, he's still the shortest qb taken in the first round in sixty years. Oh yeah, and he's also the first freshman to ever win a heisman, which I heard is also a pretty big deal. Thanks for chirping in but the original statement was that Manning did not accomplish anything close to Manziel at age 21. Here's Manning at age 21: http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/peyton-manning-1.html Here's Manziel at age 21 http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/johnny-manziel-1.html I think you do, indeed, have to say Manning was "close" if you favor Manziel Both of their entire college careers were completed when they were 21. Manning turned 22 right before he was drafted, while Johnny turns 22 in December, so he can certainly add to his accomplishments if he can beat out an NFL journeyman and start racking up some NFL history. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 But when it is all you have... Since the Heisman has become more of a QB award, 13 of the last 14 were QBs, an unprecedented period, the Heisman QB HOFer count is bound to change rapidly. Name any one that right now has a chance to become a HOFer? No one, as I documented above. If rapid change comes it won't come very rapidly....as in any time soon. There will not be a Heisman winning QB make the HOF for at least another 15 years. Like I said, the guys with some potential: Newton, RGIII, JFF....have practically their entire careers ahead of them.....then they will have another 5 year wait. That is not to say that there won't be QBs inducted. Many will be......none of which though who won the Heisman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 Name any one that right now has a chance to become a HOFer? No one, as I documented above. If rapid change comes it won't come very rapidly....as in any time soon. There will not be a Heisman winning QB make the HOF for at least another 15 years. Like I said, the guys with some potential: Newton, RGIII, JFF....have practically their entire careers ahead of them.....then they will have another 5 year wait. That is not to say that there won't be QBs inducted. Many will be......none of which though who won the Heisman. Not a matter of being able to pick one now. As long as the Heisman continues its QB-fest, it's just numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 Not a matter of being able to pick one now. As long as the Heisman continues its QB-fest, it's just numbers. Not denying that........unless they keep picking the Matt Leinert's, Jason Whites, Eric Crouches. I mean how do we know right now, really, if Cam is not going to be another Leinert....or the JFF will be Jason White....or the RGIII won't be ERic Crouch? (well I think at this point Cam and RG have already far surpassed those other guys) But it will still be 15 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 But it will still be 15 years. And may we still be here to see it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 And may we still be here to see it... It really isn't that important to me.....I figure that there will be any number of other non-Heisman winning QBs going into the HOF before any of the Heisman guys: Favre Brees Brady Peyton Warner Rodgers Roethlisberger /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ McNabb....not Eli.....if he won one more he could not be kept out Rivers...no Romo....no anyone else at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco918 Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Not denying that........unless they keep picking the Matt Leinert's, Jason Whites, Eric Crouches. I mean how do we know right now, really, if Cam is not going to be another Leinert....or the JFF will be Jason White....or the RGIII won't be ERic Crouch? (well I think at this point Cam and RG have already far surpassed those other guys) But it will still be 15 years. Hey now Jason White would've been, at the very least, decent in the NFL if he had any cartilage in his knees by the time he made the jump, hence him going undrafted. Crouch was never going to make it as an NFL QB as Nebraska was still running the option at that point. Didn't he try to make a switch to WR? Sorry gotta stick up for the Big 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Hey now Jason White would've been, at the very least, decent in the NFL if he had any cartilage in his knees by the time he made the jump, hence him going undrafted. Crouch was never going to make it as an NFL QB as Nebraska was still running the option at that point. Didn't he try to make a switch to WR? Sorry gotta stick up for the Big 12. Name some decent Pro QBs that the Big 12 has produced. And, Uhh, no, sorry, Brandon Weeden and Colt McCoy don't fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 can't blame a guy for sticking up for his fave team/conference. thank goodness ohio state has a tv contract or wouldn't see them at all. all i get here is big east (ha!), acc (double HA!) and plenty of sec. all the standout QBs i've seen of late are out west except for winston but i think that dude is so flaky.....looks like a nibbler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco918 Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 Name some decent Pro QBs that the Big 12 has produced. And, Uhh, no, sorry, Brandon Weeden and Colt McCoy don't fit. Gipper we've had this conversation before. The Big 12 was a traditionally option conference until just before the turn of the century. Crouch won the Heisman running the option. All of our current QB talent is just now, or has recently entered the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowburn Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 thank goodness ohio state has a tv contract or wouldn't see them at all. all i get here is big east (ha!), acc (double HA!) and plenty of sec. ACC is becoming a decent football watch with the addition of Louisville and others. Notre Dame has signed up to play 5 ACC games per season although they are not eligible for league championship games. Atlantic Division poll Florida State – 780 (104 first place votes) Clemson – 660 (3) Louisville – 564 Syracuse - 368 North Carolina State – 326 Boston College – 301 Wake Forest – 136 Coastal Division poll Miami – 614 (26) Duke – 597 (33) Virginia Tech – 571 (23) North Carolina – 570 (27) Georgia Tech – 322 (1) Pittsburgh - 319 (2) Virginia – 142 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 wow. i forgot how many teams have switched confs. for the exception of a couple of teams it used to be terrible to watch. IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 Hey now Jason White would've been, at the very least, decent in the NFL if he had any cartilage in his knees by the time he made the jump, hence him going undrafted. Crouch was never going to make it as an NFL QB as Nebraska was still running the option at that point. Didn't he try to make a switch to WR? Sorry gotta stick up for the Big 12. Crouch switched to safety, and he made it for a couple years before going to Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 Gipper we've had this conversation before. The Big 12 was a traditionally option conference until just before the turn of the century. Crouch won the Heisman running the option. All of our current QB talent is just now, or has recently entered the league. I know that, I am just asking for some Big 12 QBs that have been successful in the NFL. RGIII looked good to start, what about to finish? Do you consider JFF a Big 12 guy? Or SEC. Tannehill is still unproven. The QB from the Big 12 that is active that has the most career TDs is Josh Freeman...and he has failed at a couple of places. The active Big 12 QB with the most career TD passes is Andy Dalton Neither of these guys are going to be on anyone's list of la creme de la creme. Fair to say? But maybe some hope with RGIII, Tannehill, Bradford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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