thenew23 Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 As of today (2/19/15), the Cleveland Browns' depth chart including ONLY players under contract for 2015:QB - Manziel / ShawRB - Crowell / West / WinstonFB -WR1 - Benjamin / R.Smith / ConeWR2 - Hawkins / Gabriel / BatesTE - Barnidge / DrayLT - Thomas / BowieLG - Bitonio / BartonC - Mack / McDonald / CaveRG - Greco / PainterRT - Schwartz / A.McDonaldRDE - Taylor / A.Bryant / MederDT - Hughes / BarnettLDE - D.Bryant / Winn / McDaniel / TupouROLB - Kruger / PoughILB1- Dansby / EubanksILB2 - Kirksey / CarderLOLB - Mingo / SolomonCB1 - Haden / Nelson / JamesCB2 - Desir / Gilbert / PoyerCBS - Williams / SonieFS - PellerinSS - WhitnerK - Hartley / Spear / CoonsP -LS - Yount / HughlettI'll try to keep this up-to-date as best I can... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opal312 Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 Why did TJ Ward leave? I never found out. Anyway I quess we start at DT, Wide Receiver, Center. Is Ryan Seymour better than McDonald? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 TJ Ward wanted a bunch of money, they parted. It was a win-win for him and the Browns IMO. The Browns lead the league in INTs, Ward wasn't the greatest in pass coverage, but is great against the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted December 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 Our Free Agents: Restricted Free Agents A.Smith TE Seymour C/G Kitchen DT Robertson ILB Gipson FS Bademosi S Lanning P Unrestricted Free Agents Hoyer QB Thigpen QB Draughn RB Austin WR Moore WR Cameron TE Rubin DT Fua DE Diles ILB Sheard OLB Skrine CB Leonhard FS Who comes back? (I bolded some of the more notable FAs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 Our Free Agents: Practice Squad (Can be signed to Futures Contract) Shaw QB Bates WR / Cone WR Barton OG / Cave C Barnett DT / Meder DE / McDaniel DE / Tupou DT Pough OLB James CB Restricted Free Agents A.McDonald OT Kitchen DT Robertson ILB Gipson FS Bademosi S Lanning P Unrestricted Free Agents Hoyer QB Draughn RB Austin WR Moore WR Cameron TE R.Taylor TE Seymour OG/C Rubin DT Fua DE Sheard OLB Skrine CB Leonhard FS Hartley K Who comes back? (I bolded some of the more notable FAs) Hopefully we keep Leonard, Gipson, Skrine, Rubin, Hoyer, Robertson. I liked Kitchen before the season, but he's played like a dud. I think we can get someone more suited to scheme than sheard and he can go somewhere more suited to him. No strong opinion on the others, but our #2 G/C should not be named McDonald or Seymour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted December 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 They'll have to sign Shaw if he is going to play this week, so there's one move. I also liked Barnett off the PS. All the RFAs should come back, but we'll have to tender Gipson I'd like to see Hoyer back, with another shot to be the starter (which he'll probably win) Also, re-sign Austin, Cameron, Skrine, and Leonhard There's 13 more to add, but still leaves plenty of room to improve... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 Our Free Agents: Practice Squad (Can be signed to Futures Contract) Shaw QB Bates WR / Cone WR Barton OG / Cave C Barnett DT / Meder DE / McDaniel DE / Tupou DT Pough OLB James CB Restricted Free Agents A.McDonald OT Kitchen DT Robertson ILB Gipson FS Bademosi S Lanning P Unrestricted Free Agents Hoyer QB Draughn RB Austin WR Moore WR Cameron TE R.Taylor TE Seymour OG/C Rubin DT Fua DE Sheard OLB Skrine CB Leonhard FS Hartley K Who comes back? (I bolded some of the more notable FAs) On the PS, Shaw... elevated, might go back. Barnett and McDaniel will stay. One of them possibly even signed to the active roster. As for the second list, I anticipate all of what you have bold save for Rub. He'll be a contract casualty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 Why did TJ Ward leave? I never found out. Told you before... rings. Too soon for the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 Well... it's about that time to start looking at next year's squad. I know we have a long offseason to suffer through, but there has to be a starting point... Here it is: As of today (12/23/14), the Cleveland Browns' depth chart including ONLY players under contract for 2015 and beyond: QB - Manziel RB - Crowell / West / Winston FB - WR1 - Gordon / Benjamin / R.Smith WR2 - Hawkins / Gabriel LT - Thomas / Bowie LG - Bitonio C - Mack / McDonald RG - Greco / Painter RT - Schwartz / McQuistan RDE - Taylor / Hughes / A.Bryant DT - LDE - D.Bryant / Winn ROLB - Kruger / Martin ILB1- Dansby / Eubanks ILB2 - Kirksey / Carder LOLB - Mingo / Solomon CB1 - Haden / Nelson CB2 - Desir / Gilbert CBS - Williams FS - SS - Whitner K - P - LS - Yount What are some of your thoughts on this group? Where are the biggest strengths/weaknesses? What are the priority needs? This is only 38 players, so we will add 52 by training camp: First up are the futures contracts and then re-signing our FAs... Speculate away!!!! You forgot TEs, I assume Barnridge and Dray are under contract, not sure about Barnridge. Practice Squad (Can be signed to Futures Contract) Shaw QB Bates WR / Cone WR Barton OG / Cave C Barnett DT / Meder DE / McDaniel DE / Tupou DT Pough OLB James CB Hard to say, but if we have the same offensive staff, they would probably want to keep developing Shaw. Cave must be raw if he never made the roster with McDonald and Seymour playing C. Restricted Free Agents A.McDonald OT Kitchen DT Robertson ILB Gipson FS Bademosi S Lanning P Gipson will be signed. Lanning and Bademosi were valuable special teamers this year, they will be offered contracts. I thought Robertson played well, I would think we'll keep him. I think Kitchen just got injured and we'll be drafting DL, so we'll see what develops there. McDonald, I assume they just signed him for a reason. We need tackle depth, have been fortunate that the starters play every snap every year. Unrestricted Free Agents Hoyer QB GONE Draughn RB Prob Gone Austin WR Prob Gone Moore WR Prob Gone (show some prowess on st coverage though) Cameron TE Prob Gone R.Taylor TE Whatever Seymour OG/C Re-sign for depth Rubin DT Gone Fua DE Whatever Sheard OLB Gone Skrine CB Re-sign hopefully Leonhard FS Bring him back for a year Hartley K Gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted December 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 You forgot TEs, I assume Barnridge and Dray are under contract, not sure about Barnridge. Correct. I updated the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 Why did TJ Ward leave? I never found out. Anyway I quess we start at DT, Wide Receiver, Center. Is Ryan Seymour better than McDonald? Tony Grossi mentioned this several times. He said that according TJ Ward the Banner/Lombardi regime never made him a contract offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 Leonard talked like he is retiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted December 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 QB - Manziel Manziel has proven nothing. We need a veteran QB and a 3rd QB option... maybe bring back Hoyer and Shaw, or a FA and draft pick RB - Crowell / West / Winston This is a promising group. I'm sure we'll bring in some young UDFA competition FB - Not sure what we're looking for with this position, but we should probably just find a H-back (TE/FB Hybrid) type WR1 - Gordon / Benjamin / R.Smith WR2 - Hawkins / Gabriel This group needs to get better. Bring back Austin, or some other veteran WR, and add talent in the draft TE - Barnidge / Dray How can we not re-sign Cameron? LT - Thomas / Bowie Not too worried about Thomas, or who plays behind him... (said the same thing about Mack oops) LG - Bitonio Rock solid C - Mack / McDonald Mack comes back healthy... solid RG - Greco / Painter Greco's good with Mack playing next to him, but bringing in some competition wouldn't hurt RT - Schwartz / McQuistan Schwartz has played admirably all season. Could use some depth behind him RDE - Taylor / Hughes / A.Bryant DT - We have NO true 3-4 interior DT. This was evident by our lack of run D. Fix this problem, fix the run D. Using a 1st round pick at this position seems obvious LDE - D.Bryant / Winn If our group of DEs can stay healthy, they are set ROLB - Kruger / Martin ILB1- Dansby / Eubanks ILB2 - Kirksey / Carder Our ILB group is pretty solid if we bring back Robertson. Plus, they will all get better in year 2 under Pettine LOLB - Mingo I'm okay with starting Kruger and Mingo, but we need at least 2 more pass-rushers. Could see a 1st - 3rd round pick here CB1 - Haden / Nelson CB2 - Desir / Gilbert CBS - Williams The strength of the team. If he's not too expensive, bring back Skrine and this group continues to dominate. FS - Ummmm... Gipson and Leonhard need to come back SS - Whitner No problem here K - Do we just try to bring back Hartley or do we go searching for a long-term answer P - Bring Lanning back? He got better as the year went on. Finished 23rd in average... not great LS - Yount He got it together. We brought in a PS long-snapper a couple days ago, maybe we have some LS competition next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted December 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 Will try to track off-season moves on the OP... again will try... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDawg31 Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 This is interesting Report: Browns considering pursuing Ndamukong Suhby R.J. White | CBSSports.com (8:59 pm ET) The Browns are considering making a play for impending free-agent defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh, ESPNCleveland.com reports.The Browns are expected to have plenty of cap space with which to work during the offseason and could be willing to give the premium free-agent-to-be the richest contract for a defensive lineman in history, per the report. Suh has racked up 46 total tackles and 8 1/2 sacks in 15 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 This is interesting Report: Browns considering pursuing Ndamukong Suh by R.J. White | CBSSports.com (8:59 pm ET) The Browns are considering making a play for impending free-agent defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh, ESPNCleveland.com reports. The Browns are expected to have plenty of cap space with which to work during the offseason and could be willing to give the premium free-agent-to-be the richest contract for a defensive lineman in history, per the report. Suh has racked up 46 total tackles and 8 1/2 sacks in 15 games. No doubt Suh is great- but that contract is going to be a Cap killer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 No doubt Suh is great- but that contract is going to be a Cap killer. and i doubt if he's pettine's cup of tea. 'play like a brown'. not like a clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyceRolls Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 pfft, ask Dan Snyder how those mega free agent contracts work out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 pfft, ask Dan Snyder how those mega free agent contracts work out... Or trading away three first round picks and a second for an unproven qb like RG III. I already am having nightmares about that one- because neither Mariota or Winston are an Andrew Luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyceRolls Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 Or trading away three first round picks and a second for an unproven qb like RG III. I already am having nightmares about that one- because neither Mariota or Winston are an Andrew Luck. I totally agree, I will lose faith in this FO if they sign Suh to a stupid contract or trade away multiple drafts for a questionable QB. If they do both this FO is dead to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDawg31 Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 If they could make it work without breaking the bank, He immediately becomes our best DL. Nobody on this team is even close to his talent. I would put up with a few of his stupid personal fouls to have that talent on the DL. I agree on the DO NOT BREAK THE BANK part. We will be losing a lot on the DL to FA this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 You cant sign him without breaking the bank....he's already making franchise QB money and has said he wants more.....he will end up being the highest paid Defensive player ever and is nowhere worth THAT designation..... I hope we pass..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDawg31 Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 You cant sign him without breaking the bank....he's already making franchise QB money and has said he wants more.....he will end up being the highest paid Defensive player ever and is nowhere worth THAT designation..... I hope we pass..... then i agree PASS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambert_58 Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 You cant sign him without breaking the bank....he's already making franchise QB money and has said he wants more.....he will end up being the highest paid Defensive player ever and is nowhere worth THAT designation..... I hope we pass..... He needs that money to pay for all the fines he accumulates... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 not for nothing...at this point i trust farmer in what ever he does to try and better this team. sign somebody, trade somebody, cut someone........... havn't had this kinda faith in the FO of this franchise in over 30 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 Maybe Maurice Clarett is available, it seems True Browns fans love it when hometown guys are brought in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 not for nothing...at this point i trust farmer in what ever he does to try and better this team. sign somebody, trade somebody, cut someone........... havn't had this kinda faith in the FO of this franchise in over 30 years. We're on the same page here for sure! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcollier19 Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 With this year being pretty weak QB class, it may be ideal to build around Hoyer with Shaw as backup. Manziel seems like a cancer and we should deal him while he still has minimal value. Loved what I saw out of Shaw today considering his lack of line and offensive weapons. I really hope the rumors of Farmer being infatuated with Mariota aren't true because selling the farm for a rookie QB would be the Brownsiest move ever. Especially when we can get an elite WR and DT/DE with our first two picks. Not a lot of talent available as far as free agent QBs go. I like Jake Locker and believe he hasn't really been given a fair shot in Tennessee. He's injury prone but still young and could fit well in Shanny's system. Bryce Petty could be a nice third/fourth round pick. Good arm and size. Plus he can move out of the pocket when necessary. I dunno, it's a mess. But what do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USFBrown Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 Welcome to the board and nice post. I agree with your logic but I think Hoyer is gone. If we can keep Hoyer, I agree we keep Shaw as a backup and develop him. Manziel needs to go, he's poison. We need linemen and general play makers with the high picks, guys who can start day 1. I don't see any QB worth taking in our position. Best to get another young guy, hope we hit gold, and try to develop him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why?!?!? Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 For the love of all things holy, draft some guys who can stop the run. All we need is a little more O-line help and a good receiver who can lay off the bong and we can put up some points with our run game and even a half intelligent QB. You can put your elite QB of choice on the field but if you can't stop the run it really doesn't matter cause your amazing QB won't see the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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