Westside Steve Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Just a hypothetical. Was talking with a buddy a couple of weeks back about this and wondered how you guys felt. The genie makes you an offer. We sign Adrian Peterson, Ray Rice, Ray Lewis and Michael Vick and the Browns will be favored to win the AFC Championship Game. Do you take that deal or do you stand pat? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodilobo Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 I could deal with the woman beater, the child abuser, and the murderer....but not the dog killer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyceRolls Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 I don't think Mike Vick would help the team. The rapist would be better suited for making this team a contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 I don't think Mike Vick would help the team. The rapist would be better suited for making this team a contender.That's wasn't the hypothetical question. Of course there's no such thing as a genie who could make that deal I'm just saying if... Would you take the deal? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 I don't think Mike Vick would help the team. The rapist would be better suited for making this team a contender. Ahhh, which one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 I wouldn't take the deal.....to me, character matters a lot....bottom line is that I dont want to cheer for schmucks (even in Brown & Orange) Consider the distractions, rifts, debates & negative attention we endured this season with JG and JFF, then multiply it many times over..... THAT is what this deal would bring us...... And, with our luck, if we got to the AFC Championship, some of these guys wouldn't even show up because they'd be in jail or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohican Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 I know it's cool to make fun of Mike Vick, but apparenlty he made quite a tranformation in prison, and came out on the other side a better man. Instead of filing chapter 11 when bankrupt, he actually repaid (almost all) of his debts. He could have filed chapter 11 and said FU to his debt holders, but did the right thing. http://acculturated.com/michael-vick-pays-his-debts/ As for AP, while not condoning the "switching", I know several friends that had that type of discipline at home, and they never described themselves as abused, or were abusive to their children. I'm not aghast at AP the way the PC police want us to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyceRolls Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Ahhh, which one? I was talking about Roethlisberger, but now that I think about it Winston would also be a better option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Actually I think Michael Vick is the worst of the four. Torturing animals to death kidnapping peoples pets to murder them while you and your thug buddies jerk off to it is sick. (think about it, if it was your dog tied to a tree while pitbulls tore him apart and Mike Vick and a bunch of drunk punks stood around yapping and laughing like a pack of wild apes) Still the rest are pretty unsavory. I don't hate Adrian Peterson for switching his kid, I've been switched. Still beating a kid to a bloody mess is a little over the line. And I'm sure Rices girlfriend knew what kind of situation she signed on for. And when thugs get together thugs can get shot. But fuck them. Still as much as I enjoy my Cleveland Browns there's a limit as to the kind of people I will cheer for. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Just a hypothetical. Was talking with a buddy a couple of weeks back about this and wondered how you guys felt. The genie makes you an offer. We sign Adrian Peterson, Ray Rice, Ray Lewis and Michael Vick and the Browns will be favored to win the AFC Championship Game. Do you take that deal or do you stand pat? WSS No way. Let's do it our way with our guys. I think forgiveness is in order for these guys, but I wouldn't want them. Ben beats us like a red headed stepchild most years but I am truly glad he is not a Brown, and I mean that when I say it. Not looking for choir boys ... but murder cover-up, rape, dog-killing ... no thanks. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohican Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Barring any further incidents with dog fighting, and based on how he's been since out of prison I will give Vick the benefit of the doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Actually I think Michael Vick is the worst of the four. Torturing animals to death kidnapping peoples pets to murder them while you and your thug buddies jerk off to it is sick. (think about it, if it was your dog tied to a tree while pitbulls tore him apart and Mike Vick and a bunch of drunk punks stood around yapping and laughing like a pack of wild apes) Still the rest are pretty unsavory. I don't hate Adrian Peterson for switching his kid, I've been switched. Still beating a kid to a bloody mess is a little over the line. And I'm sure Rices girlfriend knew what kind of situation she signed on for. And when thugs get together thugs can get shot. But fuck them. Still as much as I enjoy my Cleveland Browns there's a limit as to the kind of people I will cheer for. WSS wait a sec, he kidnapped other people's animals? or was that and your jerk off comment hyperbole? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USFBrown Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 No if all in one package. I don't condone what ap did but he was trying to discipline his kid. The other are just plain scum. Football is a game and entertainment. I don't see myself enjoying rooting for scum. Although we have no impact on the players we get, I'd prefer not to deal with those types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 We sign Adrian Peterson, Ray Rice, Ray Lewis and Michael Vick and the Browns will be favored to win the AFC Championship Game. Do you take that deal or do you stand pat? I do not see all four the same. I do not think "character" is an unchanging, "either you have it or you don't" quality. Two have gone through the criminal process and seem to have emerged as better men. Two are still in embroiled in their failings and I have no idea whether they are as yet, or ever will be, better men. So if the deal all or none... then none. But if I can choose, then I have a new QB and ILB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 wait a sec, he kidnapped other people's animals? or was that and your jerk off comment hyperbole? No. Part of it included kidnapping folks pets (or adopting under shitty pretenses) for training purposes. The jerking off is hyperbole. I have no idea if any of them did anything besides laugh and cheer. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 http://www.chicagonow.com/raining-cats-dogs/2014/03/michael-vick-why-we-shouldnt-let-it-go/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Just a hypothetical. Was talking with a buddy a couple of weeks back about this and wondered how you guys felt. The genie makes you an offer. We sign Adrian Peterson, Ray Rice, Ray Lewis and Michael Vick and the Browns will be favored to win the AFC Championship Game. Do you take that deal or do you stand pat? WSS Why would we need Adrian Peterson and Ray Rice? Or how about including OJ Simpson and Rae Carruth in the mix? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Jeez I really don't think the hypothetical was that hard to understand. Apparently so. at least some of you guys figured it out. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 NO. That doesn't fix our qb situation, and I'm tried of kids trying to look up to players, only to find out they are child beaters, rapists, assaulters, and sick sumbeeches. NO. Because you can't be sure they will even be on the field all season, and you're worse off than before. NO. Next question.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Jeez I really don't think the hypothetical was that hard to understand. Apparently so. WSS The hypothetical is not hard to understand......but the answer(s) to it can be very difficult. You know.....like your favorite test: how much would you charge to swallow my sperm? Easy question, not hard to comprehend at all.....but a very difficult answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Why would we need Adrian Peterson and Ray Rice? Or how about including OJ Simpson and Rae Carruth in the mix? Because I thought I had enough examples to make the point of the hypothetical. I think you might be the only guy that didn't get it. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Because I thought I had enough examples to make the point of the hypothetical. I think you might be the only guy that didn't get it. WSS No, I got the hypothetical. I just don't think that a simple yes/no answer would suffice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 No, I got the hypothetical. I just don't think that a simple yes/no answer would suffice.its a yes or no question. You can answer it yes or no and then pile on a big bunch of other shit if you want to but would you take the deal or not? That's all I asked.WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodilobo Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 I would like to extend an olive branch to Michael Vick. He is welcome to enter my containment pens, unarmed and introduce himself to my animals. If his intentions are such, to make friends, I will even provide a ham hock necklace. I'll gladly clean the pens when he is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Actually I think Michael Vick is the worst of the four. Torturing animals to death kidnapping peoples pets to murder them while you and your thug buddies jerk off to it is sick. I agree.... Anyone who garners pleasure from watching other creatures suffer has a huge...MASSIVE....character flaw.......and a very dark, deep black hole in their heart.... Vick could be lying in the road twitching like roadkill and I wouldn't even slow down.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 man the black south/south raise people differently. peterson was disciplining his kid probably the same way he was disciplined. now using a switch is kinda crazy and hitting his kid in his sack....hopefully that was an accident (you know how those little fuckers squirm around). i used to get beat with a hot wheels track across my ass and legs and if i put up my hands in defense they would get hit. this pc bullshit with time outs and take away johnnie's cell phone is a far cry from what a lot of us went through decades ago. and you wonder why america is now a pussified nation. i'd sign peterson in a heart beat. vick changed his ways but he has nothing left to offer an nfl team. rice and lewis can go suck a dick. talent outweighs everything else IMO but character is a close second and can cancel the talent out if a player acts in such an egregious manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml1138 Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Touchy subject for some people. I really don't want to wade through the mud here (but I guess I will)...some animal lovers have a seriously biased view. From what I've read of over the years I get the feeling some people hate Vick more because of what he did to dogs, where I truly don't think they would hate him as much if he did the same to people. Weird. That being said I agree where a person takes pleasure seeing a dog torn apart by other dogs, or electrocuting them because they underperformed...wow that's effed up. Covering up a murder of a human being? No thanks. I'm with Mik on Peterson. It's an outdated method for sure and shouldn't be done, but at the same time we have become too soft. I'm guilty as charged in using time-out for my three-year old, but these days you can't spank a child without fear of people judging you and maybe even contacting child services. My parents, my mom in particular, used a wooden stick she kept on top of the fridge just for whacking me and my sister with it. In a pinch when she couldn't find that, it was the fly-swatter...you know the ones with the wire handle. I've heard stories about the hot wheels tracks but I never had to deal with that. Or a belt. Rice...immensely dumb move. We all know how our women can drive us absolutely nuts...but you can't hit them, ever. Depending on how he repents only time will tell. If he does it right I think he could be forgiven. I think there is a difference between being a regular woman abuser and making one really really stupid mistake. Again he should've never done it, and he needs to do something like some serious charity work or what have you to redeem himself. To answer the question though...I'd say yes to Peterson and need more time to see how Rice changes before yes to him. No to Vick and Lewis. And if I have to take all or none then I say none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Yeah I'd hate Vick more if he did the same to the same amount of human. That would mean kidnapping people's children and torturing folks to death for fun. Yeah you got me there. That would be worse. But I don't want Idi Amin or Pol Pot as quarterback either. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 if vick did to humans what he did to dogs he be one of the more prolific serial killers in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml1138 Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Yeah I'd hate Vick more if he did the same to the same amount of human. That would mean kidnapping people's children and torturing folks to death for fun. Yeah you got me there. That would be worse. But I don't want Idi Amin or Pol Pot as quarterback either. WSS Obviously he'd be locked up/on death row/executed if he did that. Not sure why the smart ass tone though. Did you read my post right? if vick did to humans what he did to dogs he be one of the more prolific serial killers in history. Indeed. Yeah I don't really get people using that as justification for Dog Killer. The fact is he didn't kill humans and if he had he wouldn't be in the NFL, he would be on Death Row. To flip their justification: Some people act like Dog Killer was flushing Gold Fish down the toilet or smashing spiders on the wall and NOT torturing and massacring hundreds of dogs like a fucking gutless coward. There is that too. I guess my question is then, where should Vick fall between the two extremes? Right where he is today? More or less punishment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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