thenew23 Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 So, we know our defense is going to be pretty good again this coming year but whether we like it or not, we are re-building on offense... yet again. The roster on that side of the ball is "weak" at best and we have nearly an entire new coaching staff which means new system, new players they will covet, etc... Nobody is a DeFilippo expert, and I doubt any of us really know what kind of system he wants to run so let me ask you guys what you might do with this team from a roster and system perspective? Here is our current crop of o-linemen: Tackles - Thomas (LT), Schwartz (RT), McQuistan, A.McDonald, Bowie Guards - Bitonio (LG), Greco (RG), Barton, Painter Centers - Mack ©, McDonald, Hughlett (LS) Is there a weak spot in that starting 5? If so, how much do you invest to improve this line? Not only that, but what kind of blocking scheme fits these guys best? In my opinion, this is a solid group but need a versatile G/T player in case we lose another starter next year... McQuiston is NOT that guy... Here are our "skill position" players: QB - Manziel, Shaw RB - Crowell, West, Winston WR - Hawkins, Gabriel, Benjamin, R.Smith, Bates, Cone TE - Barnidge, Dray OH JEEZ... doesn't that strike fear into opposing defensive coordinators!?!? What the he** do we do about this group to make them legit? Here is where I am totally lost... Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdl15 Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Give West the damn ball. Fuckers keep sitting him cause he boasts they need to give him the ball. Afraid that he's right. T.o boasted he was the talent so give him the ball too. Ya know what he was right and everyone hated him for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Pick up someone like Cecil Shorts and Charles Clay in FA. While using one first round pick on an NT like Shelton or Brown, use the other on a big receiver like Fowler or White. Use the second rounder on an OL that can compete on the right side - the starting 5 are pretty good, but depth is shocking. At QB, fuck knows, but if you have a skill group now looking like: QB - Manziel, Shaw RB - Crowell, West, Winston WR - Shorts, Fowler, Hawkins, Gabriel, Benjamin TE - Clay, Barnidge, Dray Then a solid QB like Hoyer (why the fuck not, the players know and respect him) can give a solid performance. Give time for whoever we decide is the QB of the future - Manziel, Shaw, or someone else - to develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 I would like to see Hoyer get re-signed. He may not be the franchise QB but he could be the bridge until we get one. I am glad to see JM in treatment and maybe we will see a lot better performance from him next season but we don't know yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Here is our current crop of o-linemen: Tackles - Thomas (LT), Schwartz (RT), McQuistan, A.McDonald, Bowie Guards - Bitonio (LG), Greco (RG), Barton, Painter Centers - Mack ©, McDonald, Hughlett (LS) Is there a weak spot in that starting 5? ..I dont see a major weakness in our starting 5 If so, how much do you invest to improve this line? ...I invest a 2nd or 3rd rounder for a Guard, assuming Bito is a great backup at Tackle and Greco is a great back up at center...meaning we need a guard to cover in case one of those 2 have to move over... Not only that, but what kind of blocking scheme fits these guys best? ...we were #1 last year with the ZBS and blasting the run game...I say stay with what works GREAT In my opinion, this is a solid group but need a versatile G/T player in case we lose another starter next year... McQuiston is NOT that guy... Here are our "skill position" players: QB - Manziel, Shaw RB - Crowell, West, Winston WR - Hawkins, Gabriel, Benjamin, R.Smith, Bates, Cone TE - Barnidge, Dray OH JEEZ... doesn't that strike fear into opposing defensive coordinators!?!? What the he** do we do about this group to make them legit? Here is where I am totally lost... Any thoughts?...thoughts?...HA!....The same things weve been discussing all along.....QB & WR are the 2 skill positions that need immediate upgrade.....Id sign Austin and add a deep threat WR to complement the very capable Hawkins. And, of course, the on going QB saga which Ill pass on discussing here cause there are a million other threads already..... Im good with the RB's and TE's, but wouldnt mind a receiving TE project to develop...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Give West the damn ball. Fuckers keep sitting him cause he boasts they need to give him the ball. Afraid that he's right. T.o boasted he was the talent so give him the ball too. Ya know what he was right and everyone hated him for it. West sat because he fumbled, just like Crow did. Boast all you want but when you're a rook with butterfingers, it doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted February 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Pick up someone like Cecil Shorts A Cleveland guy who went to Mount Union. I am liking him as a FA. He could be a solid WR2 in the right system and with a decent QB. He has missed 8 games in 3 years as a starter due to injuries, but when he's played in 3 years he's put up: 174 catches for 2313 yards and 11 TDs which is 58 for 771 and 3.6 TD's per year as a starter... I don't know much about his effort, severity of injuries, etc... I wonder what he might cost in FA?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColumbusKing Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 What is offense? Lol honestly put Shaw at QB, Crow at RB, Dink and Dunk down the field with short crossing routes to Gabe, Bengi, and Hawk, leave the TE in the block. Eat clock and score TD's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 I'm the eternal optimist. I think it was mc shay with his first mock draft with the Browns picking an offensive tackle from Pittsburgh and receiver from Michigan. Upgrade Schwartz perhaps move him inside to guard ? The report also spoke of the receiver playing tight end. Now without much change in the office ants, since we have heard flip praise the zone blocking system, it shouldn't be a huge leap. With a year of experience McDonald should be a satisfactory backup. He got better steadily until he got hurt. As for quarterback? Who cares? Hoyer or any other journeyman should be able to hold down the fort especially with improved O line. I hope johnny is serious and comes into camp ready and eager and abel to play. No we won't have josh gordon. So what up? We didn't have him last year. No change, no difference. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Here is our current crop of o-linemen: Tackles - Thomas (LT), Schwartz (RT), McQuistan, A.McDonald, Bowie Guards - Bitonio (LG), Greco (RG), Barton, Painter Centers - Mack ©, McDonald, Hughlett (LS) Is there a weak spot in that starting 5? ..I dont see a major weakness in our starting 5 If so, how much do you invest to improve this line? ...I invest a 2nd or 3rd rounder for a Guard, assuming Bito is a great backup at Tackle and Greco is a great back up at center...meaning we need a guard to cover in case one of those 2 have to move over... Not only that, but what kind of blocking scheme fits these guys best? ...we were #1 last year with the ZBS and blasting the run game...I say stay with what works GREAT In my opinion, this is a solid group but need a versatile G/T player in case we lose another starter next year... McQuiston is NOT that guy... Here are our "skill position" players: QB - Manziel, Shaw RB - Crowell, West, Winston WR - Hawkins, Gabriel, Benjamin, R.Smith, Bates, Cone TE - Barnidge, Dray OH JEEZ... doesn't that strike fear into opposing defensive coordinators!?!? What the he** do we do about this group to make them legit? Here is where I am totally lost... Any thoughts?...thoughts?...HA!....The same things weve been discussing all along.....QB & WR are the 2 skill positions that need immediate upgrade.....Id sign Austin and add a deep threat WR to complement the very capable Hawkins. And, of course, the on going QB saga which Ill pass on discussing here cause there are a million other threads already..... Im good with the RB's and TE's, but wouldnt mind a receiving TE project to develop...... Not giving you a pass on dodging QB question What would you do? That is the million dollar question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Not giving you a pass on dodging QB question What would you do? That is the million dollar question. No sweat....Id sign Hoyer or another avg veteran(Glennon seems to be flavor of the day)...then draft another one 4-5th round....and keep the best 3 at the end of camp.... "unless" I can get Foles.....then thats my first choice.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 No sweat....Id sign Hoyer or another avg veteran(Glennon seems to be flavor of the day)...then draft another one 4-5th round....and keep the best 3 at the end of camp.... "unless" I can get Foles.....then thats my first choice.... Sounds like a good strategy and I would go with that. I liked a couple of Qb's you posted once, one from Oregon State and the other one I think was from Washington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Sounds like a good strategy and I would go with that. I liked a couple of Qb's you posted once, one from Oregon State and the other one I think was from Washington. Yes....Mannion from Oregon and Halliday from Washington are my dark horse picks for the later rounds.....(you have a good memory) Ill add, I dont know why Mannion isnt getting more play, other than he's fairly immobile(classic pocket passer). He's a high character guy, in a pro offense, very efficient, has a great touch and is very accurate. Doesn't have a rocket, but has enough. He's one that I think has the fewest questions of em all..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted February 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 ... As for quarterback? Who cares? ... WSS LOL... This has to be the best one-liner I've heard in a while... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 So, we know our defense is going to be pretty good again this coming year but whether we like it or not, we are re-building on offense... yet again. The roster on that side of the ball is "weak" at best and we have nearly an entire new coaching staff which means new system, new players they will covet, etc... Nobody is a DeFilippo expert, and I doubt any of us really know what kind of system he wants to run so let me ask you guys what you might do with this team from a roster and system perspective? Here is our current crop of o-linemen: Tackles - Thomas (LT), Schwartz (RT), McQuistan, A.McDonald, Bowie Guards - Bitonio (LG), Greco (RG), Barton, Painter Centers - Mack ©, McDonald, Hughlett (LS) Is there a weak spot in that starting 5? If so, how much do you invest to improve this line? Not only that, but what kind of blocking scheme fits these guys best? In my opinion, this is a solid group but need a versatile G/T player in case we lose another starter next year... McQuiston is NOT that guy... Here are our "skill position" players: QB - Manziel, Shaw RB - Crowell, West, Winston WR - Hawkins, Gabriel, Benjamin, R.Smith, Bates, Cone TE - Barnidge, Dray OH JEEZ... doesn't that strike fear into opposing defensive coordinators!?!? What the he** do we do about this group to make them legit? Here is where I am totally lost... Any thoughts? I do not think a "rebuild" is necessary. The line could use some depth perhaps..but has all pro talent there. The receiving corps is fairly solid if unspectacular. The RBs could be good. OK, a real QB, a top notch WR and TE would be in order. Needing 2-3 skill players is what I call needing some tweeking....not rebuilding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted February 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Yes....Mannion from Oregon and Halliday from Washington are my dark horse picks for the later rounds.....(you have a good memory) Ill add, I dont know why Mannion isnt getting more play, other than he's fairly immobile(classic pocket passer). He's a high character guy, in a pro offense, very efficient, has a great touch and is very accurate. Doesn't have a rocket, but has enough. He's one that I think has the fewest questions of em all..... I'd add Garrett Grayson to that list. If we're drafting a QB, those seem like the best 3 in terms of value... at least for now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erie Dawg Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Im not sweating bullets. the core group of players are there. Cameron i suppose would suck to loose but he is on the concussion watch list. Gipson is Key. We need a QB a to fill in the pieces with the draft and FA. Im more worried about wiffing on talent in the draft if farmer isnt going to be a part od the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted February 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 I do not think a "rebuild" is necessary. The line could use some depth perhaps..but has all pro talent there. The receiving corps is fairly solid if unspectacular. The RBs could be good. OK, a real QB, a top notch WR and TE would be in order. Needing 2-3 skill players is what I call needing some tweeking....not rebuilding. Whether necessary or not, we are AGAIN going into the offseason with a new offensive system, and with a 1st time play-caller so we are esentially starting from scratch... It may help that we have some talent on the line, but the line itself doesn't move the football... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Whether necessary or not, we are AGAIN going into the offseason with a new offensive system, and with a 1st time play-caller so we are esentially starting from scratch... It may help that we have some talent on the line, but the line itself doesn't move the football... Well, when I hear the term "rebuild" I take that usually to mean that we have to do much to replace the talent that is in place. I don't think that much of the talent that is in place needs to be replaced. It just needs to be augmented. Except, of course, as always, Quarterback. The guys that are there can do a job. Hawkins and Benjamin and Gabriel etc. can play.....but, yea, a Gordon like WR to add to the mix would be very helpful. And Dray and Barnidge can do the job...but maybe a top rookie TE could be helpful. Etc. To my view, if you have the talent....you can devise a system to fit the quality of that talent.....unless you are a completely untractable OC....which I do not think Filippo is. You gotta have that quality triggerman, sure. That has been the Browns biggest problem. But at this point, in FA, in the draft....I am willing to work on strengthening all the other elements of the team......and then putting that cherry on top if we can find him at some point. I don't know that he is here. (including Hoyer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 My problem with OL starts at Schwartz and anybody behind him. To fix at Guard though: FA-Jets-Willie Colon or Mike Iupati. Draft: Cam Erving plays every spot OL at FSU or G AJ Cann at 19 they are both gone at our pick 43.(Erving close) Later rounds more than suitable for our situation is duke Tomlinson at our pick 77 but at pick 77 WR PR KR Tyler Lockett at K State we cannot pass on.. I see G/C needed but not as bad as still seeing MINGO on the field attempting to play DEF. DT-1st pick Shelton. ILB- McKinney 2nd pick or Cam Erving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browns52 Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 So, we know our defense is going to be pretty good again this coming year but whether we like it or not, we are re-building on offense... yet again. The roster on that side of the ball is "weak" at best and we have nearly an entire new coaching staff which means new system, new players they will covet, etc... Nobody is a DeFilippo expert, and I doubt any of us really know what kind of system he wants to run so let me ask you guys what you might do with this team from a roster and system perspective? Here is our current crop of o-linemen: Tackles - Thomas (LT), Schwartz (RT), McQuistan, A.McDonald, Bowie Guards - Bitonio (LG), Greco (RG), Barton, Painter Centers - Mack ©, McDonald, Hughlett (LS) Is there a weak spot in that starting 5? If so, how much do you invest to improve this line? Not only that, but what kind of blocking scheme fits these guys best? In my opinion, this is a solid group but need a versatile G/T player in case we lose another starter next year... McQuiston is NOT that guy... Here are our "skill position" players: QB - Manziel, Shaw RB - Crowell, West, Winston WR - Hawkins, Gabriel, Benjamin, R.Smith, Bates, Cone TE - Barnidge, Dray OH JEEZ... doesn't that strike fear into opposing defensive coordinators!?!? What the he** do we do about this group to make them legit? Here is where I am totally lost... Any thoughts? we won't win 4 games based on our schedule for 2015 with these players....you've got to be flippin kidding me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browns52 Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Pick up someone like Cecil Shorts and Charles Clay in FA. While using one first round pick on an NT like Shelton or Brown, use the other on a big receiver like Fowler or White. Use the second rounder on an OL that can compete on the right side - the starting 5 are pretty good, but depth is shocking. At QB, fuck knows, but if you have a skill group now looking like: QB - Manziel, Shaw RB - Crowell, West, Winston WR - Shorts, Fowler, Hawkins, Gabriel, Benjamin TE - Clay, Barnidge, Dray Then a solid QB like Hoyer (why the fuck not, the players know and respect him) can give a solid performance. Give time for whoever we decide is the QB of the future - Manziel, Shaw, or someone else - to develop. yeah thats just what we fucking need...another hoyer vs manziel comedy show....hopefully hoyer leaves this piece of shit organization...he deserves much better than this shit.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Browns52 more of those hope we don't see post 78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Going out on a limb here, but I am honestly more concerned with fixing our Run D than our O. I just have a feeling that the QB situation will solidify... not solved for all time, but solidified. Once over that hurdle the O-line and WR corps are not major hurdles. Greater concern for me up the middle of the D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Going out on a limb here, but I am honestly more concerned with fixing our Run D than our O. Greater concern for me up the middle of the D. which is the perfect segue into my first "draft shocker" possibility for the draft.....that I will admit to liking, while I think it would freak most of you guys out... A LOT!......hahaha .But Ive been watching a guy, who I think is top 5 talent.....who is dropping slightly.....and not discussed much....and could, maybe, possibly fall to our pick at 12....so.....here it is.....the Browns are on the clock....and At #12.....the Browns select.....Landon Collins...Strong Safety........Alabama And the fans lose their minds.....the city burns....hahaha...... but, knowing his talent and how great safeties can change the face of a team....and knowing Farmer and Pettine... I can see it happening ....and, though not an immediate need, I would take him at 12 in a heartbeat!!! Ok....Go ahead.....attack..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 LOL... I took Collins at 19 or so in a First-Pick sim. No trades were being offered. I said "Gip got hurt last year and Whitner is no spring chicken... WTF..." Plus the guy is big enough to work in an LB role in some Ds... The Sim gave me an A- for my effort. In First-Pick I've seen more than a few runs where our 2nd #1 pick at 19, and down, lands in a wasteland for need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 man...people/women/kids.....the sky ain't falling. if mack coulda stayed healthy all year we prob be 2+ wins better in the W-L column and all people could bitch about is new contracts to a TE and a QB. as people have said west sat cuz he sat the ball on the turf as did crowell. anyone of our RBs could leave and i wouldn't be mad. show me a dude in so. central sligging crack and i'll show you the next HOF RB. the browns need OL help LIKE I"VE BEEN SAYING FOr the last 3 years on the FUCKING right side. i know people likt ot defend schwartz but give it up, the dude is a bum. i don't care about %s and shit, what i see is what i knwo and the right side has been a sieve for yearsnow. then a backup center and the next up-and-comer OT cuz JT ain't getting any younger. this of course AFTER we draft the best 2 DL 1 and 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 With JFF clean and sober, we gonna wreck this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 LOL... I took Collins at 19 or so in a First-Pick sim. I said "Gip got hurt last year and Whitner is no spring chicken... WTF..." Plus the guy is big enough to work in an LB role in some Ds... The Sim gave me an A- for my effort. In First-Pick I've seen more than a few runs where our 2nd #1 pick at 19, and down, lands in a wasteland for need. exactly....while not really advocating this pick, it just struck me as one of the WTF type of picks that Pettine/farmer might just make....assuming the top of the draft goes heavy on DE/DT/OL and light on skill players..... If that did happen, Id expect them to go WR.....but, expected and actual dont always meet up.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 LOL... I took Collins at 19 or so in a First-Pick sim. No trades were being offered. I said "Gip got hurt last year and Whitner is no spring chicken... WTF..." Plus the guy is big enough to work in an LB role in some Ds... The Sim gave me an A- for my effort. In First-Pick I've seen more than a few runs where our 2nd #1 pick at 19, and down, lands in a wasteland for need. So true.But this is where we can get Mingo off the field with B McKinney OR.. get Cam Erving any where on the line at any time or their gone. And if we get Shelton at 12 even better the middle is stuffed.. Higher rated talent tuff to pass for needs?? But Haslem can ask the street man again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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