thenew23 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 He said a lot of interesting things today... 1) D-line - Plans to move Phil Taylor to NT, said we can pencil in Taylor & Kitchen there. Said Starks can play all 3 spots, but is mostly a 3-tech DE. Said Hughes will be a 3- and 5-tech DE. He likes Shelton but said he'll probably be long gone by the time we pick 2) OLBs - As I said, he mentioned he could use A.Bryant as an OLB at times, and seems really high on Scott Solomon. Said he still wants to add a pass-rusher and the draft is deep at that position. 3) O-line - Said we could move Bitonio to RT (down the line) and he could even play C, and is interested in a developmental C since Mack's contract is up after this season 4) QB - said JF is doing well in rehab and expects him at OTAs. Also, said no private workout for Mariota b/c O'Connell is so familiar with him. Said trading up for QB is one of the few reasons to trade up... We held private workouts with a few QBs but he wouldn't release which ones 5) CB - likes what he hears about Gilbert's offseason and still sees him as a starter even with T.Williams on board. Said he could see K.Williams or Gilbert inside if T.Williams starts outside. 6) K - said it's possible we draft a Kicker 7) Said the team turned down Hard Knocks, said Manziel getting out of rehab is a factor in that decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 He said a lot of interesting things today... 1) D-line - Plans to move Phil Taylor to NT... Hallelujah! 3) O-line - Said we could move Bitonio to RT (down the line) and he could even play C... I believe I had this... 5) CB - likes what he hears about Gilbert's offseason and still sees him as a starter even with T.Williams on board. Said he could see K.Williams or Gilbert inside if T.Williams starts outside. And if Gilbert wins the job, what's the plan for Williams? Match up vs. tough TEs? Depth at FS in addition to CB? 6) K - said it's possible we draft a Kicker Not exactly TMI... 7) Said the team turned down Hard Knocks, said Manziel getting out of rehab is a factor in that decision Smart man... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 He said a lot of interesting things today... 1) D-line - Plans to move Phil Taylor to NT, said we can pencil in Taylor & Kitchen there. Said Starks can play all 3 spots, but is mostly a 3-tech DE. Said Hughes will be a 3- and 5-tech DE. He likes Shelton but said he'll probably be long gone by the time we pick The thing about Phil is that he has the size and strength to anchor the interior and 1i spots, yet the arm length to play some 3 and 5 tech. He may not be dominant at either spot, but he plays them all well. 2) OLBs - As I said, he mentioned he could use A.Bryant as an OLB at times, and seems really high on Scott Solomon. Said he still wants to add a pass-rusher and the draft is deep at that position. Solomon did some work against Carolina and I would love if he caught on in the off-season. Still on board with Orchard. 3) O-line - Said we could move Bitonio to RT (down the line) and he could even play C, and is interested in a developmental C since Mack's contract is up after this season RT? Would that mean they experiment with Schwartz at center? Nothing too new here, mid round Olineman will be a target. 4) QB - said JF is doing well in rehab and expects him at OTAs. Also, said no private workout for Mariota b/c O'Connell is so familiar with him. Said trading up for QB is one of the few reasons to trade up... We held private workouts with a few QBs but he wouldn't release which ones Let us hope there's no trade up 5) CB - likes what he hears about Gilbert's offseason and still sees him as a starter even with T.Williams on board. Said he could see K.Williams or Gilbert inside if T.Williams starts outside. Might be best for Gilbert to continue starting inside, at least for the time being. (should he earn it) 6) K - said it's possible we draft a Kicker 7) Said the team turned down Hard Knocks, said Manziel getting out of rehab is a factor in that decision Good, I'd prefer to hold off the camera's at least one more year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 He said a lot of interesting things today... 1) D-line - Plans to move Phil Taylor to NT, said we can pencil in Taylor & Kitchen there. Said Starks can play all 3 spots, but is mostly a 3-tech DE. Said Hughes will be a 3- and 5-tech DE. He likes Shelton but said he'll probably be long gone by the time we pick 2) OLBs - As I said, he mentioned he could use A.Bryant as an OLB at times, and seems really high on Scott Solomon. Said he still wants to add a pass-rusher and the draft is deep at that position. 3) O-line - Said we could move Bitonio to RT (down the line) and he could even play C, and is interested in a developmental C since Mack's contract is up after this season 4) QB - said JF is doing well in rehab and expects him at OTAs. Also, said no private workout for Mariota b/c O'Connell is so familiar with him. Said trading up for QB is one of the few reasons to trade up... We held private workouts with a few QBs but he wouldn't release which ones 5) CB - likes what he hears about Gilbert's offseason and still sees him as a starter even with T.Williams on board. Said he could see K.Williams or Gilbert inside if T.Williams starts outside. 6) K - said it's possible we draft a Kicker 7) Said the team turned down Hard Knocks, said Manziel getting out of rehab is a factor in that decision Don't think they can technically turn down Hard Knocks this year, though. Pretty sure that they can be forced to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 He said a lot of interesting things today... 1) D-line - Plans to move Phil Taylor to NT... Hallelujah! I am under the impression that no move was really necessary....that is where he was...or should have been playing all along. 3) O-line - Said we could move Bitonio to RT (down the line) and he could even play C... I believe I had this... If something's not broke fix it? Leave well enough alone. Bito was one of the best RGs in the league even in his rookie year. Leave him alone there. You need a RT or a C....go get someone else as good as him to play those spots. Don't weaken that position just to try to strengthen another. 5) CB - likes what he hears about Gilbert's offseason and still sees him as a starter even with T.Williams on board. Said he could see K.Williams or Gilbert inside if T.Williams starts outside. And if Gilbert wins the job, what's the plan for Williams? Match up vs. tough TEs? Depth at FS in addition to CB? He will play "Defensive Back" and cover receivers and tackle runners and do a good job no matter. 6) K - said it's possible we draft a Kicker Not exactly TMI... I guess you have that luxury with 10 picks.....if you keep them. 7) Said the team turned down Hard Knocks, said Manziel getting out of rehab is a factor in that decision Smart man... Yea, some other time maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Don't think they can technically turn down Hard Knocks this year, though. Pretty sure that they can be forced to do it. I'd bet they can turn them down. There are 31 other teams.....and only 9* have been on that show before. That means they have 22 other teams that have not done it. They can find one. Let the Steelers do it...or the Eagles or Redskins.....more intriguing story lines there. *Ravens, Cowboys, Chiefs, Bengals, Jets, Dolphins, Bengals again, Falcons. (so actually 23 other teams besides Browns and the above have not done it.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 We went through this last year when we could not be forced to do the show (1st year HC exemption). I don't think we have any exeptions that apply this year. Here are the exemptions from last year. It's still the list as far as I know: 1. Teams that have appeared on Hard Knocks in the last 10 years. 2. Teams with new head coaches. 3. Teams that have made the playoffs in either of the last two years. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/10/most-teams-will-be-exempt-from-hard-knocks-requirement/ This year we can "turn it down" as a first pass response, but if no one else volunteers, then we can be forced to do the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyceRolls Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 We went through this last year when we could not be forced to do the show (1st year HC exemption). I don't think we have any exeptions that apply this year. Here are the exemptions from last year. It's still the list as far as I know: 1. Teams that have appeared on Hard Knocks in the last 10 years. 2. Teams with new head coaches. 3. Teams that have made the playoffs in either of the last two years. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/10/most-teams-will-be-exempt-from-hard-knocks-requirement/ This year we can "turn it down" as a first pass response, but if no one else volunteers, then we can be forced to do the show. That leaves 9 eligible teams: Giants, Redskins, Browns, Texans, Jaguars, Titans, Vikings, Buccaneers and Rams. The Redskins would be one of the teams that could possibly compete with the Browns in terms of QB drama with the RGknee debacle currently going on. The Buccaneers would be another interesting option, but if no one volunteers, the Browns will most likely be forced to do the damn thing. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24939058/redskins-giants-among-9-nfl-teams-eligible-for-2015-hard-knocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 That leaves 9 eligible teams: Giants, Redskins, Browns, Texans, Jaguars, Titans, Vikings, Buccaneers and Rams. Why in hell are these the "only eligible"? Only 8 teams have ever done the show. If you count the Browns out that would still leave 23 teams that have never done it. Do they only take teams with losing seasons? If so, why? That makes no sense The Redskins would be one of the teams that could possibly compete with the Browns in terms of QB drama with the RGknee debacle currently going on. The Buccaneers would be another interesting option, but if no one volunteers, the Browns will most likely be forced to do the damn thing. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24939058/redskins-giants-among-9-nfl-teams-eligible-for-2015-hard-knocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 OK, having read the article I see that it says that any team that has made the playoffs the last two years, or that does not have a 1st year HC are exempt from appearing. My only question....what the fuck? I understand the new HC thing.....but to exempt teams that have made the playoffs? Why? What is the rationale. I see none other than it being arbitrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 OK, having read the article I see that it says that any team that has made the playoffs the last two years, or that does not have a 1st year HC are exempt from appearing. My only question....what the fuck? I understand the new HC thing.....but to exempt teams that have made the playoffs? Why? What is the rationale. I see none other than it being arbitrary. I'm sure partly because they'd want to avoid the minefield that would be "oh, we made the playoffs last year, then nothing changed and we missed the playoffs this year...it's Hard Knocks' fault!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opal312 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 I've no idea what hard knocks is because I never watch television. Did Roger Goodell make it mandatory? I hate Roger Goodell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 I've no idea what hard knocks is because I never watch television. Did Roger Goodell make it mandatory? I hate Roger Goodell. Well, I guess if the league can dictate how high a player can wear his socks, they can dictate this to their owners. Still, the method of choosing who is "eligible" is assinine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 6) K - said it's possible we draft a Kicker Pettine ************************ well...I wasn't completely goofy on my mock draft. Nailed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted March 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 He said a lot of interesting things today... 1) D-line - Plans to move Phil Taylor to NT, said we can pencil in Taylor & Kitchen there. Said Starks can play all 3 spots, but is mostly a 3-tech DE. Said Hughes will be a 3- and 5-tech DE. He likes Shelton but said he'll probably be long gone by the time we pick 2) OLBs - As I said, he mentioned he could use A.Bryant as an OLB at times, and seems really high on Scott Solomon. Said he still wants to add a pass-rusher and the draft is deep at that position. With regard to the front 7, it looks like instead of re-stacking the deck, Pettine plans to shuffle the cards... Starks Taylor D.Bryant Winn Kitchen Hughes Mingo Dansby Robertson Kruger Solomon Carder Kirksey A.Bryant Still looks like Kitchen and Solomon are the weak spots that could use upgraded, but I like moving Phil back to the NT. Horton used him there and Rubin as a DE, but when Pettine came in he switched them... I never understood that... Hopefully Phil can stay healthy and play well, especially on a contract year for him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted March 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 4) QB - said JF is doing well in rehab and expects him at OTAs. Also, said no private workout for Mariota b/c O'Connell is so familiar with him. Said trading up for QB is one of the few reasons to trade up... We held private workouts with a few QBs but he wouldn't release which ones Also said Manziel should be given the chance to be "the guy" as long as he can get/stay on the field... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Appreciate the update 23. Good stuff. Here's a link that captures a short press conference/interview with Pettine The Dawg today that hits on a few of the things you mentioned: http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-center/videos/Pettine-Im-optimistic-Manziel-will-be-back-in-April/1774be15-52fe-4b5c-8022-c20af3b90b2e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Do people seriously not understand that the Commissioner only enforces rules set by a majority of the owners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Will any team volunteer to do the HBO show this year? Seems like there are a lot of downside to doing the show with the distraction. More so this year for the Browns with JM coming out of rehab. The owners may have voted on this but I don't like this set up. The Browns may be stuck with no choice but to have the HBO cameras if no other team volunteers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 The Browns will be on HBO.... Embrace it. I for one can't wait to get a look behind the curtain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Do people seriously not understand that the Commissioner only enforces rules set by a majority of the owners? Blame Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Don't think they can technically turn down Hard Knocks this year, though. Pretty sure that they can be forced to do it. It will be a hard sell to Haslam & Pettine- if they tell Goodell they don't want the cameras on Johnny Rehab just yet. I'd bet they can turn them down. There are 31 other teams.....and only 9* have been on that show before. That means they have 22 other teams that have not done it. They can find one. Let the Steelers do it...or the Eagles or Redskins.....more intriguing story lines there. *Ravens, Cowboys, Chiefs, Bengals, Jets, Dolphins, Bengals again, Falcons. (so actually 23 other teams besides Browns and the above have not done it.) Yeah- teams that make the playoffs should be eligible. Heck, the NFL could tell HBO- "not this year" They won't I'm sure HBO pays them a healthy chunk of change. The Browns will be on HBO.... Embrace it. I for one can't wait to get a look behind the curtain. You enjoy Real Housewives of Atlanta or Survivor too? If there's not a story- Create one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 I sincerely doubt that the NFL controlled film will paint any team in a bad light. I think we are being pussies. why leave the perception of the team up to assholes like Jason LaCanfora? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 so let's say the browns are forced to do it. manziel comes back to camp and it's the main plot line of the show. if manziel fizzles out under the pressure and even worse goes back to doing stupid stuff, would there be a basis for a lawsuit thrown at the browns, the nfl and HBO by a manziel camp stacked with high price lawyers, arguing some mental duress? i know the players are the 'property' of the team they play for but when did individual rights go out the window? doesn't each player have to sign off on this? anywhere else in america to be filmed the co. needs a waiver from each individual. what if manziel says no, don't film me? my concern isn't so much with the other players, it's with manziel. and for all those that want to give this guy another chance (hell, i'm on the bottom of that list) don't you think throwing hollywood back in front of this kid as soon as he steps out of rehab, a recipe for disaster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 NFL is entertainment. They make money off the show. Manziel seems to be the main attraction of the media. They want him to fuck up. I could see them making the Browns do it. Manziel is a commodity. If he falls off the wagon the media will eat it up. The NFL won't give a shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 As a Browns fan I want what is best for the team. Pettine has already said he does not want the distraction of doing this show with JM just coming out of rehab. Will HBO honor that or force the Browns to do the show if no other team volunteers? We'll see. I just don't see HBO having the best interest of the Browns here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 As a Browns fan I want what is best for the team. Pettine has already said he does not want the distraction of doing this show with JM just coming out of rehab. Will HBO honor that or force the Browns to do the show if no other team volunteers? We'll see. I just don't see HBO having the best interest of the Browns here. Again it isn't an HBO decision it's a National Football League decision, and they would most likely have the best interest of the league in mind. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 It's an interesting show. I saw some clips on youtube with Pettine when he was with the Jets. If Pettine wanted to do the show this year I would be for it but since he is not I hope they get someone else for this year anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 With regard to the front 7, it looks like instead of re-stacking the deck, Pettine plans to shuffle the cards... Starks Taylor D.Bryant Winn Kitchen Hughes Mingo Dansby Robertson Kruger Solomon Carder Kirksey A.Bryant Still looks like Kitchen and Solomon are the weak spots that could use upgraded, but I like moving Phil back to the NT. Horton used him there and Rubin as a DE, but when Pettine came in he switched them... I never understood that... Hopefully Phil can stay healthy and play well, especially on a contract year for him... Reasonable......but I suspect that a high round drafted rookie will be slipped into the mix there somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 You enjoy Real Housewives of Atlanta or Survivor too? If there's not a story- Create one. Survivor yes, but RHoA has gone downhill, so I replaced it with Keeping Up with the Kardashians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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