LogicIsForSquares Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Bologna salad is also a perversion of real salad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 In all honesty, things I don't like are evil and should be banned. #bothpoliticalparties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 But I find peanut butter icky. Thus I deemed it unnatural and a perversion to all other types of spread. And I realize you were just playing the woody card but I think you understand the difference between not liking peanut butter and not liking the flavor of feces. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 And I realize you were just playing the woody card but I think you understand the difference between not liking peanut butter and not liking the flavor of feces. WSS I have had some pretty shitty peanut butter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprophagia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/brain-sense/201109/little-known-eating-disorder-is-the-rise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 I didn't address that point because I don't think it's valid especially compared with your list. And I didn't, unless I've missed someone's comment, think it was the main thrust of the original post. But if I were pressed I would say probably the ideal family unit is a caring mother and father. WSS Ideal? Sure. Only? Not by a long shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprophagia I get where you are going. This thread is just ridiculous so I was fucking around. Magnets and peanut butter are not analogs for humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Ideal? Sure. Only? Not by a long shot.I think I've been relatively clear on that. Also I commented on what I think is a lack of morality when people don't consider the child when making whatever life plans they make. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 So does peanut butter. Get that unnatural shit away from me. I prefer traditional, natural ground peanut paste. Just like it says in the new testament. How am I supposed to explain peanut butter to my kids? That liberal, socialist public school is indoctrinating them that peanut butter is a normal thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Make some peanut butter out of sawdust mineral oil guar gum and artificial peanut flavoring and try to get it past the FDA with a label that calls it peanut butter. Damn those FDA bible thumpers. (ain't the irony game fun) WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 You can't get rid of gay people unless get rid of all the humans. You can't get rid of peanut butter unless you get rid of all the peanuts. So I guess we have to deal with gays and peanut butter for the foreseeable future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 You can't get rid of gay people unless get rid of all the humans. You can't get rid of peanut butter unless you get rid of all the peanuts. So I guess we have to deal with gays and peanut butter for the foreseeable future. Woody might be able to tell you if it is an acceptable anal lubricant. Not free chunky kind I'm guessing... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 gays and peanut butter? this thread certainly went down a strange road only found on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 gays and peanut butter? this thread certainly went down a strange road only found on the internet. Just wait until we get to cookie dough and nutella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 how bout not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Just wait until we get to cookie dough and nutella. I like nutella. Not the human analogy but just regular nutella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Nutella is polygamy Cookie Dough is legalized weed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted October 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 LOL LOL LOL Dammit, I have farm work to do, you guys need to stop being funny so fast, I don't want to miss anything... (except for woody, who is never funny) Obviously, we're talking morality here, and yes, alcoholic parents would be devastating to children. However, we are also talking about sexual/emotional development of children - the self-actualization based on a proper environment. The idea to validate redefining an entire social institution - real marriage - and morph into something that cannot legitimately exist morally... by rhetorically putting forth a question like: "well, would you rather a kid have gay parents.. or have vicious insect aliens from a distant planet parents?" I say, neither. There is no forced choice. "Would you rather be killed by a giant with a white pine, or an australian pine? Well, gee, the white pine has much softer needles... so....." It's also nonsense about "well, some married couples can't have children...". really? There is no moral perversion there - and situation is not a common basis upon which to redefine marriage, which has always, and always will BE...a man and woman. It takes both sexes as parents for the most beneficial self-actualization/healthy adjustment into adulthood to take place. Single parent families? There are plenty of other people in the extended family that are of the other sex. But, that is hardly generally true with the situation of a gay couple who "adopt". There are no maternal/paternal grandparents. Never any biological siblings. NEVER. That right there shows a huge problem. Because with a husband and wife who can't have children for whatever reason - it's a medical situation, not a sex/biology one. They may have already had a few children. But if they adopt, there are still grandparents on both sides...generally. And the dumb thing about divorce. There are still both sexes as parents in their lives, still grandparents, still...often, siblings. There is no redefinition of the legitimate instititution of marriage. And, organic peanut butter is pretty good for you, and when you go to a Texas Roadhouse, you can chomp on peanuts while waiting for a booth, and while waiting for your dinner. AND, you can throw the shells on the floor. Very cool. And, you can take a bunch of those shelled peanuts, use a knife and make shavings (hammer works faster), and mix some root beer in em, squoosh it around with the salt shaker...and THAT is freakin PEANUT BUTTER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Wow, where to even start with that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Just so I'm clear, I *think* this is what you're thinking, cal: 1) Marriage is primarily for the purpose of procreation 2) Gay people cannot procreate 3) Gay people make worse parents 4) Gay people should not be able to adopt 5) Therefore, gay people getting married completely undermines the point of marriage 6) Other people who also cannot have kids or explicitly don't want to have kids - no problem getting married 7) People who will be demonstrably bad parents (alcoholics for example) should be allowed to get married (again in the context of marriage = procreation) if they are straight I'm not going to jump in and criticise things you're not saying, so I just wanted to get clarity. Something I'm certain you've said (because it's here): The idea to validate redefining an entire social institution - real marriage - and morph into something that cannot legitimately exist morally... I'm assuming that finishes with an 'is bad' or similar. Is it immoral for gay people to adopt? We've already been over how basically everyone here would rather have a kid raised by a gay couple than an alcoholic/abusive parent. Is forcing that child to stay with that family immoral? I'm sticking with the main point here, which is that if you want to call for gay people to not be able to get married, on the basis that they're worse parents than optimal/average (not sure which), then where is the call for other people who also come from groups that, in general terms, are demonstrably worse as parents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 1) Marriage is primarily for the purpose of procreation Marriage more probably rose out of the need to merge families and clans to provide for a bloodline for patriarchy and/or royalty. 2) Gay people cannot procreate No they can not. 3) Gay people make worse parents Not particularly. So what? 4) Gay people should not be able to adopt No reason they can't. Still that does not change the bloodline. The child will still have the surname of Snow in the north. 5) Therefore, gay people getting married completely undermines the point of marriage If you are using the bloodline criteria, yes 6) Other people who also cannot have kids or explicitly don't want to have kids - no problem getting married That is true. And it does not affect the bloodline. 7) People who will be demonstrably bad parents (alcoholics for example) should be allowed to get married (again in the context of ,,,, True enough. And social services will take children away from couples who have demonstrated they are detrimental to the child's well being. Still at the end of the day even though I have no problem with gay people calling it whatever they like if it makes them happy, there are certain perks and privileges given to married people. All those could be easily incorporated in a social contract, and the couple could find a sympathetic church and call their relationship whenever they like. I have not heard a good argument for or against that idea from the hard left or the hard right. Here's a related question. Why should an American citizen not born in the United States be forbidden from being president? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 I think most on here have been fine with the govt calling everything a civil union, and then letting other institutions call it a marriage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Still at the end of the day even though I have no problem with gay people calling it whatever they like if it makes them happy, there are certain perks and privileges given to married people. All those could be easily incorporated in a social contract, and the couple could find a sympathetic church and call their relationship whenever they like. I have not heard a good argument for or against that idea from the hard left or the hard right. Here's a related question. Why should an American citizen not born in the United States be forbidden from being president? WSS No reason why someone born in mexico, came to america as a 2 year old and spent their life there shouldn't be president, where someone born in the US, moved to mexico aged 2 and spent their life there should have the chance. As for the contract business, that's what people are after, not (generally) the church part - I don't know too many gay people who would want to get married in an establishment that keeps telling them they're going to hell. I know some do, and many churches are welcoming, but by and large, gay couples are just after the same rights as straight - things like extended healthcare for the family (which doesn't apply unless you're married or whatever). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 You could extrapolate that to someone born in London or Toronto who came to the United States went to college ran for office and has been here for 20 years. And if all you say about the social contract is in agreement with most, then what is the problem? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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