Canton Dawg Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 As much as I despise Farmer, I call bullshit on this article. 3 Browns make the top ten list. . . Ten biggest NFL rookie busts of 2015 http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ten-biggest-nfl-rookie-busts-in-2015/ar-BBnD9pw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cvcanedy Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 As much as I despise Farmer, I call bullshit on this article. 3 Browns make the top ten list. . . Ten biggest NFL rookie busts of 2015 http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ten-biggest-nfl-rookie-busts-in-2015/ar-BBnD9pw Duke? Stupid article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cvcanedy Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 As much as I despise Farmer, I call bullshit on this article. 3 Browns make the top ten list. . . Ten biggest NFL rookie busts of 2015 http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ten-biggest-nfl-rookie-busts-in-2015/ar-BBnD9pw Duke? Stupid article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvoethe Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Duke? Stupid article I agree x3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Can't teach an old dog new tricks huh? As was said, then why isn't he getting in when Benji has to take a blow after running a fly pattern? Im only the messenger, but it sounded to me like he has to pick 6 guys to sit each week....and usually only carries 4 wide outs ...so he picks the 4 he can move around and do the most with....more just a numbers game... (Though I suspect Pettine would prefer just to say he sucks and a dead elephant could run faster) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 I'm with Tour. No problem in just bringing guys in. Same way I run my fantasy team. I've made over 55 moves this year. I just pick up a guy. If he goes off, great. If he doesn't, then I switch it the next week. No problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Duke? Stupid article Yea.....I can see the other two....but not Duke. He was only a third round pick....and I think that for a pick in that area he has done fine for his rookie year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Yea.....I can see the other two....but not Duke. He was only a third round pick....and I think that for a pick in that area he has done fine for his rookie year. Agreed. I didn't read the article because it is one of those you have to click through page by page. But I saw the author was a chick. And if she has Duke in the top 10 bust list she has never seen a football game. See Page 10 http://www.brownsmedia.com/images/9003/12_20_15_vs_Seattle_Seahawks.pdf 2nd in rookie receptions 5th in rookie receiving yards 5th in NFL running back receptions 4th in NFL running back receiving yards 7th in Browns all-time rookie reception leaders ... could be third on the list by Sunday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 I did like Zombo and only looked at page one......Cause there is no way Duke is a year one bust.....ridiculous..... BUT.....I did see that they had Beasley listed as one of the busts and he was a guy I really wanted, so was a little disappointed to see he didnt do well..... I decided to check the numbers to see just HOW bad he was as a Rookie....cause watching my favorite whipping boy, Kruger, has just worn me out and I thought Beasley woulda made a nice replacement for him.... Beasley....3 sacks....30 hurries......15 tackles.....3 missed tackles.....12 stops....PFF 3.1 Kruger......3 sacks....33 hurries......16 tackles.....6 missed tackles.....15 stops....PFF 3.0 Spooky, isnt it........? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Kruger has a positive PFF grade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Kruger has a positive PFF grade? Yep......completely outrageous, isnt it.....??? I think Im gonna cancel my subscription....JUST because of this....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Continuing to repeat your incorrect assertion does NOT eliminate the influence of Tour's data -- it makes you wrong. The influence of Tour's data is not established. It is only anecdotal. Yup... anecdotal... the other thing it is though is data, of which you have offered zip. I agree x3 First triple post I can recall... New record? I'm with Tour. No problem in just bringing guys in. Same way I run my fantasy team. May have stumbled upon Farmer's core issue... I did like Zombo and only looked at page one......Cause there is no way Duke is a year one bust.....ridiculous..... As a Receiving Back... certainly not a bust. As a Running Back... a case can be made. On balance, however, no, not a bust. Also not a bust in my mind... Shelton. Stats are not glitzy to be sure, but do the numbers not still support that he has been a middle run stuffer? Haven't seen then in a while, but at one point earlier I believe that was what they showed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Your agreement means nothing. The problem that was originally hypothesized in this thread ["Too Many Moves"] was DISPROVEN by Tour. It's objectively wrong. You haven't defined a new problem that incorporates his data. Continuing to repeat your incorrect assertion does NOT eliminate the influence of Tour's data -- it makes you wrong. Repeating 1,2,5 items that don't represent anything systemic.. doesn't change anything or "refute" Tour's post. Hey, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Then I just have the OPINION I don't like the way Farmer is churning the roster. And dumping a wr when Harline and Hawkins won't be available, Bowe being a stiff- and picking up a running back that we don't really need- is plain crazy IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 As much as I despise Farmer, I call bullshit on this article. 3 Browns make the top ten list. . . Ten biggest NFL rookie busts of 2015 http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ten-biggest-nfl-rookie-busts-in-2015/ar-BBnD9pw Yeah, I call BS on Johnson- only a third round pick giving us at least third round production. You were expecting Barry Sanders? But man- that clip of Erving getting pancaked by the Steelers was bad, really, really bad. Author must be a Steelers fan. Their third round pick Sammy Coates has one reception for 11 yards. BUST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Yeah, I call BS on Johnson- only a third round pick giving us at least third round production. You were expecting Barry Sanders? But man- that clip of Erving getting pancaked by the Steelers was bad, really, really bad. Author must be a Steelers fan. Their third round pick Sammy Coates has one reception for 11 yards. BUST. Really? And she (someone said it was a woman) doesn't pick him as one of the top ten busts....but he does pick Duke? I don't know if the author is a Steeler fan? But she is as stupid as a Steeler fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Really? And she (someone said it was a woman) doesn't pick him as one of the top ten busts....but he does pick Duke? I don't know if the author is a Steeler fan? But she is as stupid as a Steeler fan. Here ya have it Gip. http://www.steelers.com/team/roster/Sammie-Coates/f48730eb-5ec1-40fe-ba07-4b9f10a14963 Now if Vagitron was still posting, he'd have him as a rookie of the year candidate. In all fairness, he has a couple of pretty good guys ahead of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 Hey I'm first place Tour! Any GM would be lucky to step in my office for consultation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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