Ogbah signed

[The Gipper]

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2016/5/26/11793156/cleveland-browns-sign-2nd-round-draft-pick-olb-emmanuel-ogbah

 

The Cleveland Browns signed OLB Emmanuel Ogbah on Thursday. He is the seventh of fourteen draft picks to sign, with the first six having signed on two weeks ago.

Taken in the 2nd round at No. 32 overall, Ogbah's contract will be worth about $6.610 million, with a $3.007 million signing bonus over four years, according to OverTheCap's pre-determined draft chart. His cap hit in 2016 will be roughly $1.202 million, which puts him well behind the cap hits for OLB Paul Kruger and OLB Barkevious Mingo, but a little ahead of what OLB Nate Orchard will account for.

The Browns made Ogbah the first pick of Day 2 of the draft. The way you know they were really sold on him as a player is the fact that they traded down so many times, yet refused to deal out of No. 32. Ogbah is 6-4, 275-pounds and played college football at Oklahoma State. He will wear No. 90 with the Browns. A few weeks ago at rookie minicamp, Ogbah talked about his transition to linebacker at the NFL level:

"It’s new. I came from a 4-3 defense. Basically, the only thing that I’m doing is standing. It’s pretty much the same. It’s not complicated is what I’m trying to say. ... What they asked me to do here is drop. That’s the only difference. In college, I didn’t drop that much, but I still dropped a little bit. Here, I’m dropping a lot more than I did in college. That’s the only difference."

[Tour2ma]

Asking an OLB to drop? WTF is Ray thinking?

[The Gipper]

 

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2016/5/26/11793156/cleveland-browns-sign-2nd-round-draft-pick-olb-emmanuel-ogbah

 

The Cleveland Browns signed OLB Emmanuel Ogbah on Thursday. He is the seventh of fourteen draft picks to sign, with the first six having signed on two weeks ago.

Taken in the 2nd round at No. 32 overall, Ogbah's contract will be worth about $6.610 million, with a $3.007 million signing bonus over four years, according to OverTheCap's pre-determined draft chart. His cap hit in 2016 will be roughly $1.202 million, which puts him well behind the cap hits for OLB Paul Kruger and OLB Barkevious Mingo, but a little ahead of what OLB Nate Orchard will account for.

The Browns made Ogbah the first pick of Day 2 of the draft. The way you know they were really sold on him as a player is the fact that they traded down so many times, yet refused to deal out of No. 32. Ogbah is 6-4, 275-pounds and played college football at Oklahoma State. He will wear No. 90 with the Browns. A few weeks ago at rookie minicamp, Ogbah talked about his transition to linebacker at the NFL level:

"It’s new. I came from a 4-3 defense. Basically, the only thing that I’m doing is standing. It’s pretty much the same. It’s not complicated is what I’m trying to say. ... What they asked me to do here is drop. That’s the only difference. In college, I didn’t drop that much, but I still dropped a little bit. Here, I’m dropping a lot more than I did in college. That’s the only difference."

 

Thanks for the augmentation.

[gftChris]

Asking an OLB to drop? WTF is Ray thinking?

That guy needs to be fired.

[Clevfan4life]

He's gonna play the "elephant" (hortons terminology) so i hope they put his hands down a decent amt. And if horyon is gonna ask him to do shit in coverage that pet adked of kruger.....im out. I will sit the fuck out till hortons fired cause i know our def will be a shitshow so whats the point of watching RG dealing with nothing but pass rush cause the opposing offenses will get up on us quick. Whats will be the point of watching kessler come in at mid season and get killed all the same cause our defense cant hold its water and our o line is in panic pass protect almost the entire season...

[gftChris]

He's gonna play the "elephant" (hortons terminology) so i hope they put his hands down a decent amt. And if horyon is gonna ask him to do shit in coverage that pet adked of kruger.....im out. I will sit the fuck out till hortons fired cause i know our def will be a shitshow so whats the point of watching RG dealing with nothing but pass rush cause the opposing offenses will get up on us quick. Whats will be the point of watching kessler come in at mid season and get killed all the same cause our defense cant hold its water and our o line is in panic pass protect almost the entire season...

You get that linebackers have to cover occasionally, right? I mean, I know you want us to switch to a 4-3 (and we do keep drafting 4-3 ends to convert to 3-4 DE or OLB), but we don't run a traditional, rush your two outside guys every time front.

[gumby73]

He's gonna play the "elephant" (hortons terminology)

It's comes from The Dr. Seuss Collection. Called "Horton hears a Who & than Hue".. it maybe a bumpy ride..

[The Gipper]

It's comes from The Dr. Seuss Collection. Called "Horton hears a Who & than Hue".. it maybe a bumpy ride..

Horton hears What?

Oh yeah:

[Clevfan4life]

You get that linebackers have to cover occasionally, right? I mean, I know you want us to switch to a 4-3 (and we do keep drafting 4-3 ends to convert to 3-4 DE or OLB), but we don't run a traditional, rush your two outside guys every time front.

But what u have to understand is that the hybrid 3-4 strong side or whatever nomenclature they use, is a guy you drop mainly into a shallow zone. Think harrison in pgh, what did lebeau have him do when he dropped? He wasnt tailing slot receivers across the middle in man coverage was he? No ge dropped back and "killed" any poor hapless slot that dared cross his face.

 

I have no problem with a hybrid being used in "certain" coverages. But if i see ogbah or kruger chasing guys half their size all over the field like we saw last year, than no im out for the year. Why watch that crap again?

[joedawg69]

I am not a big fan of taking a 4-3 DE and making him a 3-4 OLB but I am not ready to call him a bust just yet either. I understand it is harder to make the change than to just draft an OLB; but, that does not mean it will not work. I will wait and see.

[tiamat63]

I have no issue with players being asked and coached to make the transition. I just wish we would have take a more viable candidate.

[Clevfan4life]

I have no issue with players being asked and coached to make the transition. I just wish we would have take a more viable candidate.

I kind of concur since i didnt think og was that good of s 4-3 DE candidate. They saw something i guess

[gumby73]

I kind of concur since i didnt think og was that good of s 4-3 DE candidate. They saw something i guess

Ogbah went 32. 33.K. Dodd 36.M. Jack 39.N.Spence 41.R.Ragland 42.K. Correa.. If they wanted a OLB that can drop in coverage. Damn they must see a lot in OB & must of hated Jacks medical..

 

[One Post]

The same with Bosa. You know I've been wanting to say something for a while so here it goes...

 

I've had different jobs and have been a part of a working team with the goal of making money and at the same time taking time for the details that prove a days work that make it worth doing. I've met and worked with some that just couldn't cut the mustard. You've been there before too ... It just wasn't the right situation to put the person where they can succeed.

 

I had a job as a garbage man for a couple of months. I was like a fish out of the water and I just couldn't mix with the other gents. I've always taken pride in my cleanliness and I'm really picky about my teeth. These guys I worked with made me feel like a pariah and for no reason other than I wasn't accepted. I quit that job.

 

Now years later I'm in a different position and I'm still a quirk when it comes down to my hygiene and I run into the guys I worked with from time to time. I don't say anything I mean why would I? Life is about opportunities and taking them into something for a future. No one has ever given me a chance and I'm not complaining. Whenever I get the chance to make someone's life better I try to treat them well and give them a shot. Why not?

 

Same in football. Put them in a situation where they can succeed rather than overlook someone out of ignorance or stubbornness.

[Canton Mike]

The same with Bosa. You know I've been wanting to say something for a while so here it goes...

 

I've had different jobs and have been a part of a working team with the goal of making money and at the same time taking time for the details that prove a days work that make it worth doing. I've met and worked with some that just couldn't cut the mustard. You've been there before too ... It just wasn't the right situation to put the person where they can succeed.

 

I had a job as a garbage man for a couple of months. I was like a fish out of the water and I just couldn't mix with the other gents. I've always taken pride in my cleanliness and I'm really picky about my teeth. These guys I worked with made me feel like a pariah and for no reason other than I wasn't accepted. I quit that job.

 

Now years later I'm in a different position and I'm still a quirk when it comes down to my hygiene and I run into the guys I worked with from time to time. I don't say anything I mean why would I? Life is about opportunities and taking them into something for a future. No one has ever given me a chance and I'm not complaining. Whenever I get the chance to make someone's life better I try to treat them well and give them a shot. Why not?

 

Same in football. Put them in a situation where they can succeed rather than overlook someone out of ignorance or stubbornness.

 

I like your attitude!

 

Mike

[Flugel]

He's gonna play the "elephant" (hortons terminology) so i hope they put his hands down a decent amt. And if horyon is gonna ask him to do shit in coverage that pet adked of kruger.....im out. I will sit the fuck out till hortons fired cause i know our def will be a shitshow so whats the point of watching RG dealing with nothing but pass rush cause the opposing offenses will get up on us quick. Whats will be the point of watching kessler come in at mid season and get killed all the same cause our defense cant hold its water and our o line is in panic pass protect almost the entire season...

 

This is a gigantic reason I didn't Bosa when you were posting about him constantly. He was either going to be a 5 technique here or wondering if he retreats or rushes every down. From a guy that's never been asked to think pre-snap - it's an enormous change. Aside from that, I'd hate to see a 275 lb guy responsible for Gio Bernard in the flats or hook zone. I'm not exactly seeing Lawrence Taylor agility here. Kam Wimbley had a promising rookie year here when he was only asked to rush the QB. Shortly thereafter, teams started to throw to the flats on his side of the field. You know what he was asked to do for the first time as an NFL soph? Think. "Do I retreat to the flats." It was like we renamed our puppy dawg Stay. Come here STAY! Go STAY! Did we even give him a second contract? Poor guy! Baltimore drafted a perfect 2 gap star Haloti Ngata after we drafted him and then Pittsburgh drafted OLBer Lamarr Woodley a round later. Our division kicked our ASS in the front office right there.

 

Regardless of DC, I've never liked the type of pass rush we've had out of the 3-4 dating all the way back to when we were #1 against the run in 1986 with a 12-4 record. We couldn't hurry the passers to save our lives come post season. It can work if you have the right personnel with very instinctive and highly athletic LBers and the right design. In the past, the Joey Porters and Jason Gildons didn't start immediately because guys like Chad Brown, Kevin Greene and Greg Lloyd were frequenting Pro Bowls so the newbies received 2-3 years of learning curve under LeBeau/Previous DCs teaching the system while their job was being role modeled by an elite performer. Zone blitzes aren't just complicated to face. They're complicated to learn especially if you have to expedite the learning curve to the growing pains of a rookie deep in thought for the first time. We've never found the personnel to justify the patience needed for it all.

 

When Horton was replaced here for 2014, Kruger said he was excited about not worrying/wondering if he needed to cover a zone in lieu of rushing the passer. That means he was uncomfortable as a veteran with the process. If he bellyached about it again in 2015 this is a trend telling me he should have looked a taker running a 4-3 defense. Opposing offenses will find which edge is uncomfortable with zone coverage responsibilities and exploit it. Anyone remember NE's comeback? It felt like their RB had about 15 receptions in the 2nd half. Guess what they were identifying?

 

I'm old school studdorn where I would be fine with a traditional 4-3 where I would have welcomed Bosa here for that. Bosa isn't Lawrence Taylor but I could see him being something close to what Michael Strahan was out of a 3 point every down if he packs the same desire. Strahan wasn't born to back pedal but he did chase his dreams running down QBs. I always enjoyed seeing Walter Johnson and Jerry Sherk lining up as our DTs; inside and so did MLBs - Bob Babich and Dick Ambrose. For some reason, the only time I remembered a Pro Bowl pass rush off the edge here it came from Jamir Miller. His career ended with a torn achilles the very next preseason. I know we've complained a lot about how bad our FO has been at finding the right WRs - but our FO has been just as bad/worse at finding edge rushers.

 

This year? We've found productive prospects that can fetch and catch as well as sic and sack. If memory serves me right, most of these guys also had some good jumps in the assessments measuring explosiveness at Indy to help explain recent results on the field and what is projected ahead. I may not have very many reasons to trust the 3-4 in a passing era (in Cleveland); but I have a really good feeling about the players, FO and coaching staff we have in tact right now. If this franchise could win 7 games in 2014 - why join the crowd putting their 2016 game faces in the sand next ostriches? We have guys coming over from England, others traveling to Miami or Nashville or however many out of state guys coming to Cleveland for games throughout the year. Those aren't sissies. They are reasons why we're the best fan base on the planet just like those in here talking about this team year round through thick and thin.

[Mudfly]

You get that linebackers have to cover occasionally, right?

Occasionally?....Ha!....it a passing league now....3-4-5 receivers sets, 2 TE's and backs catching the ball......LB's have to cover period.....and slow ass 270 lb one trick dinosaurs cant get it done....

 

No ge dropped back and "killed" any poor hapless slot that dared cross his face.

 

I have no problem with a hybrid being used in "certain" coverages. But if i see ogbah or kruger chasing guys half their size all over the field like we saw last year, than no im out for the year. Why watch that crap again?

It's not the system that sucks.....its the players....hence, the reason Harrison(as per your example) creams the guy and protects his territory, but Kruger gets burned......

 

Besides, of the hundreds of plays that he wasnt covering, it's not as if he was tackling anyone or getting any sacks....

[Clevfan4life]

This obviously remains to be seen, but of all the 4-3 DE's coming out of college bosa seemed to me the one who could handle it. I thought he looked pretty comfortable firezoning in fickels scheme. Plus bosa is s natural football talent. His onfield IQ is some of the best ive seen even out of nfl players. Thats whete the erroneous notion csme from that he wasnt "twitchy" enough. Cause he would hesitate on snaps a split second and then have the play dead to rights. And he had the technique and stength to stiff the linemsn trying to block him so that he could hold off another second and make the runner commit to a lane instead of reading the edge protector. You almost cant teach this stuff otherwise everybody would be doing it.

 

I still think he would have been an amazing addition to our defense. SD obviously thinks they csn fit him inyo thrir 3-4

 

 

 

This is a gigantic reason I didn't Bosa when you were posting about him constantly. He was either going to be a 5 technique here or wondering if he retreats or rushes every down. From a guy that's never been asked to think pre-snap - it's an enormous change. Aside from that, I'd hate to see a 275 lb guy responsible for Gio Bernard in the flats or hook zone. I'm not exactly seeing Lawrence Taylor agility here. Kam Wimbley had a promising rookie year here when he was only asked to rush the QB. Shortly thereafter, teams started to throw to the flats on his side of the field. You know what he was asked to do for the first time as an NFL soph? Think. "Do I retreat to the flats." It was like we renamed our puppy dawg Stay. Come here STAY! Go STAY! Did we even give him a second contract? Poor guy! Baltimore drafted a perfect 2 gap star Haloti Ngata after we drafted him and then Pittsburgh drafted OLBer Lamarr Woodley a round later. Our division kicked our ASS in the front office right there.

 

Regardless of DC, I've never liked the type of pass rush we've had out of the 3-4 dating all the way back to when we were #1 against the run in 1986 with a 12-4 record. We couldn't hurry the passers to save our lives come post season. It can work if you have the right personnel with very instinctive and highly athletic LBers and the right design. In the past, the Joey Porters and Jason Gildons didn't start immediately because guys like Chad Brown, Kevin Greene and Greg Lloyd were frequenting Pro Bowls so the newbies received 2-3 years of learning curve under LeBeau/Previous DCs teaching the system while their job was being role modeled by an elite performer. Zone blitzes aren't just complicated to face. They're complicated to learn especially if you have to expedite the learning curve to the growing pains of a rookie deep in thought for the first time. We've never found the personnel to justify the patience needed for it all.

 

When Horton was replaced here for 2014, Kruger said he was excited about not worrying/wondering if he needed to cover a zone in lieu of rushing the passer. That means he was uncomfortable as a veteran with the process. If he bellyached about it again in 2015 this is a trend telling me he should have looked a taker running a 4-3 defense. Opposing offenses will find which edge is uncomfortable with zone coverage responsibilities and exploit it. Anyone remember NE's comeback? It felt like their RB had about 15 receptions in the 2nd half. Guess what they were identifying?

 

I'm old school studdorn where I would be fine with a traditional 4-3 where I would have welcomed Bosa here for that. Bosa isn't Lawrence Taylor but I could see him being something close to what Michael Strahan was out of a 3 point every down if he packs the same desire. Strahan wasn't born to back pedal but he did chase his dreams running down QBs. I always enjoyed seeing Walter Johnson and Jerry Sherk lining up as our DTs; inside and so did MLBs - Bob Babich and Dick Ambrose. For some reason, the only time I remembered a Pro Bowl pass rush off the edge here it came from Jamir Miller. His career ended with a torn achilles the very next preseason. I know we've complained a lot about how bad our FO has been at finding the right WRs - but our FO has been just as bad/worse at finding edge rushers.

 

This year? We've found productive prospects that can fetch and catch as well as sic and sack. If memory serves me right, most of these guys also had some good jumps in the assessments measuring explosiveness at Indy to help explain recent results on the field and what is projected ahead. I may not have very many reasons to trust the 3-4 in a passing era (in Cleveland); but I have a really good feeling about the players, FO and coaching staff we have in tact right now. If this franchise could win 7 games in 2014 - why join the crowd putting their 2016 game faces in the sand next ostriches? We have guys coming over from England, others traveling to Miami or Nashville or however many out of state guys coming to Cleveland for games throughout the year. Those aren't sissies. They are reasons why we're the best fan base on the planet just like those in here talking about this team year round through thick and thin.

[jiggins7919]

I'm really liking what I read about Ogbah right now. Obviously, this is only OTA's and whatnot, but his attitude is spot on, and you can't teach 6'4 270 with speed. Either you have it, or you don't. Multiple defensive players for us have already marveled at Ogbah's physical attributes. Let's hope it continues when the pads come on in two months. Something tells me it will. Maybe not right away...but I really believe this guy is going to be a player.

 

We need a few things to go our way, no doubt about it. If they do, then we our Browns could have some pivotal defensive players for years to come. Orchard, Cooper, Nassib, Ogbah, and possibly some others. I mean, let's face it. Just about everything will depend on our DEFENSE. Hue Jackson likes to run the ball, so that means our defense will have to keep us in the damn game. Remember last year when we'd try to run it a bit early in the game, but then we'd punt immediately and be down 10-0, and then we had to pass every down? Yeah, that can't happen this season or we'll see the same result. We need some defensive players to REALLY step up and keep us in the game so we can mix the run in like Hue wants to. I'm dying to see what Hue can do with Duke and Crow.