D Bone Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 Kicking on the overtime flip made no difference to the outcome since our defense got the stop True we got the stop, but the end result of kicking saw them having 2 offensive possessions and us only 1....... analytics says no bueno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 True we got the stop, but the end result of kicking saw them having 2 offensive possessions and us only 1....... analytics says no bueno. I think it was a dumb call but not the reason we lost regardless. We lost solely because we couldn't make field goals. Can't miss 3 FGs inside the 50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Make-Believe Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 We need a kicker that can make 40 yard field goals in sunny Miami weather. Kicking on the overtime flip made no difference to the outcome since our defense got the stop Defense may have had the stop, but the Browns did have to start their drive on their own 9. I think that makes a difference. Not the reason we lost by any means, but I still don't agree with the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 True we got the stop, but the end result of kicking saw them having 2 offensive possessions and us only 1....... analytics says no bueno. I do not think that word means what you think it means Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns_Fucking_Rule Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 Inability to commit to the running game is what I think hurts the most. How is that you can get 8 yards on 1st down and then get all pass happy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 I think it was a dumb call but not the reason we lost regardless. We lost solely because we couldn't make field goals. Can't miss 3 FGs inside the 50 Oh, definitely agree on that, no doubt...... Just hope Hue looks back at his kick decision and does some soul searching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 I do not think that word means what you think it means What word? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 I agree with all this. Especially the part about the ST's. How has Tabor lasted through all these different coaches? They look like they get penalized on almost every single return every single year. Our place kicking continues to lose close games every time inclusive of occasions they had the game winning kick opportunity like today and Ratbird game 2 in 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 Ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 What word? Analytics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 them having 2 offensive possessions and us only 1....... analytics says no bueno. our 1, cost us in penalized field position backwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 Analytics Possibly, not really sure anyone knows what it means..... I thought you were talking about bueno, and being from SoCal, I'm familiar with a little Mexican vernacular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browns52 Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 Kessler played good for his first start. Now teams have film on him and can adjust. Still he played much better than I expected him to. Outside of that it's hard to take much away from this game. We still lost to a garbage 0-2 team you are exactly correct. dolphins stink. they are going nowhere. this game,..just another way this team continues to lose. If it is not a blocked field goal returned for a td, its 3 missed fg's...the ol still has discipline issues as it's had forever, special teams ...yikes ..paztor completely turned the momentum around with his poor play. I guess there were no real kickers out there to be had..Oh well...that's the way it goes, it is what it is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 our 1, cost us in penalized field position backwards Yep, they flipped field position on us, and our youth showed itself at a bad time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 Possibly, not really sure anyone knows what it means..... I thought you were talking about bueno, and being from SoCal, I'm familiar with a little Mexican vernacular. Haha nope. I was being facetious anyway. I think common sense would also say it's no bueno. We have a kicker who's missed twice and an offense that's been pretty decent, why give them the ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 Possibly, not really sure anyone knows what it means..... I thought you were talking about bueno, and being from SoCal, I'm familiar with a little Mexican vernacular. Analytics...... Don't take a 6'5" 247 lbs Qb with the 2nd pick in the draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browns52 Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 Oh, definitely agree on that, no doubt...... Just hope Hue looks back at his kick decision and does some soul searching. If we had a good kicker he would not have to do any soul searching. can't miss 3 fg's like that. He played the percentage and got burned. if we had a mediocre kicker, we win this game, but this guy fucking stinks. i'm sure he will be gone anyway.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 Haha nope. I was being facetious anyway. I think common sense would also say it's no bueno. We have a kicker who's missed twice and an offense that's been pretty decent, why give them the ball? Exactly. Opening day I saw Del Rio go for 2 and the win on the road, and Hue could've (kinda/sorta) done the same thing on his opening drive if a 4th and 2 presented itself in the right area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 Haha nope. I was being facetious anyway. I think common sense would also say it's no bueno. We have a kicker who's missed twice and an offense that's been pretty decent, why give them the ball? Because BB did it? I did see some Sipe like passes from the kid. Looked like a wounded duck but ended up where they were supposed to. But to quote Josh Cribbs.... Damn, it seems like we almost always almost win...... And that's the real hurdle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 A win just gives us a lower draft choice. These last two games have been moral victories for us. Especially today with all the starters out and playing a third string rookie quarterback. There were plenty of mistakes from coaching to execution on the field. Lots of penalties but a lot of youngsters showing potential and fight. Poor field goal production but hey, the kicker was signed on Friday. What do we know after 3 games? On Offence: Running game is much better. Receivers of Pryor, Coleman, D. Johnson, Barnidge, (Gordon) etc. are dangerous. No QB, some issues on center-to-left Tackle and too many penalties. On Defence: Run Defence is much better with good line play and ILB tackles. No pass rush. We're still weak in the secondary. Special Teams: Mostly, we need to fix field goal percentage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opal312 Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 Not I; I see a team with mostly rookies and second year guys who are being coached up! Pryor, Crowell and Johnson all look like the real deal. If we had an offensive line we would have murdered Miami. We still should have creamed them and they know it! Paztor committing 5 costly penalties! There's no excuse for it! Not 5. Having no kicker is a front office gaffe. They had all off season to find a reliable kicker. Does anyone remember Sean Suisham from the Steelers who got hurt in the Hall of Fame Game 2015. I would give him a call; if he's not ready call someone else. But keep looking until you find a kicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opal312 Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 Look at the bright side; The team played better than anyone expected and should have won. We can find a kicker, we can replace Paztor, and Ray Horton's defense is better than anything Jim O Neal brought. It's getting better even though Haden, Coleman, Nassib, et al were out. It was better than Mingo and Gilbert for real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 Not I; I see a team with mostly rookies and second year guys who are being coached up..... Exactly what I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Buffalo Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 What I saw when I watched the game was an offense that is a QB and some 2 decent o linemen away from having a good offense. I saw a defense, despite its flaws and lack of playmakers, that is able to keep us in games. Everyone played hard. Kessler showed more smarts, guts, and ability than anyone thought he was gonna show. Hue has a team of rookies and street meat going out and playing their guys out and its obvious none of the players have given up yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 you are exactly correct. dolphins stink. they are going nowhere. this game,..just another way this team continues to lose. If it is not a blocked field goal returned for a td, its 3 missed fg's...the ol still has discipline issues as it's had forever, special teams ...yikes ..paztor completely turned the momentum around with his poor play. I guess there were no real kickers out there to be had..Oh well...that's the way it goes, it is what it is... on a few of pastors holds that a saw if he had not brought down sue , he would have killed kessler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 There's no such thing in moral victories. I'm a fan of foresight and the bigger picture, but 3 wins gets the first pick just the same as 0 wins does. This should have been a win. A culture shock is needed more than anything else. Hue is supposed to bring that. Hasn't happened yet - we're still shooting ourselves in the foot left and right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns_Fucking_Rule Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 There's no such thing in moral victories. I'm a fan of foresight and the bigger picture, but 3 wins gets the first pick just the same as 0 wins does. This should have been a win. A culture shock is needed more than anything else. Hue is supposed to bring that. Hasn't happened yet - we're still shooting ourselves in the foot left and right. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 I think it was a dumb call but not the reason we lost regardless. We lost solely because we couldn't make field goals. Can't miss 3 FGs inside the 50 Almost any professional kicker should be able to make a 40-49 yard kick when needed. https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/field-goal-percentage-40-to-49?season_id=13 2015 stats 40-49 yards: 1 Ryan Succop Tennessee Titans K 100.0% 1 Caleb Sturgis Miami Dolphins K 100.0% 1 Adam Vinatieri Indianapolis Colts K 100.0% 1 Matt Prater Detroit Lions K 100.0% 1 Nick Novak San Diego Chargers K 100.0% 6 Justin Tucker Baltimore Ravens K 90.9% 7 Blair Walsh Minnesota Vikings K 88.9% 8 Dustin Hopkins New Orleans Saints K 87.5% 8 Stephen Gostkowski New England Patriots K 87.5% 8 Dan Carpenter Buffalo Bills K 87.5% 11 Chandler Catanzaro Arizona Cardinals K 85.7% 11 Dan Bailey Dallas Cowboys K 85.7% 13 Cairo Santos Kansas City Chiefs K 84.6% 14 Steven Hauschka Seattle Seahawks K 80.0% 14 Josh Brown New York Giants K 80.0% 16 Graham Gano Carolina Panthers K 78.9% 17 Chris Boswell New York Giants K 78.6% 18 Robbie Gould Chicago Bears K 77.8% 18 Travis Coons Cleveland Browns K 77.8% 20 Mike Nugent Cincinnati Bengals K 76.9% 21 Mason Crosby Green Bay Packers K 75.0% 21 Phil Dawson San Francisco 49ers K 75.0% 21 Jason Myers Jacksonville Jaguars K 75.0% 24 Brandon McManus Denver Broncos K 72.7% 24 Randy Bullock Houston Texans K 72.7% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 on a few of pastors holds that a saw if he had not brought down sue , he would have killed kessler Yep. Sometimes a hold beats letting a cheap shot artist injure your QB. My issue is the kicker, especially with Robbie Gould still unemployed. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 I'm a fan of foresight and the bigger picture, but 3 wins gets the first pick just the same as 0 wins Wrongo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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