The Gipper Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Where have Top 50 QBs in history been drafted? Take a look at this list Let the debate begin. Tom Brady* Still in top form at age 38, he has done enough to surpass his boyhood idol Joe Montana and mainly without a superstar wide receiver Johnny Unitas Dominated a bruising era with 10 Pro Bowl appearances, revolutionizing the position with his versatility and play calling Joe Montana Showed tremendous poise and decision-making in the West Coast offense, finishing as the season leader in completion percentage five times Peyton Manning Owns perhaps the greatest arm in football history and nobody has thrown more touchdown passes or made more Pro Bowl appearances Steve Young ..Supplemental draftA great scrambling quarterback who led the NFL in passer rating six times, he would be higher on this list if not for sitting behind Montana and his stint in the USFL Otto Graham The consummate winner, he never missed a game in his career and was consistently among the best statistical leaders year after year John Elway One of the game’s great leaders, the Broncos legend carried his team on his shoulders with his big arm, exceptional running ability and clutch plays Dan Marino A cannon arm and quick release helped the Dolphins legend post enormous stats Bart Starr Perhaps the most accurate and efficient quarterback of his era, challenging Unitas as the top quarterback of the 1960s Sammy Baugh The most versatile player on this list, and the first truly great quarterback in football history Brett Favre Few quarterbacks have been as good for as long as Favre, who posted stellar career stats Roger Staubach..due to military committment The most talented quarterback of the 1970s, the Cowboys legend would be higher on this list if he hadn’t started his career at age 27 because of a Navy commitment Fran Tarkenton Arguably the all-time greatest running quarterback, the Vikings’ star found a way to keep his team in games with his ingenuity and deep passes Drew Brees* Though overshadowed by Brady and Peyton, Brees has been a warrior for the Saints in nine Pro Bowl seasons and remains a star Norm Van Brocklin Went to the Pro Bowl nine times and posted numbers nearly as good as the likes of Unitas, Graham and Starr Dan Fouts Like Marino, Fouts was a hard-nosed quarterback with a great arm who is overlooked because of a lack of team success Aaron Rodgers* Owns the highest career passer rating (104.1) and will no doubt quickly climb this list before his career is over Bob Griese One of the smartest minds in football helped the Dolphins finish with the highest winning percentage in the 1970s while reaching six Pro Bowls Sonny Jurgensen Somewhat overlooked because of Unitas and Starr in the 1960s, he deserves recognition for his precise passes, consistency and toughness Terry Bradshaw Surrounded by great talent, the three-time Pro Bowler was nevertheless a strong-armed leader of one of the most accomplished teams in NFL history and an underrated scrambler Len Dawson Probably the game’s most accurate passer, the Chiefs legend even posted strong numbers very late in his career Troy Aikman Like Bradshaw, Aikman won with great talent around him, but that shouldn’t detract from his excellent accuracy, smart decisions and impressive passing strength Warren Moon A master of the run-and-shoot offense, he played in a staggering eight Pro Bowls despite starting his NFL career at age 28 Bobby Layne Mastered the two-minute drill, willed his team to titles, and all the while put up big numbers Y.A. Tittle The two-time MVP had a hard-luck career when it came to winning championships, but was an undeniable talent in the 1950s and particularly the early 1960s Ken Anderson Easily among the most underrated players on this list, this huge talent did so much despite being surrounded by so little Joe Namath Broadway Joe’s suspect stats don’t tell the story of his big arm, quick release and gutsy play Ben Roethlisberger* Quality talent has surrounded Big Ben over his career, but he has also proven to be a very accurate passer, a good scrambler and difficult guy to sack Sid Luckman Led the league in QB rating three times and helped Chicago win four titles over a span of seven seasons Ken Stabler In his prime years, the southpaw was crucial to the Raiders’ success and is among the most clutch players on this list Donovan McNabb Made the Pro Bowl six times while keeping the Eagles competitive with his consistent play Roman Gabriel One of the all-time strongest quarterbacks who sometimes seemed impossible to sack, the Rams star was unfortunately overshadowed by guys like Staubach and Tarkenton Jim Kelly Like Young, spent the early portion of his career in the USFL, but still went to five Pro Bowls over 11 NFL seasons Kurt Warner Began and ended his NFL career with big seasons, and threw a gorgeous spiral with tremendous accuracy Randall Cunningham Probably had the strongest arm the game has ever seen, and was also a gifted scrambler George Blanda A former backup to Layne, he played big when it counted, and also at various positions, until he was 48 Drew Bledsoe The four-time Pro Bowler was equipped with an excellent arm and a sharp mind Philip Rivers* Overlooked because of a lack of mobility and team success, he still has one of the best arms in football and has posted a QB Rating over 100 in four seasons John Brodie Consistent, hard-nosed signal caller who was often as accurate as the superstars of his era, and even shined late in his career Eli Manning* Hasn't posted huge numbers compared to his peers, but often steps up when it counted and was consistent Steve McNair At his best, he was as good as anyone on this list, throwing bulls-eye passes and running for first downs when his team needed them most Michael Vick* The fastest man on this list and the only one to rush for 1,000 yards, he would be ranked higher had he not been away from the game in his prime years Bob Waterfield Had a short career that began after World War II, but he consistently had among the best stats in his era Rich Gannon A do-everything quarterback, he thrived when he had better talent around him, reaching the Pro Bowl four times with the Raiders Tony Romo* Has enjoyed a better career than most give him credit for, and will move up this list if he can effectively overcome recent injuries John Hadl Posted 33,503 passing yards in 166 starts during the 1960s and 1970s, as a four-time AFL All-Star and a two-time Pro Bowler Archie Manning Didn’t have the offensive line or the receivers to prove his worth, but could create plays and had a good arm Boomer Esiason Didn’t have the spotlight during an era that featured Montana, Marino and others, but he threw 247 touchdowns and went to four Pro Bowls Joe Theismann Posted some strong seasons for Redskins’ squads that were consistently competitive Phil Simms The two-time Pro Bowler cracks this list behind solid numbers after his 20s *Active player Red: #1 overall Purple: Top 5 Blue: Top 10 Green: over #100 or UDFA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Note: 24 of the 50 have been Top 10 draft picks. 7 of the Top 50 have been below pick #100....or were UDFA 18 were between picks 11-99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Some belong in the top 5 and some dont, Gip.... Just because a guy is the top QB in his class....that does not automatically make him a top 5 pick..... Lots of history to back that up too..... Trubisky is no where NEAR the type of prospect that Manning, Aikman & Elway were.....not even close.... Just ask Blake Bortles, EJ Manuel, Jamarcus Russell, Vince Young, Ryan Leaf, David Carr, RGIII and the rest of the cant miss crowd..... And, Trubisky is not rated as high as most of these guys were.....he just isnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Some belong in the top 5 and some dont, Gip.... Just because a guy is the top QB in his class....that does not automatically make him a top 5 pick..... Lots of history to back that up too..... Trubisky is no where NEAR the type of prospect that Manning, Aikman & Elway were.....not even close.... Just ask Blake Bortles, EJ Manuel, Jamarcus Russell, Vince Young, Ryan Leaf, David Carr, RGIII and the rest of the cant miss crowd..... And, Trubisky is not rated as high as most of these guys were.....he just isnt Exactly... That's why you don't pick one this year. Build the defense, go with Kessler or whoever and worry about QB next year. Kizer might be the only one I'd consider this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns1216 Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 i'd rather fix the defense first. whoever the Browns draft is going to get killed and be forced to play catch-up because the defense lets up 30 points a game. stick with Kessler and fix the pass rush and secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runyon27 Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Some belong in the top 5 and some dont, Gip.... Just because a guy is the top QB in his class....that does not automatically make him a top 5 pick..... Lots of history to back that up too..... Trubisky is no where NEAR the type of prospect that Manning, Aikman & Elway were.....not even close.... Just ask Blake Bortles, EJ Manuel, Jamarcus Russell, Vince Young, Ryan Leaf, David Carr, RGIII and the rest of the cant miss crowd..... And, Trubisky is not rated as high as most of these guys were.....he just isnt The question isn't whether he is highly rated as 3 of the best QBs of all time. The question is, is he a franchise QB. Maybe needs to sit a year but if you believe he is a franchise caliber QB then you draft him, if you don't then take the best non-QB player available. Because next year if they do improve, you won't get your pick of the QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 right....anyone who lived through the Couch years should know "why" this isnt the time to pick a QB high..... Until this FO figures out how to build a solid foundation and the importance of winning in the trenches, it's pointless to add random skill players....ala 1st round WR's and a project QB.....who will fail miserably.....or get hurt....or not develop because they have no chance to.... We need IMPACT players....not projects.....(and we have a shit ton of projects, btw....drafted 14 of em just last year).....and we will draft a bunch more with our many many middling picks this year.....lets use the few good picks on KNOWN good players.... Get 2 dominant lines and see where that takes ya.....(hint....a lot further than an avg WR and QB project will) The question isn't whether he is highly rated as 3 of the best QBs of all time. The question is, is he a franchise QB. Maybe needs to sit a year but if you believe he is a franchise caliber QB then you draft him, if you don't then take the best non-QB player available. Because next year if they do improve, you won't get your pick of the QBs. If you read Gips posts(which I was replying to), he is clearly saying that.....if we draft Trubisky at #1, then the odds say he'll be a star....and I say BS.... And I agree.....IF you think he's a franchise QB, then pick him.....I just dont see that he is.....and dont think the consensus see's that either.....just think we are QB desperate and he is the top rated one, so people are ready to over pay and hope..... and, this year, I dont want to do that.....at least with a prospect not rated to be there......I rather over pay and hope on a top 5 player, instead of a top 20 player(with a very limited resume) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Some belong in the top 5 and some dont, Gip.... Just because a guy is the top QB in his class....that does not automatically make him a top 5 pick..... Lots of history to back that up too..... Trubisky is no where NEAR the type of prospect that Manning, Aikman & Elway were.....not even close.... Well, OK, those are probably 3 of the Top 10 QBs in football history. So, he ranks just outside the Top 10. Just ask Blake Bortles, EJ Manuel, Jamarcus Russell, Vince Young, Ryan Leaf, David Carr, RGIII and the rest of the cant miss crowd..... And, Trubisky is not rated as high as most of these guys were.....he just isnt Not rated as high? Maybe.....but will be better......I put him in the Aaron Rodgers class. Maybe we can get him at #24 like Rodgers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Exactly... That's why you don't pick one this year. Build the defense, go with Kessler or whoever and worry about QB next year. Kizer might be the only one I'd consider this year. No, fucking hell no. Seriously? As a Browns fan you want to endure another year of quarterback hell? Not I. I DO want that defense built up, yes. But that is why the Browns made the trades they did: to get a QB and to build their defense. What do we have? another 12-14 picks? How about making some of these high picks we have used in the past on defense pay off in addition to drafting a couple more (DBs)? Ogbah, Shelton, Orchard, Nassib, Cooper. All top 3 round picks no? How about signing a real free agent or two to help the defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 And I agree.....IF you think he's a franchise QB, then pick him.....I just dont see that he is.....and dont think the consensus see's that either.....just think we are QB desperate and he is the top rated one, so people are ready to over pay and hope..... and, this year, I dont want to do that.....at least with a prospect not rated to be there......I rather over pay and hope on a top 5 player, instead of a top 20 player(with a very limited resume) I know Brian Billick is a hated name around here, but he's a smart football guy. Something I've heard him say, "Need is a terrible evaluator of talent". We do need a QB, but we can't let that need over value a QB because that doesn't help anything. I watched a lot of the 2nd half of Triblowski's game and wasn't impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Gip, let me ask you this. You don't want to endure another year of QB hell, but you want to bring in a top 5 pick that clearly won't be ready to be an immediate contributor? I trust you see the contradiction in your argument here..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 No, fucking hell no. Seriously? As a Browns fan you want to endure another year of quarterback hell? Not I. I DO want that defense built up, yes. But that is why the Browns made the trades they did: to get a QB and to build their defense. What do we have? another 12-14 picks? How about making some of these high picks we have used in the past on defense pay off in addition to drafting a couple more (DBs)? Ogbah, Shelton, Orchard, Nassib, Cooper. All top 3 round picks no? How about signing a real free agent or two to help the defense? And what if we take Triblowski #1 overall and he turns out to be David Carr? You're still in QB hell and you wasted a chance to get a defensive monster because you over valued a QB because we need one. There isn't a QB worth the #1 overall pick. Figure out the guy on defense who will be a stud and take him. Certailny looks to me like Bosa is better than both QB's taken at ahead of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 If you read Gips posts(which I was replying to), he is clearly saying that.....if we draft Trubisky at #1, then the odds say he'll be a star....and I say BS.... That is right, BS....as is you don't know shit from Shinola as to whether he will be a star or not. Fact is, he has as equal chance of being one as not. And I agree.....IF you think he's a franchise QB, then pick him.....I just dont see that he is.. Well, that is where we disagree. People didn't think Aaron Rodgers would be a franchise QB...waited till #24 to take him...including the Browns....how does that look? Like a fucking shit stupid move, that is how that looks. ...and dont think the consensus see's that either.....just think we are QB desperate and he is the top rated one, so people are ready to over pay and hope..... Well, the Browns are QB desperate....that is why you go and get one. and, this year, I dont want to do that.....at least with a prospect not rated to be there......I rather over pay and hope on a top 5 player, instead of a top 20 player(with a very limited resume) Or, I would rather take a Top #1 player......and that is what we need. The point of this thread is that by far the greatest QBs of all time were most top, top draft picks. So, we have the top pick for the first time in 15 years.......go get a motherfucking quaterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDawg31 Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Where is the Trubisky is not rated high coming from? Look at the mocks he is in the top 3 of most and top 6 of every mock I have found. Kiper has him as the top QB in this class. I just don't get where some of you say he is not rated high? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDawg31 Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 And what if we take Triblowski #1 overall and he turns out to be David Carr? You're still in QB hell and you wasted a chance to get a defensive monster because you over valued a QB because we need one. There isn't a QB worth the #1 overall pick. Figure out the guy on defense who will be a stud and take him. Certailny looks to me like Bosa is better than both QB's taken at ahead of him. and if garrett turns out to be another courtney brown, where are we then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Where is the Trubisky is not rated high coming from? Look at the mocks he is in the top 3 of most and top 6 of every mock I have found. Kiper has him as the top QB in this class. I just don't get where some of you say he is not rated high? I believe it's comparing the ratings to QB's in other drafts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 and if garrett turns out to be another courtney brown, where are we then? still looking for a QB clearly. There's examples of busts at every position. Much more often with the QB's however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 I know Brian Billick is a hated name around here, but he's a smart football guy. Something I've heard him say, "Need is a terrible evaluator of talent". We do need a QB, but we can't let that need over value a QB because that doesn't help anything. I watched a lot of the 2nd half of Triblowski's game and wasn't impressed. Well, if we shouldn't draft for what we need...then why don't we take a Left Tackle....or a Left guard. This team needs everything. Every pick we make will likely be for need. So we may as well draft for need. Fact is.....we probably DO need an edge rusher and a couple of quality DBs more than we need a QB. So, lets not draft them either? Championships are made by: A. Great QBs, B. Great defenses. We've got to work on both, sure. But....we need ONE QB....and about 5 defensive players. Get the one guy...then work on the rest. Get MT at #1....then LB/DB/DL at #12.....and the same at #33...and an OC at #45. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 right...we can all site examples of failures till we are blue in the face....and we can all agree that ANY pick is a gamble and there are no guarantees....no matter who you pick.... But...I would say this....each draft there is a handful of truly "blue chip" players.....usually just a couple or a few.....and these players are your "best bet".....and if you can get a blue chip player, you do it....period And if you pass on a blue chip player, just to fill a need, then you are making a grave error(which we have done over and over)... And....I think if we are looking at the 2017 draft class, there are less than 5 blue chips.....and none of them are named Trubisky..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 I believe it's comparing the ratings to QB's in other drafts. He Kiper, or he, me? I think Trubisky is a better prospect than any QB that came out last year. At least equal to Mariota\Bortles as a prospect. Maybe not Winston....or Luck...but anyone but in the last 3-4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 and if garrett turns out to be another courtney brown, where are we then?I was gonna say basically the same thing. Through the years I've seen many so called DL monsters that were supposed to eat QB's and shit running backs. There's been busts on both sides of the line...there are no sure fire picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 He Kiper, or he, me? I think Trubisky is a better prospect than any QB that came out last year. At least equal to Mariota\Bortles as a prospect. Maybe not Winston....or Luck...but anyone but in the last 3-4 years. Blake Bortles? He sucks.....if hes equal to that stiff we shouldn't draft him till at least the 5th round. Mariotta is 100 times the QB that Bortles is. It's an insult to Mariotta to put him in the same class as Bortles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Great post.. I was a bit surprised not to see Billy Kilmer on the list.. But I kind of understand why... He was probably more flash in the pan like Vince Ferragamo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 right...we can all site examples of failures till we are blue in the face....and we can all agree that ANY pick is a gamble and there are no guarantees....no matter who you pick.... But...I would say this....each draft there is a handful of truly "blue chip" players.....usually just a couple or a few.....and these players are your "best bet".....and if you can get a blue chip player, you do it....period And if you pass on a blue chip player, just to fill a need, then you are making a grave error(which we have done over and over)... And....I think if we are looking at the 2017 draft class, there are less than 5 blue chips.....and none of them are named Trubisky..... Again....you don't know shit about whether MT is a blue chip player. I say you are dead wrong and he is a blue chipper....far more than the HGH factory of Alabama players. And we are not passing on any of these blue chippers to fill a need....we are taking a blue chipper to fill a need. I wanted to fill a need last year....and advocated for Bosa. How did our NOT drafting to fill a need work out there. I wanted Khalil Mack, but we traded down to take Gilbert. How did our not drafting to fill an need there work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Blake Bortles? He sucks.....if hes equal to that stiff we shouldn't draft him till at least the 5th round. Mariotta is 100 times the QB that Bortles is. It's an insult to Mariotta to put him in the same class as Bortles. I understand....but what I am saying is that Bortles coming out was a highly rated draft prospect about equal to Mariota. Bortles has not live up to his prospect rating. And sure....MT certainly, like every other player drafted, may not live up to my expectations of him. But so may anyone else we choose, be it a DB (Gilbert)...or a Courtney Brown or a Gerard Warren or many others. And yes, the Browns record of drafting QBs is absolutlely dismal. But does that mean we should quit? I think not. I didn't win the lottery last time I played. That does not mean that I won't try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 That's what Jax said when they drafted Blake shoots blanks. If it's a year where the right one exists there - I'd be more inclined to agree with your line of thinking Gipper. Who could you make a case for this year? And why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Great post.. I was a bit surprised not to see Billy Kilmer on the list.. But I kind of understand why... He was probably more flash in the pan like Vince Ferragamo Kilmer top 50 all time? I think not. On that list they have Drew Bledsoe. Not sure he fits. If he does, should not Vinny Testaverde be on it. Vinny is in like Top Ten in nearly every passing category (including career Ints.). These lists also vastly overrate more recent QBs. You don't see Arnie Herber. All he did was win like 3-4 titles with the Packers. Or...how about Frank Ryan? He has one of the best passing yard per completions and TD pct. figures in NFL history...yet no love for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 That's what Jax said when they drafted Blake shoots blanks. If it's a year where the right one exists there - I'd be more inclined to agree with your line of thinking Gipper. Who could you make a case for this year? And why? He's making the case for 1 year college starter Triblowski. I imagine mostly because he's from Cleveland (Mentor HS). I saw the bowl game and he isn't ready for primetime. Can't take a guy #1 overall if he's gonna sit on the bench waiting. We are still in QB hell drafting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 He's making the case for 1 year college starter Triblowski. I imagine mostly because he's from Cleveland (Mentor HS). I saw the bowl game and he isn't ready for primetime. Can't take a guy #1 overall if he's gonna sit on the bench waiting. We are still in QB hell drafting him. Using your logic Mark, did you happen to see Garrett in his bowl game? Not very impressive if you asked me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Using your logic Mark, did you happen to see Garrett in his bowl game? Not very impressive if you asked me. I actually didn't see that game but I saw him earlier and wasn't impressed there either. Supposedly he was playing with some kind of ankle problem which is also a red flag. I think Allen from Alabama might be a better choice. I liked the DL from Tennessee too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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