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Kizer or Hogan

PoeticG

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At the end of the day we all want that feeling that we had all through PreSeason, that feeling of winning! I can only imagine the feeling of winning four straight games during the regular season. Decide who gives us the best chance to win.  

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  1. 1. Which Quarterback should be the starter this week verses the Bengals?

    • DeShone Kizer
      27
    • Kevin Hogan
      11
    • Cody Kessler
      2

  2. 2. Should the backup QB be brought in from time to time to run some spark plays? I mean, should the coaches draw up an alternate playbook for example, Kevin Hogan, to run? That could bring another wrinkle to the game. Hogan is capable to run some option/wildcat plays with Peppers at HB or Duke/Crow..

    • Yes - We should certainly be working ways to get all of our skill players involved.
      15
    • No - The offense is already having a hard enough time getting the ball off before the snap.
      25

  3. 3. Should Hue Jackson get an Offensive Coordinator or maybe get a "Head Coach" / "Game Management Coach" to help him on the sidelines?

    • Yes
      30
    • No
      10

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hoorta Veteran

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21 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:

Agree, but despite Hue begging no one else in the QB room stood up and took the job. It was supposed to be Kess'... he turned it down. It was handed to Brock... he dropped it like a hot potato. And surprise of surprises the stage did not look too big for our rookie.

Which one? :)  Game one, I agree not. After that- regression (probably to be expected) every game since.  

I'll just throw this out there- have there ever been any long term QB successes in the NFL if the guy had accuracy issues? Seriously, do you think Deshone can improve in that area? I'm doubting it. 

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Thats exactly my take aswell, Kizer is starting because he "Fits" Hue Jackson's QB Mold not because he is the best QB on the roster. Much in the same way that RG3 was outplayed by josh mccown all last offseason yet Hue Named him starter. Lets not forget the reports of Hue Spending so much time in the first offseason with the RG3 reclaimation project that he drew criticism for not fully preparing the rest of the team. Like in the same way this offseason Hue focused so much time on developing kizer that our overall offense is some of the worst in the league.

Hue is a man of great Arrogance and Ego. The reported power struggle in oakland which led him to being fired is starting to become apparent. From an analytics perspective this team's roster is designed around quick short passing with RAC chances with a short yardage SIMPLE running game. Too bad we are playing a pass happy vertical offense and an overly complicated running scheme (and non-existant) without the players to support it.

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^Tour, I'm am telling you that Hue is single handedly destroying any chance we have of winning a game by playing Kizer. 

I said it, in the preseason and I'm still saying it again, Kevin Hogan is legit...

Jackson has a capable QB, Hogan- right under his nose and he's too blinded with 'wanting' Kizer to be good.

I'm not going to debate with you on what you 'know' and what you 'think' I know - I'm just telling you - I know what I know, and I know that Kevin Hogan makes us a totally different team.

To listen to the media and then to listen to Hue and his press conferences it is frustrating. Especially when you 'know' that fixing this team is as simple as starting Kevin Hogan. I know that.

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Po... I did not initiate the knowledge comparison. Just letting you know I'm up for it anytime you like.

3 hours ago, hoorta said:

Which one? :)  Game one, I agree not. After that- regression (probably to be expected) every game since.  

I'll just throw this out there- have there ever been any long term QB successes in the NFL if the guy had accuracy issues? Seriously, do you think Deshone can improve in that area? I'm doubting it. 

Talking pre-season, h... that cast the die.

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2 hours ago, CaineDeSoulis said:

Thats exactly my take aswell, Kizer is starting because he "Fits" Hue Jackson's QB Mold not because he is the best QB on the roster.

Posted a similar thought somewhere around here except more in the vein that Hue is molding Kizer to play in Hue's offense. No doubt that Kizer's physical gifts play a role.

But I maintain that starting Kizer Week 1 was not the original plan.

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It almost doesn't matter. These idiots in the front office have seen to it that whether or not any of these gambles that they've taken can play the game there's no one left on the team to Mentor anyone. Absolutely no veteran leadership to be seen. 

Yes I understand the youth movement I also understand it would be better with Josh McCown with Joe Haden and better with Gary Barnidge.. the old guys could help the young guys and we have players that actually know the game. Address them next year if you feel they have to go but...

This is getting ridiculous. I don't think Ozzie Newsome went to Harvard.

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another way to look at it.....some interesting numbers about our FO's activity......in their almost 2 years here, we have drafted 23 players, had 17 trades and signed 6 FA's(not counting the dozens of lower level FA's & Udfa'S).....SO, just trades and Drafts equal 40 specific, planned roster moves.....now, what do we have to show for ALL those moves in terms of quality NFL starters or top level performers?.....a couple or few?.....remember 40 moves, not counting the crapola UDFA types......

turble....

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9 minutes ago, Westside Steve said:

And before you remind me that Gary barnidge still doesn't have a job neither would Kenny Britt if we wouldn't have ponied up

WSS

I keep hearing those types of comments....basically indicating that it's ok for the fo to suck, because where's Ray Farmer?....or it's ok for our new players to suck, because the guys they replaced werent that good either?....dumbest schlock Ive ever heard....

Hey....if that^^^^^^ is your defense of this FO, then you dont understand the only reason they are here.......to "improve" the team, not to maintain the ineptness....(which is at a new low, too)

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18 minutes ago, Mudfly said:

another way to look at it.....some interesting numbers about our FO's activity......in their almost 2 years here, we have drafted 23 players, had 17 trades and signed 6 FA's(not counting the dozens of lower level FA's & Udfa'S).....SO, just trades and Drafts equal 40 specific, planned roster moves.....now, what do we have to show for ALL those moves in terms of quality NFL starters or top level performers?.....a couple or few?.....remember 40 moves, not counting the crapola UDFA types......

turble....

and if the talent we have is being used in the wrong way/system then is it really fair to judge the FO for the BLATENT waste of any talent we may have. You can pretty much discount last year under Horton and the defense has shown flashes of excellence this year and plenty of growing pains. The offense has been Hilariously stagnant for all of Hue's Tenure as HC AND has shown ZERO improvement in over 20 games. If kessler is a FO pick i can see it. Short yardage High Percentage Passing Specialist Got it. This Defense Last year with Kesslers Play and we win 4-5 games. It aint flashy, it aint highlight real Stuff. Its consistent football that pays dividends in the W column. All we have is the Deep ball Thats it. And our offense is not built for that its designed to take advantage of Mesh/Cross concepts and RAC. A Key concept behind the "Moneyball" strategy was Consistently picking and utilizing gameplans that were high percentage of success. It's going to take someone A LOT smarter than me to explain how throwing a low percentage deep pass as much as we throw short is in compliance with that style. or how using a RB with limited vision in delayed Shotgun handoffs is a winning formula. 

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30 minutes ago, CaineDeSoulis said:

and if the talent we have is being used in the wrong way/system then is it really fair to judge the FO for the BLATENT waste of any talent we may have. You can pretty much discount last year under Horton and the defense has shown flashes of excellence this year and plenty of growing pains. The offense has been Hilariously stagnant for all of Hue's Tenure as HC AND has shown ZERO improvement in over 20 games. If kessler is a FO pick i can see it. Short yardage High Percentage Passing Specialist Got it. This Defense Last year with Kesslers Play and we win 4-5 games. It aint flashy, it aint highlight real Stuff. Its consistent football that pays dividends in the W column. All we have is the Deep ball Thats it. And our offense is not built for that its designed to take advantage of Mesh/Cross concepts and RAC. A Key concept behind the "Moneyball" strategy was Consistently picking and utilizing gameplans that were high percentage of success. It's going to take someone A LOT smarter than me to explain how throwing a low percentage deep pass as much as we throw short is in compliance with that style. or how using a RB with limited vision in delayed Shotgun handoffs is a winning formula. 

Limited vision? Ray Charles had limited vision. The crow is blind.-_-

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3 hours ago, Westside Steve said:

And before you remind me that Gary barnidge still doesn't have a job neither would Kenny Britt if we wouldn't have ponied up

And you know that how?

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