Browns vs Lions

[dawg2fan]

4 minutes ago, BaconHound said:

I guess where I'm at is what constitutes improvement? I would hate to tie anyone to a number but is 2-14 improvement? 6-42 is the worst 3 year span I believe since the league expanded to 16 games.  That means the Browns might need 5 wins next year to avoid it.

I would expect no less than that.  As a matter of fact, I would expect us to win 6+ games next year.  

[stillmotion]

4 minutes ago, dawg2fan said:

I would expect no less than that.  As a matter of fact, I would expect us to win 6+ games next year.  

Really? exactly how? The way things are working now?

[DieHardBrownsFan]

I would expect us to suck a s  s  next year unless we get rid of the FO and coaching staff.

[wargograw]

1 hour ago, stillmotion said:

I was being sarcastic. It's beyond ridiculous to make anyone wait till 1-46 to make a change. Doing the same thing over and over is insanity. If you don't believe Hue needs to either get an offensive coordinator or take a hike, you obviously don't know football.

I never said he shouldn’t get an OC. 

[Orion]

So I just finished reading all this.  

I didn't follow football today as my best friend, a Viking fan, is in medical intensive care in an induced sleep state with lung infections that they're trying to figure out.   (ok...so I watched a little of McCown and the Jets while he slept with a big tube in his mouth).  -  say a quick prayer for my lifelong best friend ok -

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I guess we screwed up again before the end of the half.  - A couple weeks ago Kizer scored on a sneak...but it's easier if you're CLOSE to the goal line.

Kenny Britt scored a TD.  Now ya know why Buddy Ryan made that comment, All he does is catch TD passes....it's because that's the only time that they actually TRY to get open and catch a pass.

As always, some people say that we made some progress and others want everyone fired.     I'll have to watch with my Game Pass in a couple of days.

How badly was Kizer hurt?

And did our D wear down because of the offense?  

 

[BaconHound]

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21 minutes ago, Orion said:

So I just finished reading all this.  

I didn't follow football today as my best friend, a Viking fan, is in medical intensive care in an induced sleep state with lung infections that they're trying to figure out.   (ok...so I watched a little of McCown and the Jets while he slept with a big tube in his mouth).  -  say a quick prayer for my lifelong best friend ok -

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I guess we screwed up again before the end of the half.  - A couple weeks ago Kizer scored on a sneak...but it's easier if you're CLOSE to the goal line.

Kenny Britt scored a TD.  Now ya know why Buddy Ryan made that comment, All he does is catch TD passes....it's because that's the only time that they actually TRY to get open and catch a pass.

As always, some people say that we made some progress and others want everyone fired.     I'll have to watch with my Game Pass in a couple of days.

How badly was Kizer hurt?

And did our D wear down because of the offense?  

 

Kizer will be ok and the defense played poorly after Lawrence Taylor, I mean Jamie Collins Sr got hurt.

[stillmotion]

23 minutes ago, wargograw said:

I never said he shouldn’t get an OC. 

Well, that's the basis of most of my arguments on here with the current regime. If you read into them instead of saying i'm "clueless", "stupid", or "ignorant" you'd know I never said to fire anyone, but that Hue needs an O.C. and Sashi needs an experienced GM. Sashi did great when he had a boss is Jacksonville.

[Clevfan4life]

2 hours ago, Ghoolie said:

. They ALL talk about how Ogbah is a one man wrecking crew

BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, omg omg bwaaahahahahahahaha holy sht I do hope u don't take urself srsly. Ogbah had the first 6-7 games of the season to be "the man" or the "wrecking crew"....he sucked. Infact he played worse overall than Nassib who also isn't very good. Nobody's calling Ogbah a one man wrecking crew. Ogbah has been consistently blocked by a TE on his side most of the season. In fairness I saw a TE seal the fuk out of nassib today which led to the RB getting around the edge for 20 or so yds. Today was a very bad day on run d once Collins got hurt. But please give me another chuckle on this "one man wrecking crew" we have who doesn't have as many carreer sacks as Joey Bosa had just last year in his rookie season.

Srsly if you need a primer on DL play I'd be more than happy to help you out so you can see what needs to be seen. I'm sure there's other guys here too that can point sht out to you. I'm not 100% uncritical of Garrett btw.....today he was taking "way" too fukking wide of a path to the QB and Stafford murdered us on the step all day. I don't know if that was by design or maybe Garrett felt his inside moves or his outside shoulder power moves weren't there today against Deckard. Today was not a terribly great game out of him but he didn't get absolutely torched in run defense either. All 3 other guys...orchard, Nassib and Ogbah made some really bad mistakes in run D that all broke for 10+ yd runs.

[Ghoolie#1fan]

I'm a Lions fan and I have a little insight in to this. Lions went 0-16 in 2008. They drafted Stafford #1 and they went 2-14 in his rookie year, which he went 2-8 and missed 6 games. We did get blown out quite a few times, but it was a big step forward from the 2008 team. In 2010 Stafford only played 3 games, but he had 6tds and 1int in those games. The Lions went 6-10 and lost a lot of games that were close. The third year after 0-16, Stafford played his first full season. We won 10 games and made the playoffs the first time in 12 seasons. Stafford had 5000 yards and 40tds. So basically we went 2-14, 6-10, 10-6 after going 0-16. Depending on how the Browns finish this year will tell if progress really has been made. I'd say 4-12 would be a natural progression where you can say ok we improved. 

 

Good game today by the way. I know I was dreading this game, as nobody wants to be the team to lose to a team without a win. Lions had a big game last week winning in Lambeau for the second time in 28 seasons. We were in a short week and came out flat for sure. The Lions in my opinion played one of their worse games today. The Browns are desperate and have nothing to lose, nobody wants to play a team like that. I will give up to Browns coaches a little bit, they came out with a great game plan and those first scripted plays were executed really well. Kizer played his best game perhaps. 

Good Luck the rest of the way.

[Clevfan4life]

7 minutes ago, Ghoolie#1fan said:

I'm a Lions fan and I have a little insight in to this. Lions went 0-16 in 2008. They drafted Stafford #1 and they went 2-14 in his rookie year, which he went 2-8 and missed 6 games. We did get blown out quite a few times, but it was a big step forward from the 2008 team. In 2010 Stafford only played 3 games, but he had 6tds and 1int in those games. The Lions went 6-10 and lost a lot of games that were close. The third year after 0-16, Stafford played his first full season. We won 10 games and made the playoffs the first time in 12 seasons. Stafford had 5000 yards and 40tds. So basically we went 2-14, 6-10, 10-6 after going 0-16. Depending on how the Browns finish this year will tell if progress really has been made. I'd say 4-12 would be a natural progression where you can say ok we improved. 

 

Good game today by the way. I know I was dreading this game, as nobody wants to be the team to lose to a team without a win. Lions had a big game last week winning in Lambeau for the second time in 28 seasons. We were in a short week and came out flat for sure. The Lions in my opinion played one of their worse games today. The Browns are desperate and have nothing to lose, nobody wants to play a team like that. I will give up to Browns coaches a little bit, they came out with a great game plan and those first scripted plays were executed really well. Kizer played his best game perhaps. 

Good Luck the rest of the way.

So ghoolie now has a Detroit alt he'll resurrect for every time we play the Lions.

[BaconHound]

2 minutes ago, Ghoolie#1fan said:

I'm a Lions fan and I have a little insight in to this. Lions went 0-16 in 2008. They drafted Stafford #1 and they went 2-14 in his rookie year, which he went 2-8 and missed 6 games. We did get blown out quite a few times, but it was a big step forward from the 2008 team. In 2010 Stafford only played 3 games, but he had 6tds and 1int in those games. The Lions went 6-10 and lost a lot of games that were close. The third year after 0-16, Stafford played his first full season. We won 10 games and made the playoffs the first time in 12 seasons. Stafford had 5000 yards and 40tds. So basically we went 2-14, 6-10, 10-6 after going 0-16. Depending on how the Browns finish this year will tell if progress really has been made. I'd say 4-12 would be a natural progression where you can say ok we improved. 

 

Good game today by the way. I know I was dreading this game, as nobody wants to be the team to lose to a team without a win. Lions had a big game last week winning in Lambeau for the second time in 28 seasons. We were in a short week and came out flat for sure. The Lions in my opinion played one of their worse games today. The Browns are desperate and have nothing to lose, nobody wants to play a team like that. I will give up to Browns coaches a little bit, they came out with a great game plan and those first scripted plays were executed really well. Kizer played his best game perhaps. 

Good Luck the rest of the way.

Appreciate the sentiment but please the Lions stink as well.  They may stink a bit less than the Browns but Stafford is 55-62.  I'm not hating on the Lions because you guys are the NFC's version of the Browns but the template for success isn't there.  Yes Stafford has made the Lions better than a cellar dweller but that is about it.

BTW with the direction the Browns are heading I'd take Detroit's limited success in a heartbeat.

[hoorta]

5 minutes ago, BaconHound said:

Appreciate the sentiment but please the Lions stink as well.  They may stink a bit less than the Browns but Stafford is 55-62.  I'm not hating on the Lions because you guys are the NFC's version of the Browns but the template for success isn't there.  Yes Stafford has made the Lions better than a cellar dweller but that is about it.

BTW with the direction the Browns are heading I'd take Detroit's limited success in a heartbeat.

Yup, 5-4 we're dancing in the streets...  

[BaconHound]

4 minutes ago, hoorta said:

Yup, 5-4 we're dancing in the streets...  

Don't really know who the original poster is but the mere thought of a Lions fans saying "hang in there guys some day you'll be as good as us", makes me want to punch someone.

[flyingfooldoug]

3 minutes ago, BaconHound said:

Don't really know who the original poster is but the mere thought of a Lions fans saying "hang in there guys some day you'll be as good as us", makes me want to punch someone.

Or a Bucs fan saying keep your chin up?

[Canton Dawg]

3 minutes ago, BaconHound said:

Don't really know who the original poster is but the mere thought of a Lions fans saying "hang in there guys some day you'll be as good as us", makes me want to punch someone.

Getting sympathy from a Lion’s fan makes me want to put a plastic bag over my head.

[BaconHound]

Just now, Canton Dawg said:

Getting sympathy from a Lion’s fan makes me want to put a plastic bag over my head.

LOL well at least the Browns Board is like our support group.

Hi I'm Bacon, I've been a Browns fan since 1985.  I've tried to avoid this horrible addiction but I can't seem to kick the habit.

[gumby73]

9 minutes ago, BaconHound said:

 makes me want to punch someone.

punch Cleve, but wait till he puts both Bosa Jerseys on

[BaconHound]

1 minute ago, gumby73 said:

punch Cleve, but wait till he puts both Bosa Jerseys on

Cleve is starting to crack a bit, a loss to the Jags may bring him to the dark side 

[Tacosman]

2 hours ago, dawg2fan said:

Frankly I don't care if we go 1-31 or 2-30.  Next year I expect to see improvement.  The players won't be so young.  And with the draft, we will be much better.  Now if next year we don't see improvement next year, then I will join the bandwagon as well to get rid of Hue.  And I do agree with most people on this board that we need an OC.  It's way too much for Hue to coach this team without one.

lmao....Hue isn't coming back for next year barring some turnaround.  You dont keep your job as a head coach if you set records for futility.

[Ghoolie#1fan]

25 minutes ago, BaconHound said:

Appreciate the sentiment but please the Lions stink as well.  They may stink a bit less than the Browns but Stafford is 55-62.  I'm not hating on the Lions because you guys are the NFC's version of the Browns but the template for success isn't there.  Yes Stafford has made the Lions better than a cellar dweller but that is about it.

BTW with the direction the Browns are heading I'd take Detroit's limited success in a heartbeat.

Stafford gets the least amount of help of any qb with a positive WPA (win percentage added) in NFL history. He has a game winning drive or 4th quarter comeback in 24.7% of his NFL starts. He's had a RB rush for 100 yards in 8 of 117 games the lowest rate in NFL history. He was drafted to the worse team in NFL history. The Lions have been a bad franchise but you can't put it on Stafford. 

We've made a lot of strides over past 5 years. We actually have a winning record under Caldwell. We're not a great team, but coming from 0-16 and not winning in Lambeau in 26 years or winning a road game in 3 years, we have realty improved. If we get a RB to help Stafford we'll be a contender. We're probably a wild card team this season. 

[Mark O]

12 minutes ago, Tacosman said:

lmao....Hue isn't coming back for next year barring some turnaround.  You dont keep your job as a head coach if you set records for futility.

No...we have to give him more time because 32 games isn't enough.   Not until he's 3-45 will we know that he's a shitty coach. 

[Canton Dawg]

22 minutes ago, BaconHound said:

LOL well at least the Browns Board is like our support group.

Hi I'm Bacon, I've been a Browns fan since 1985.  I've tried to avoid this horrible addiction but I can't seem to kick the habit.

My addiction started in 1967...thanks to my dad.

I find the Browns Board is more like a group therapy session, you know...misery loves company.

[Orion]

Hi, my name is Orion, I'm a man, and I can change, if I have to, I guess.  (The Red Green Show)

Lions fans pity us.  ugh....

We're about as low as it gets.  Especially with the 49'ers winning...we're the undisputed chumpions...so far.  

 

[flyingfooldoug]

5 hours ago, Orion said:

Hi, my name is Orion, I'm a man, and I can change, if I have to, I guess.  (The Red Green Show)

Lions fans pity us.  ugh....

We're about as low as it gets.  Especially with the 49'ers winning...we're the undisputed chumpions...so far.  

 

Thanks to Jimmah and Jimmah akone

[jiggins7919]

I'll write more later (I'm sure you all are so excited) but I don't have time right now. There's a part of me that is somewhat encouraged today, but honestly, there's a bigger part that is so completely aggrevated by our continued red zone buttfukkery. That series of events before the half just sent me into a tailspin. Now, I DO love how we responded, and that can't be understated, but we are a team that can NEVER leave points on the field, and I honestly don't know why we called our final timeout with just over a minute to go. I don't get it.... 

[TexasAg1969]

11 minutes ago, jiggins7919 said:

 I honestly don't know why we called our final timeout with just over a minute to go. I don't get it.... 

It's called poor clock management, something having a really good OC could cure in a heartbeat. But with Hue it's a chronic problem.

[jiggins7919]

I have to vent on something, and I'm going to do my absolute best to keep it from being TOO whiney and immature, but I am so COMPLETELY sick and effing tired of our offense trying the freaking "fade pass" to the corner of the end zone OVER AND OVER again.  I can't take it.  The only time I can remember it working is when Hogan threw a pass to Devalve when the Houston game was well out of hand, and other than that, I can probably count twenty failed attempts.  That interception at the end of the game yesterday was just so terrible, I couldn't even stop myself from screaming at the television like a mad man.  My dog slinked away and hid under the couch, and even the birds in the front yard scattered like a bomb detonated.  We run it SO MUCH that the defense is actually WAITING on it.  I mean, the defender just backed off of Louis and waited for the effing ball!  Ricardo got jammed like a little girl, and then looked to just give up on the pass.  It was freaking awful, and I want to know WHY we continue to run a play that essentially NEVER works for us.  

Isn't the definition of insanity trying the same thing but expecting a different result?  And why would we EVER run that route to Ricardo?  Has he ever really shown the ability to high-point the ball?  I know we were down 14 and the game was pretty much over for all intents and purposes, but we HAVE TO GET BETTER in the red zone, and this was a golden opportunity to get some work in.  I watched a highlight video of every touchdown scored this week, and do you have any idea how many TD's were scored from about the 5 yard line?  I didn't see hardly any fades thrown, but I did see an impressive diversity of successful playcalls, and I HAVE to believe we have SOMETHING up our sleeve besides that dreaded "jump ball" crap.  We can't do some misdirection?  We can't try a middle-shovel pass?  A QB draw? (not sneak, but draw).  We can't try the play where the QB runs to his right and throws the dig route to the WR?  How about a naked bootleg, or protected bootleg?  We need a breath of fresh air blown into our offense, and I am firmly on the "hire an OC" bandwagon.  What really hurts is how we can look somewhat decent all of the way UNTIL we get close to scoring, and then we just go stupid.  What really hurts is hearing Hue Jackson saying we work really hard on red zone execution during the week, and that's pretty scary.  

Something else too....the officials in the first half.  I know only losers complain about the officiating, and I don't normally do it, but they REALLY screwed us on that one drive, and it was repulsive.  The one on Shon Coleman was especially revolting, and even the announcer was like...."Uhhhh....I don't think I've seen that call before.  Coleman looked to be on the line to me, so I guess the officials are going to be calling it very close."  No, they aren't going to be calling it very close, because on several of the Lions' first half runs, there were worse holds on THEIR offense that weren't called.  It's fine if they want to call a super tight game, but that has to extend BOTH WAYS, and it really didn't.  We put together a very nice drive, Kizer made a nice throw to Britt for 30 yards, and the holding they called was so weak I couldn't believe it.  

[Mark O]

2 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said:

It's called poor clock management, something having a really good OC could cure in a heartbeat. But with Hue it's a chronic problem.

Its something that  poor head coach continues to struggle with.   It's been a struggle for 25 games now, I don't think he's going to suddenly "get it" in the 26th game either.   Maybe he just wanted to make sure to leave enough time for Detroit to score.

[Mark O]

2 hours ago, jiggins7919 said:

I have to vent on something, and I'm going to do my absolute best to keep it from being TOO whiney and immature, but I am so COMPLETELY sick and effing tired of our offense trying the freaking "fade pass" to the corner of the end zone OVER AND OVER again.  I can't take it. 

Again...its the HC and the guy calling the plays.    Kizer is not good at that throw.  Everyone of us who have watched the games can see it's not something he's good at.  Maybe it will improve with time or next training camp...but right now...he doesn't have it, so why fucking call it over and over again?  Because our coach is a fucking moron.   Same reason why in Hogan's start against the Texans he kept having him throw those deep out patterns that clearly Hogan doesn't have the arm for....but hell...its in the playbook so we're going to keep trying it.    Huey does not adjust his coaching to the players he has on the field.  He expects the players to run the plays that he thinks should work, regardless of skill set.  

It's the sign of a bad coach and hey...he's 1-24 and he's won 2 of his last 30...but lets give him more time to see if he improves.   

[Nero]

You definitely don't want a guy with a strong arm but accuracy problems to make throws putting air under the ball. I would prefer if he simply played curl, quick outs or other patterns where the ball has to get fast and the defender only can try to protect the pass and doesn't have a 50/50 shot on making an interception. Red zone efficiency sucks.