Tashaun Gipson Hopes to "Hang 40" on Browns

[Tour2ma]

1 hour ago, jiggins7919 said:

I have nothing bad to say about Gipson except that he needs to take the high road, and there's no reason to publicly say what he did.

Basically he's a butt-hurt lil bi-atch... we didn't pay him for the player he promised to be pre-injury... and looks to me like we were right to not do so.

					Games		Def Interceptions					Fumbles					Sacks & Tackles
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Int	Yds	TD	Lng	PD	FF	Fmb	FR	Yds	TD	Sk	Tkl	Ast	Sfty	AV
Career					75	67	18	430	2	67	30	1	1	1	0	0		223	92		27
4 yrs		CLE			50	42	14	324	2	62	23	1	1	0	0	0		156	79		20
2 yrs		JAX			25	25	4	106	0	67	7	0	0	1	0	0		67	13		7
2012	22	CLE	fs	39	10	3	1	23	0	23	1							23	6		2
2013	23	CLE	FS	39	16	15	5	143	1	44	12							63	31		6
2014*	24	CLE	FS	39	11	11	6	158	1	62	8	1	0	0	0	0		28	24		8
2015	25	CLE	FS/rcb	39	13	13	2	0	0	0	2	0	1	0	0	0		42	18		4
2016	26	JAX	FS	39	16	16	1	30	0	30	2							34	7		7
2017	27	JAX	FS	39	9	9	3	76	0	67	5	0	0	1	0	0		33	6

[Canton Dawg]

26 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:

Pretty sure that was not my reaction... lemme check...

Nope... wasn't...

Gee...it's not like we need a safety or anything.

 

[Tour2ma]

20 minutes ago, Canton Dawg said:

Gee...it's not like we need a safety or anything.

Not saying we don't... in fact I've repeatedly said we do.

Do you think Gip is worth the $36mm he was asking... that the Jags paid him?

https://overthecap.com/player/tashaun-gipson/307/

[Mark O]

39 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:

Not saying we don't... in fact I've repeatedly said we do.

Do you think Gip is worth the $36mm he was asking... that the Jags paid him?

https://overthecap.com/player/tashaun-gipson/307/

No...I don't think so.   I think at the time we might the right move.  Sometimes other teams are willing to pay a lot for a player.   Kinda like Travis Benjamin and the Chargers.

[Unsympathetic]

Gipson was a UDFA who played decently well for the Browns and got a big contract somewhere else.

He wasn't then and isn't now worth half that contract.  Let someone else overpay.

He's no better than the guys we have at safety now.

[Canton Dawg]

13 minutes ago, Unsympathetic said:

He's no better than the guys we have at safety now.

I hope you didn't type that with a straight face.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/tashaun-gipson/7288

[Tour2ma]

1 hour ago, Canton Dawg said:

I hope you didn't type that with a straight face. https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/tashaun-gipson/7288

Doesn't exactly hurt Gip and his 82.5 to be playing next to Barry Church (84.9) does it? Not to mention between Ramsey (90.7) and Bouye (88.7)... and their DL and LBs...

 

FYI... Kindred grades out at 78.5... a/k/a in the ball park.

Peppers? In the parking lot... but we all know he's playing out of position out of necessity.

Then there's McCourty who bests the lot of them at 92.5. BBC? Very respectable 83.0.

Taylor? Parking lot as well... but closer to the stadium.

[The Gipper]

19 hours ago, Orion said:

Sashi let him walk after being promoted from lawyer to beyond his competence level.

But...why?   Was it just over a bit of money?

How much is Jax paying him?

He fit the profile of the kind of guy they would want.   He was still very young.

Or was it just that he "wasn't our guy"......and/or over a piddling amount of money?

[The Gipper]

probably) sashi wanted to lowball him, draft someone else on the cheap, or get a couple UDFA

Wrong again.

Well then...what do you say is right?

[The Gipper]

14 hours ago, Ghoolie said:

I will tell you the bigger issue,  why isn't it we who get to talk trash about the steals we got from other teams? Or, are we actually successful at that but just don't see it clearly?

I gotta be honest with you, I have pretty much had my feel of fukckers blasting every damn thing about the Browns that could possibly be blasted. As if any of these caulk-suckers have the goose that laid the golden egg when it comes to building a football team.

Well, we kind of had that with Jamie Collins....but he can't stay on the field.   Browns also got Tretter and Zeitler.

[Canton Dawg]

1 hour ago, Tour2ma said:

Doesn't exactly hurt Gip and his 82.5 to be playing next to Barry Church (84.9) does it? Not to mention between Ramsey (90.7) and Bouye (88.7)... and their DL and LBs...

 

FYI... Kindred grades out at 78.5... a/k/a in the ball park.

Peppers? In the parking lot... but we all know he's playing out of position out of necessity.

Then there's McCourty who bests the lot of them at 92.5. BBC? Very respectable 83.0.

Taylor? Parking lot as well... but closer to the stadium.

The claim was Gipson is no better than what is currently on the Browns roster which is silly. 

BTW, Kindred is a SS while Gip is a FS. So it's not really an apples to apples comparison.

[stillmotion]

So y'all would have Jimmy stay incredibly under the cap and make more money instead of keeping a decent FS? Jesus. Dude was young and good, Sashi Brown's job is to make Jimmy a team to win for as cheap as possible, which is why we didn't resign him. It doesn't differ much from letting T.J. Ward go without even offering anything. We continue to develop players and then let them play somewhere else. Like Mudfly said awhile back, We cut a bunch of vets and people who were skilled and replaced them with basically infants who are inept. Sure, some of them will be decent, but will we ever get a playoff team without spending the Cap? And please don't say we're going to spend a lot of Cap this offseason and we've been waiting for the third offseason, because until we do it I don't believe it. In fact, I bet we'd let Josh Gordon walk even if he has a great end of the season just to save Jimmy money.

A large deal of the process has to do with saving JIMMY MONEY, if you want to argue against that, show me the proof.

[The Gipper]

42 minutes ago, stillmotion said:

So y'all would have Jimmy stay incredibly under the cap and make more money instead of keeping a decent FS? Jesus. Dude was young and good, Sashi Brown's job is to make Jimmy a team to win for as cheap as possible, which is why we didn't resign him. It doesn't differ much from letting T.J. Ward go without even offering anything. We continue to develop players and then let them play somewhere else. Like Mudfly said awhile back, We cut a bunch of vets and people who were skilled and replaced them with basically infants who are inept. Sure, some of them will be decent, but will we ever get a playoff team without spending the Cap? And please don't say we're going to spend a lot of Cap this offseason and we've been waiting for the third offseason, because until we do it I don't believe it. In fact, I bet we'd let Josh Gordon walk even if he has a great end of the season just to save Jimmy money.

A large deal of the process has to do with saving JIMMY MONEY, if you want to argue against that, show me the proof.

Where has Mudfly been...haven't seen him in about a month.

[Canton Dawg]

2 hours ago, stillmotion said:

So y'all would have Jimmy stay incredibly under the cap and make more money instead of keeping a decent FS? Jesus. Dude was young and good, Sashi Brown's job is to make Jimmy a team to win for as cheap as possible, which is why we didn't resign him. It doesn't differ much from letting T.J. Ward go without even offering anything. We continue to develop players and then let them play somewhere else. Like Mudfly said awhile back, We cut a bunch of vets and people who were skilled and replaced them with basically infants who are inept. Sure, some of them will be decent, but will we ever get a playoff team without spending the Cap? And please don't say we're going to spend a lot of Cap this offseason and we've been waiting for the third offseason, because until we do it I don't believe it. In fact, I bet we'd let Josh Gordon walk even if he has a great end of the season just to save Jimmy money.

A large deal of the process has to do with saving JIMMY MONEY, if you want to argue against that, show me the proof.

THIS is the single issue that annoys me (and Mudfly) the most.

Its difficult enough to draft a good or even competent player, and when we do, they hit the end of their rookie contract and walk.

It boils down to the almighty dollar, the Browns are proving to be one of the cheapest organizations in the NFL...and it shows on the field.

/rant

[Unsympathetic]

1) No cherrypicking. Either PFF grades are used to evaluate EVERYBODY AND EVERYTHING - or they're never used anywhere.  Yes, this does include the overall evaluation of FO.

2) Even with PFF grades being used, the question isn't simply raw grade -- the question is the ratio of (dollars spent/performance).. eg, the marginal cost per point of skill.

[Canton Dawg]

1 minute ago, Unsympathetic said:

1) No cherrypicking. Either PFF grades are used to evaluate EVERYBODY AND EVERYTHING - or they're never used anywhere.

2) Even with PFF grades being used, the question isn't simply raw grade -- the question is the ratio of (dollars spent/performance).. eg, the marginal cost per point of skill.

I have better metric than PFF...it’s 1-24.

[Unsympathetic]

Keep trolling!

[stillmotion]

13 minutes ago, Canton Dawg said:

THIS is the single issue that annoys me (and Mudfly) the most.

Its difficult enough to draft a good or even competent player, and when we do, they hit the end of their rookie contract and walk.

It boils down to the almighty dollar, the Browns are proving to be one of the cheapest organizations in the NFL...and it shows on the field.

/rant

definitely bro. I'm down with the process and the rebuilding, but at some point we have to bring FA talent here. Would we bring a Kirk Cousins, Julio Jones, or any big offensive playmakers here. I'm not talking WR2's but Kenny Britt, but hell even Jarvis Landry would be nice. It would be nice to see the Browns load up on depth and get some WR's that aren't UDFA's or late round picks.

[Canton Dawg]

12 minutes ago, Unsympathetic said:

Keep trolling!

Keep spouting nonsense.

[stillmotion]

26 minutes ago, Unsympathetic said:

1) No cherrypicking. Either PFF grades are used to evaluate EVERYBODY AND EVERYTHING - or they're never used anywhere.  Yes, this does include the overall evaluation of FO.

2) Even with PFF grades being used, the question isn't simply raw grade -- the question is the ratio of (dollars spent/performance).. eg, the marginal cost per point of skill.

spending more money usually results in getting better players. or you can keep ricardo louis and bryce treggs and go 1-24.

[Canton Dawg]

12 minutes ago, stillmotion said:

spending more money usually results in getting better players. or you can keep ricardo louis and bryce treggs and go 1-24.

Yep, notice how we went from a 3-5 wins a season to the debacle we have now?

I guess you get what you pay for...freakin sad.

[BaconHound]

11 hours ago, Alkid3 said:

When TJ left then Gipson. It was over. Whitner wasn't much of a replacement. 

Yeah TJ has started to tail off and he was always more of a thumper and not sure how he would've fit in.  Whitner wasn't very good in a Browns jersey though.

[syd]

Shmuck him if it wasn't for heckert he would be washing dishes in the projects

[Ghoolie]

4 hours ago, stillmotion said:

So y'all would have Jimmy stay incredibly under the cap and make more money instead of keeping a decent FS? Jesus. Dude was young and good, Sashi Brown's job is to make Jimmy a team to win for as cheap as possible, which is why we didn't resign him. It doesn't differ much from letting T.J. Ward go without even offering anything. We continue to develop players and then let them play somewhere else. Like Mudfly said awhile back, We cut a bunch of vets and people who were skilled and replaced them with basically infants who are inept. Sure, some of them will be decent, but will we ever get a playoff team without spending the Cap? And please don't say we're going to spend a lot of Cap this offseason and we've been waiting for the third offseason, because until we do it I don't believe it. In fact, I bet we'd let Josh Gordon walk even if he has a great end of the season just to save Jimmy money.

A large deal of the process has to do with saving JIMMY MONEY, if you want to argue against that, show me the proof.

This business of provide a winner as cheaply as possible is truly bullschidt. I think FIRST you provide a winner................THEN work on your economy. Where was it stated that Sashi's job is to provide a winner as cheaply as possible? That's just a screwed up concept. If that premise is true, then Sashi can never be called into question or fired because as long as he is way under the cap he can say '"being under the cap is part of my job responsibility".

I have to be honest with you, the entire culture of this team is way off the scale fahking weird. We talk about schidt that not one of the other 31 teams talk about. They talk about TDs, wins, playoffs, and we talk about theoretical, euphemistic bullschidt that you have to believe on face value because there are no statistics of numbers to support it. " Oh, the team isn't winning, but that isn't what we are doing here, you have to see deeper to understand that while we look like schidt.......there is a lot going on.

Sorry man, but it's horse schidt. 

[Orion]

5 hours ago, The Gipper said:

But...why?   Was it just over a bit of money?

How much is Jax paying him?

He fit the profile of the kind of guy they would want.   He was still very young.

Or was it just that he "wasn't our guy"......and/or over a piddling amount of money?

It's hard to pin down the exact reason from where we're sitting.

I think it was many factors at that point in time.  1)  Gipson was gimpy at the time.  2)  He wanted money because he was a pro bowler.  3)  The new regime (FO & coaches) had no history with him.  4)  The FO was kind of Socky.  Know it alls that figured, "We sucked with you.  How much worse could we possibly be without you?"  -  That is a sentiment that I heard on another board....and I immediately fired back that, "It could DEFINITELY be worse!"    

[Canton Dawg]

While I agree with Gipson on his take of the Browns FO, I hope the Browns lay a fukkin beat down on the Jags.

[stillmotion]

22 minutes ago, Ghoolie said:

Where was it stated that Sashi's job is to provide a winner as cheaply as possible?

It wasn't stated, it's just my observations and opinion. Moneyball was arguably about finding undervalued talent. I can't fathom gutting everyone like we did and sucking for draft picks, it's just too weird now. People think it's all Sashi's process, and Depo's process, but what they're really not thinking of is that it's been Jimmy's process all along, who you could argue is a bufoon, and doesn't even have a clue how to put a winner on the field. If Jimmy cared about his fans, he'd try harder to win. You're going to tell me that Jimmy's F.O. tell him to spend so little money on the cap every year? I think that comes from Jimmy himself. You might think my hypothesis is cowpoop, but just wait and see if we resign gordon or let him walk. that will tell us if i'm full of s#$% or if i'm onto Haslam's bullshittery an ineptitude.

And don't forget, Pettine had a TON of lack of talent too and had to give all of those pressers as the Browns lost his second year. Jimmy is a Jerry Jones wannabe without a brain.

[Dawgs89]

The Jaguars basically have a bye this week. Most teams likely can't help but look ahead before facing this dumpster fire.

[Tour2ma]

17 hours ago, Canton Dawg said:

The claim was Gipson is no better than what is currently on the Browns roster which is silly. 

BTW, Kindred is a SS while Gip is a FS. So it's not really an apples to apples comparison.

Semi-silly perhaps... but just proves the naysyaers don't have a monopoly on hyperbole...

Peppers was also in my analysis, but then he's not really a FS either... is he?

And then there's the whole issue of Gip being worth his contract... an issue you deftly avoided.

[Tour2ma]

17 hours ago, stillmotion said:

So y'all would have Jimmy stay incredibly under the cap and make more money instead of keeping a decent FS? Jesus. Dude was young and good, Sashi Brown's job is to make Jimmy a team to win for as cheap as possible, which is why we didn't resign him. It doesn't differ much from letting T.J. Ward go without even offering anything. We continue to develop players and then let them play somewhere else. Like Mudfly said awhile back, We cut a bunch of vets and people who were skilled and replaced them with basically infants who are inept. Sure, some of them will be decent, but will we ever get a playoff team without spending the Cap? And please don't say we're going to spend a lot of Cap this offseason and we've been waiting for the third offseason, because until we do it I don't believe it. In fact, I bet we'd let Josh Gordon walk even if he has a great end of the season just to save Jimmy money.

A large deal of the process has to do with saving JIMMY MONEY, if you want to argue against that, show me the proof.

Here's a thought... actually make your case then I'll tear it apart. I'll even give you a peek at my counter...

• Collins...
• Zeitler...
• Osweiler...

As for Tashaun "Dude was young and good" Gipson... yes, he was. He was also badly injured and has never been the same, but he wanted to be paid for what he was pre-injury. ust another in a long line of players whose value we nailed.

If we did what you (and Mud) wanted, we'd be in cap hell before we ever got playoff competitive... and all in the name of a few, meaningless wins.

13 hours ago, stillmotion said:

spending more money usually results in getting better players. or you can keep ricardo louis and bryce treggs and go 1-24.

Two words... Albert Haynesworth...

Need more? Dwayne Bowe...

**Drops Mic**