mjp28 Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Dutch Oven said: The only reason why Wentz wouldn't easily be a Top 20 QB is because of injuries. He's damn near a 3td/1int guy. I was thinking about that 3/1 number well except for year 1 when he was 16/14 he's better than that. But he's missed starting 8 games in 4 years but he did go 16/16 last year. So I think he's a keeper if he stays healthy. (Not bad for a D-1AA guy.) Stats Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% 1D Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV Career 56 56 32-24-0 1311 2055 63.8 14191 97 4.7 35 1.7 725 73 6.9 7.1 10.8 253.4 92.7 129 807 6.13 6.30 5.9 6 8 45 2016 24 PHI QB 11 16 16 7-9-0 379 607 62.4 3782 16 2.6 14 2.3 192 73 6.2 5.7 10.0 236.4 79.3 49.4 33 213 5.58 5.09 5.2 1 1 10 2017* 25 PHI QB 11 13 13 11-2-0 265 440 60.2 3296 33 7.5 7 1.6 161 72 7.5 8.3 12.4 253.5 101.9 77.2 28 162 6.70 7.43 6.0 1 1 14 2018 26 PHI QB 11 11 11 5-6-0 279 401 69.6 3074 21 5.2 7 1.7 159 58 7.7 7.9 11.0 279.5 102.2 62.6 31 202 6.65 6.89 7.2 2 2 9 2019 27 PHI QB 11 16 16 9-7-0 388 607 63.9 4039 27 4.4 7 1.2 213 53 6.7 7.0 10.4 252.4 93.1 62.9 37 230 5.91 6.26 5.7 2 4 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, mjp28 said: I was thinking about that 3/1 number well except for year 1 when he was 16/14 he's better than that. But he's missed starting 8 games in 4 years but he did go 16/16 last year. So I think he's a keeper if he stays healthy. Stats Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% 1D Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV Career 56 56 32-24-0 1311 2055 63.8 14191 97 4.7 35 1.7 725 73 6.9 7.1 10.8 253.4 92.7 129 807 6.13 6.30 5.9 6 8 45 2016 24 PHI QB 11 16 16 7-9-0 379 607 62.4 3782 16 2.6 14 2.3 192 73 6.2 5.7 10.0 236.4 79.3 49.4 33 213 5.58 5.09 5.2 1 1 10 2017* 25 PHI QB 11 13 13 11-2-0 265 440 60.2 3296 33 7.5 7 1.6 161 72 7.5 8.3 12.4 253.5 101.9 77.2 28 162 6.70 7.43 6.0 1 1 14 2018 26 PHI QB 11 11 11 5-6-0 279 401 69.6 3074 21 5.2 7 1.7 159 58 7.7 7.9 11.0 279.5 102.2 62.6 31 202 6.65 6.89 7.2 2 2 9 2019 27 PHI QB 11 16 16 9-7-0 388 607 63.9 4039 27 4.4 7 1.2 213 53 6.7 7.0 10.4 252.4 93.1 62.9 37 230 5.91 6.26 5.7 2 4 12 I mean, the dude has thrown 81 touchdowns in his last three seasons compared to 21 interceptions. DePodesta completely whiffed on his assessment on Wentz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Dutch Oven said: The only reason why Wentz wouldn't easily be a Top 20 QB is because of injuries. He's damn near a 3td/1int guy. Injuries count. If Sam Bowie and Greg Oden had not been injured we may have counted them among the great NBA centers of all time. We don't. If Bo Jackson had not hurt his hip? If Joe Charboneau had not hurt his back? If if if. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 47 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Injuries count. If Sam Bowie and Greg Oden had not been injured we may have counted them among the great NBA centers of all time. We don't. If Bo Jackson had not hurt his hip? If Joe Charboneau had not hurt his back? If if if. Wentz has missed 8 starts out of 64 possible. Comparing him with Bowie, Oden, Jackson and Charboneau is ridiculous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 7 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: Wentz has missed 8 starts out of 64 possible. Comparing him with Bowie, Oden, Jackson and Charboneau is ridiculous. But he has missed their postseason games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 Let's shift gears abit with Terry Pluto, cheating in sports baseball style. https://www.cleveland.com/tribe/2020/01/like-mike-clevinger-many-mlb-players-should-be-angry-with-cheating-houston-astros.html Like Mike Clevinger, many MLB players should be angry with cheating Houston Astros Posted Jan 21, 2020 By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer CLEVELAND, Ohio — Cleveland Indians pitcher Mike Clevinger’s rage about the Houston Astros cheating scandal was powerful because he spoke for the average-to-marginal player fighting to stay in the big leagues. Clevinger unleashed his fury in a video for an online site named Momentum, a company connected with former Tribe pitcher (and Clevinger buddy) Trevor Bauer. Clevinger said batters knowing what pitches are coming is “worse than steroids." He could be right. Steroids can make players stronger, and not just hitters. Pitchers also used them to increase their velocity. Sometimes, baseball turned into a battle of chemists as “juiced" pitchers faced “chemically enhanced” hitters. But the Astros used video equipment and other means to steal signs from opposing pitchers and relay the information to the hitter, according to a recent MLB report. Good luck if you’re a pitcher....... continued in link...... (See the TRIBE FORUM for much more on this story and life in the minor leagues trying to get to the majors. More on Clevinger's long climb up.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 I haven't been able to watch baseball for years. Too slow, too boring. I'd rather watch golf. (believe it or not) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibleedbrown Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 26 minutes ago, Orion said: I haven't been able to watch baseball for years. Too slow, too boring. I'd rather watch golf. (believe it or not) I’ll admit it is a 3 plus hour game with maybe 20 minutes of excitement, but l love it. I get into the little things, like a batter’s routine before he steps into the box or a pitcher with a quirky delivery. And l looove the atmosphere going to games. Relaxed, the conversation flows, the beer vendors with their funny sales pitches, the high fives after a home run. I actually get excited about rain delays. It’s like nirvana to me. So peaceful staring out over the diamond. No expectations, no urgency about anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 On 1/24/2020 at 8:46 PM, Dutch Oven said: DePodesta completely whiffed on his assessment on Wentz. Actually not completely... Depo's assessment was that Wentz was not a Top 20 NFL QB. If we look at his 4 years in the League we see that by some measures he is and by others he is not. For QB Rating he's #20 on the nose. I was not a Wentz guy. Only 1.5 seasons at a dubious competition level put me off. That the half-season 9-7,missed was his 4th and final one compounded that. That the injury was a broken throwing wrist compounded that. I am still not a Wentz guy. Injury plays a part, but the fact that a journeyman like Foles could go and win a SB with Wentz's team says just how good that team around him has been. Add Doug Peterson's Offense to that mix and I'm lost how how much to credit Wentz for his 9-7, 2019 season with less talent. At least he played thru his 2019 injuries (transverse vertebrae fractures) which have been an issue for him dating back to his H.S. days. Let's see what 2020 brings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 20 hours ago, Orion said: I haven't been able to watch baseball for years. Too slow, too boring. I'd rather watch golf. (believe it or not) MLB it's made for us Boomer retirees. The only sport I know of that you can fall asleep for an hour and not miss anything. But it is a relaxing sport all 162 long games before the playoffs. ........edit add, and golf might be #2, a surefire cure for insomnia. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 Terry Pluto https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/02/what-to-do-with-kareem-hunt-calling-plays-hating-analytics-lets-talk-cleveland-browns.html What to do with Kareem Hunt? Calling plays? Hating analytics? Let’s talk Cleveland Browns Updated Feb 01, 8:24 AM; Posted Feb 01, 5:55 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 Now with the NFL football season pretty much over we transition over to the draft and other subjects related to Cleveland sports like the INDIANS. By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer CLEVELAND, Ohio — I hate writing columns about Cleveland sports stars and money. https://www.cleveland.com/tribe/2020/02/francisco-lindor-is-headed-for-a-huge-payday-but-probably-not-with-the-cleveland-indians.html That issue will hang over the Indians and Francisco Lindor probably until he is traded or leaves as a free agent after the 2021 season. That’s because baseball’s lack of a salary cap is a problem for many Major League teams, not just the Tribe. ........And I can see why he says this in the BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS market situations.... Baseball’s richest contract is $430 million for 12 years signed by Mike Trout of the Angels. The Yankees signed Gerrit Cole to a 9-year, $324 million deal. Houston decided against paying that much for its ace. Other big deals: Bryce Harper ($330 million for 13 years, Phillies) and Manny Machado ($300 million, 10 years, Padres). My goodness, Lindor is a superior player to Harper and Machado. I’d take him over Cole. Only Trout has a higher value among those who recently cashed in, at least in my opinion........ continued in the link....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 We look at some of the big, guaranteed NFL contracts some of the MLB numbers are worse. RISING PRICES At first, I thought it would require contract of at least 10 years and well over $300 million to sign Lindor. Now it would be understandable if Lindor’s agents are thinking about $400 million, given the rise in salaries. “A lot of money sounds pretty right now," Lindor told the media this weekend. “Everything sounds pretty. A lot of years sounds pretty, too. At the end of the day I’ve got to do what’s best for me, my family ... and also what’s best for Indians organization.” Lindor said all the right things about loving Cleveland and wanting to stay with the Indians. And he insisted it isn’t all about money. He may even mean that. But there was a reason his agents turned down a multi-year deal worth at least $100 million a few years ago. The chance to be a free agent is too enticing......... continued in the link........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 https://923thefan.radio.com/articles/pluto-baker-mayfields-ceiling-has-lowered-over-the-year WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 16 hours ago, Westside Steve said: https://923thefan.radio.com/articles/pluto-baker-mayfields-ceiling-has-lowered-over-the-year WSS Well at least he doesn't think he is a "bad" QB as in the past 20 years.😱 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 5 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said: Well at least he doesn't think he is a "bad" QB as in the past 20 years.😱 And a lot of TAGS:. TAGS: Cleveland Cavaliers cleveland browns NBA NFL Andrew Berry Kevin Stefanski baker mayfield Kareem Hunt Tristan Thompson Kevin Love Collin Sexton Under the BM tag:. Akbar Gbajabiamila: Baker Mayfield isn't focused on football, he's focused on being a celebrity The NFL Network's Akbar Gbajabiamila talks about his comments on Cleveland Browns Baker Mayfield being a bum, why he said it and what he meant by it all. <------- Jethro Mayfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 hours ago, mjp28 said: Akbar Gbajabiamila: Baker Mayfield isn't focused on football, he's focused on being a celebrity My greatest fear... Heisman... #1 overall... burst on scene with rookie TD record... Not exactly the same kind of fuel as having to twice walk on and prove your self. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 51 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: My greatest fear... Heisman... #1 overall... burst on scene with rookie TD record... Not exactly the same kind of fuel as having to twice walk on and prove your self. I would hate to see that happen. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Tour2ma said: My greatest fear... Heisman... #1 overall... burst on scene with rookie TD record... Not exactly the same kind of fuel as having to twice walk on and prove your self. Yep. I wondered aloud how someone who was drafted #1 overall was going to manufacture chips on his shoulder anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: Yep. I wondered aloud how someone who was drafted #1 overall was going to manufacture chips on his shoulder anymore. Maybe 6-10 will be enough of a kick in his celebrity butt to get his head back on his shoulders again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 8 hours ago, mjp28 said: Maybe 6-10 will be enough of a kick in his celebrity butt to get his head back on his shoulders again. Last season was a path towards Johnnydum. Keep that going and he'll be reduced to a 4th rate insurance company.😱 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 Terry Pluto ....... A little off-season change of pace but BIG Cleveland sports news. https://www.cleveland.com/tribe/2020/02/mike-clevingers-knee-surgery-reminds-us-why-carlos-carrasco-needs-to-stay-healthy.html Mike Clevinger’s knee surgery reminds us why Carlos Carrasco needs to stay healthy Updated 9:44 AM; Today 5:00 AM CLEVELAND, Ohio – It’s a lot to ask. That’s what I was thinking when I started writing column about Mike Clevinger and Carlos Carrasco. Most Cleveland Indians fans have heard Clevinger suffered a knee injury working out Wednesday. He had arthroscopic surgery to repair a partial tear of his left medial meniscus Friday. The Indians said Clevinger will be out 6-to-8 weeks. It’s seem doubtful he’ll be ready for the opener March 26. While Shane Beibe.r is the ace of the staff in the minds of most fans, I considered that role falling to Clevinger, especially after the trades of Trevor Bauer and Corey Kluber. Beibe.r or Clevinger You can debate which of these talented right arms you like best for the top of rotation. But you can feel good about either one having a strong 2020 season. Over the last three seasons, Clevinger’s average record was 13-6 with a 2.96 ERA. Batters hit only .216 against him. When healthy, the 29-year-old Clevinger has overpowering stuff........ continued in the link........> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/02/hey-terry-what-can-the-cleveland-browns-do-to-improve-their-culture-terry-pluto.html Hey Terry WSS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 Isn't this the truth...... By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer CLEVELAND, Ohio – It’s February, a dead month in the NFL once the Super Bowl is over. But Cleveland Browns fans still are thinking a lot about their favorite team. HEY, TERRY: What can the Browns do in the off-season to improve their “culture?" Can the fans do anything? – Dave Scott, Copley HEY, DAVID: Let’s start with the fan part of the question. The fans are in a helpless situation when it comes to issues such as team culture. Over the years, I have heard some Browns executives tell me about the “negative culture” of the media and fan base and how that impacts the team. That’s a lame excuse. It doesn’t take much for the media and fans to hop on the Browns Hope Train, as was evident a year ago in the off-season. All fans can do is hope ownership hired the right people and gives them time to succeed....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 On 2/15/2020 at 6:07 PM, mjp28 said: That’s a lame excuse. And it really IS a lame excuse to blame negative media and fans...after all, they're just calling 'em as they see 'em! As they've SEEN 'em for decades. The constant hiring and firing throughout the front office and coaching staffs. One or the other is fired every year...if not BOTH. The fans and media ain't makin' that $#!+ up. The owner can't do a THING right! Look at our uniforms. They've gotta come out with replacements the very first year permitted. Anyone got any faith that they won't be wearing polka-dots this September? ....ever hear of Goldfinger? Everything he touches turns to gold? Well, Haslam is Shitfinger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 45 minutes ago, Orion said: ...ever hear of Goldfinger? Everything he touches turns to gold? Well, Haslam is Shitfinger. I think Terry is correct there's not much the fans can do about the negative culture and can only HOPE the (crap) ownership gets it right this time. We're all just holding our breath.....right? Good luck with that. .........note: in Terry's earlier writings he has said that the fans have every right to be "pissed off" about the BROWNS performance or lack of it over the last 20 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPPT1974 Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 Yeah but how long we will have to hold our breath. Is beyond anybody's guess. Over on Terry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 On our new OC and other hot topics...... https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/02/baker-mayfields-feet-and-a-ball-hawing-defense-scribbling-about-cleveland-browns-new-coaches.html By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer BEREA, Ohio – Scribbles in my notebook after listening to the Browns’ coordinators. 1. I don’t remember a new offensive coordinator having a first press conference like the one delivered Wednesday by Alex Van Pelt. By that, I mean I liked it. He delivered a message to QB Baker Mayfield that needed to be heard — namely, there is some significant work to be done....... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 "10. Van Pelt is important because the Browns have to fix Mayfield. They can’t afford for him to be the NFL’s second-lowest rated QB again this season." There it is in a nutshell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 2 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said: "10. Van Pelt is important because the Browns have to fix Mayfield. They can’t afford for him to be the NFL’s second-lowest rated QB again this season." There it is in a nutshell. Terry just has a way with words....in a nutshell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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