jbluhm86 Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Clevfan4life said: Am I the o ly one intensely bothered by the fact both parties wanna change shit up to suit their current needs whenever they get a msjority... yet bitch and moan when the other side does it...?... No, you're not the only one. Another prime example of this stupidity is Colorado changing how their electoral votes are doled out in presidential elections. The Colorado State legislature just passed a law in which their electoral votes will go to the candidate who wins the popular vote, thinking that this will somehow prevent a repeat of what happened in 2016. But, once you stop to think about it, it's actually a pretty stupid idea. Colorado votes mostly blue, so that means that even if the majority of the state votes for a Democratic candidate, if the national popular vote is won by a Republican, all of Colorado's electoral votes will go to the Republican. They've basically written voter disenfranchisement into their own law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, jbluhm86 said: No, you're not the only one. Another prime example of this stupidity is Colorado changing how their electoral votes are doled out in presidential elections. The Colorado State legislature just passed a law in which their electoral votes will go to the candidate who wins the popular vote, thinking that this will somehow prevent a repeat of what happened in 2016. But, once you stop to think about it, it's actually a pretty stupid idea. Colorado votes mostly blue, so that means that even if the majority of the state votes for a Democratic candidate, if the national popular vote is won by a Republican, all of Colorado's electoral votes will go to the Republican. They've basically written voter disenfranchisement into their own law. Omfg the stupidity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 While I agree that getting rid of the Electoral College altogether is a bad idea, I think there is an argument to be made that it needs improving to better reflect the vote of the American people. As it stands right now, electoral votes in most states are awarded in a "winner take all" system, in which the candidate with the most popular votes in that state are awarded that state's total allotment of electoral votes. For example, here in Ohio, Trump won 52 percent of the popular vote, so all 18 electoral votes were awarded to him. Naturally, this system gives rise to several issues. States with a greater number of electoral votes are visited more by candidates and have more campaign financing (stumping, tv and radio ads, etc) spent in them than in states with a smaller number of electoral votes. This leads to most candidates visiting and campaigning in only a handful of states every election cycle. I believe that they should have to campaign in as many states as possible. One solution is to modify the Electoral College system into a proportional one. That is, instead of being awarded the entirety of a particular state's electoral votes in a "winner take all" system, the total number of electoral votes in a particular state are awarded to candidates proportionally based on the percentage of that state's popular vote that they won. I'll use two examples: In our own state of Ohio, we have 18 total electoral votes. If we were to apply the proportional electoral college system to our votes, it would look something like this: Donald Trump: 18 total electoral votes x 52.1% popular vote = 9 electoral votes awarded Hillary Clinton: 18 electoral votes x 43.5% popular vote = 8 electoral votes awarded Gary Johnson: 18 electoral votes x 3.2% popular vote = 1 electoral vote awarded In this scenario, Donald Trump would still win most of Ohio's electoral votes since he won the highest percentage of Ohio's popular vote, but Clinton would also gain some of Ohio electoral votes since she had a high percentage of the popular vote as well. It also awards an electoral vote to Gary Johnson, allowing representation of 3rd party voters and potentially opening the door for further growth of 3rd party influence in later elections. It also takes into account that since Jill Stein and Duncan were not awarded an electoral vote since they did not meet a minimum threshold of the popular vote. We can also apply the proportional system to so called stronghold states as well: California is the state with the greatest amount of total electoral votes, 55, meaning that it technically should be one of most hotly contested states in an election. However, since California is a "winner take all state", and since it is overwhelmingly Democratic, most Republican and 3rd party candidates don't campaign that much in the state since they know that, more than likely, the state will vote Democrat anyway. This, in my opinion, disenfranchises the significant minority of voters who don't vote Democrat. However, if we were to apply a proportional electoral college system to their votes, it would look something like this: Hillary Clinton: 55 total electoral votes x 61.6% popular vote = 34 electoral votes awarded Donald Trump: 55 total electoral votes x 32.8% popular vote = 18 electoral votes awarded Gary Johnson: 55 total electoral votes x 3.4% popular vote = 2 electoral votes awarded Jill Stein: 55 total electoral votes x 1.8% popular vote = 1 electoral vote awarded In this scenario, Clinton would still win a hefty amount of California electoral votes with 34, but Trump would also walk away with 18 - the same number of total electoral votes he won in Ohio in 2016. This system would allow California to award the majority of its electoral votes to Clinton - representing the majority of California's voters voting Democrat, while also awarding electoral votes to Republican and 3rd party candidates representative of the 38% of California voters who did not vote Democrat. In my opinion, this proportional Electoral College system - or one similar to it - is the best system moving forward in voting for President. It allows for a better reflection of the overall popular vote in an election's results while preserving the protections that the current Electoral College system has in preventing a small handful of cities with large populations from dominating the election of the president. Just my $0.02 on the matter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 3 hours ago, jbluhm86 said: Just my $0.02 on the matter... That idea does have a lot of merit - but I don't agree, offhand. Proportional electoral votes applied, means the election results in any state can be affected by a deliberate mass illegal migration that we see today. Voter fraud would far more easily be rewarded. As it is, voter fraud doesn't gain the ...dems... anything unless there was a monumental amount of voter fraud. Otherwise, a little voter fraud could result in a little reward of reps. I think. Just my two cents. I don't see any republicans wanting to change our Constitution. It's the left. The left wants to change the makeup of the U.S. Supreme Court to benefit them after they change it when they have a socialist president. The dems want to get rid of the 2nd Amendment, and have little use for the 1st Amendment, unless it's THEM that demand it. Obamao commie criticized our Constution. Libs all over get mad because it doesn't suit their demands. Too freaking bad, says I. The left would have there be no freedom of speech - unless they dictate it. That isn't freedom of speech - that's very much like british colonial tyranny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccjwh Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 Thanks jbluhm86. It's odd to see a good post on this board. This approach makes the most sense to me. I think Maine already does this. I would like to see the Ranked voting as well. It the only way we can get away from this two-party system. People would start voting for individuals instead for/against parties. https://www.cambridge.ca/en/learn-about/ranked-ballot-voting.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 I agree completely jbluhm. I don't like the winner take all system currently in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, calfoxwc said: That idea does have a lot of merit - but I don't agree, offhand. Proportional electoral votes applied, means the election results in any state can be affected by a deliberate mass illegal migration that we see today. Voter fraud would far more easily be rewarded. As it is, voter fraud doesn't gain the ...dems... anything unless there was a monumental amount of voter fraud. Otherwise, a little voter fraud could result in a little reward of reps. I think. Just my two cents. I don't see any republicans wanting to change our Constitution. It's the left. not at all. Ask yourself who is it that wants to repeal the Second Amendment? The left wants to change the makeup of the U.S. Supreme Court to benefit them after they change it when they have a socialist president. The dems want to get rid of the 2nd Amendment, and have little use for the 1st Amendment, unless it's THEM that demand it. Obamao commie criticized our Constution. Libs all over get mad because it doesn't suit their demands. Too freaking bad, says I. The left would have there be no freedom of speech - unless they dictate it. That isn't freedom of speech - that's very much like british colonial tyranny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorka Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 22 hours ago, cccjwh said: Well it's hard to tell you guys apart, repeating the same talking points. If is doesn't really matter, why both posting in a thread about it? If these threads get your panties all knotted up then why are you here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorka Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 How predictable that we suddenly are hearing gibberish from the left about getting rid of the EC, allowing 16yr. olds to vote, and resurrecting the idea of reparations. All because the left's attempt to render Trumps election invalid has failed miserably. "Russian Collusion" HAHAHAHA! Whatever it takes to prevent the election of another Republican. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 23 hours ago, Clevfan4life said: Am I the o ly one intensely bothered by the fact both parties wanna change shit up to suit their current needs whenever they get a msjority... yet bitch and moan when the other side does it...?... The Electoral College is a modern-day scheme by the Republicans to steal elections? Is that your point here? On the other hand gerrymandering has always been constitutional and practiced by whoever happens to be in power correct? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 I went to the ER with Stomach pain and they said I have 'a cute pancreatitus'. I said, I don't give a fuck how cute it is, take away the pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 23 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: I went to the ER with Stomach pain and they said I have 'a cute pancreatitus'. I said, I don't give a fuck how cute it is, take away the pain. Just drink more to dull the pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 8 hours ago, Westside Steve said: The Electoral College is a modern-day scheme by the Republicans to steal elections? Is that your point here? On the other hand gerrymandering has always been constitutional and practiced by whoever happens to be in power correct? WSS Neither of those are correct but that's ok. Nothing new is being learned on this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 1 hour ago, MLD Woody said: Neither of those are correct but that's ok. Nothing new is being learned on this board. Certainly not from you. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 10 hours ago, Westside Steve said: The Electoral College is a modern-day scheme by the Republicans to steal elections? Is that your point here? On the other hand gerrymandering has always been constitutional and practiced by whoever happens to be in power correct? WSS U struggle with the written language don't u Steve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Clevfan4life said: U struggle with the written language don't u Steve? When deciphering the grunts and chirps of semi literates such as you, yes. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 I suppose members of One party can be rightfully outraged by the other party if there are actual dirty tricks going on that cost him votes or make their position of power less secure, but the Electoral College is a perfectly reasonable part of our election system. Nothing sneaky about it. Just the Chuck and Nancy and Hillary and Cleve and Woody were unsuccessful this past election. Dirty tricks is an entirely separate issue. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 Just now, Westside Steve said: I suppose members of One party can be rightfully outraged by the other party if there are actual dirty tricks going on that cost him votes or make their position of power less secure, but the Electoral College is a perfectly reasonable part of our election system. Nothing sneaky about it. Just the Chuck and Nancy and Hillary and Cleve and Woody were unsuccessful this past election. Dirty tricks is an entirely separate issue. WSS No u clearly struggle with the written language. I literally wrote now multiple times saying I'm not down one bit with dems getting ridbofvtge electoral college because "now" it happens to.suit them. U really are a special kind if intellectual dilapidation. Not even cal and diehard are at ur level of stupid. Is this a clinical thing? Like do u have something going on which affects ur root cognition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 33 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: No u clearly struggle with the written language. I literally wrote now multiple times saying I'm not down one bit with dems getting ridbofvtge electoral college because "now" it happens to.suit them. U really are a special kind if intellectual dilapidation. Not even cal and diehard are at ur level of stupid. Is this a clinical thing? Like do u have something going on which affects ur root cognition? leftwing participation trophy pseudo-intellectualism for all to see. Weird - AOCCC mz the pussy does the same hysterial rambling and misuse of words... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 22 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: . Weird - AOCCC mz the pussy the pussy What are u even talking about here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gorka Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 On 3/22/2019 at 12:21 AM, TexasAg1969 said: I thought this was where you applied for entry to become an electrician.😜⚡ Don't believe everything AOC says Tex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorka Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 32 minutes ago, Axe said: Exactly. And the talk of 16yr olds being allowed to vote...and reparations to encourage more blacks to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorka Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 On 3/22/2019 at 2:01 AM, Clevfan4life said: Am I the o ly one intensely bothered by the fact both parties wanna change shit up to suit their current needs whenever they get a msjority... yet bitch and moan when the other side does it...?... Unfortunately that's politics, but this call to make null and void the EC solely because of their butthurt over Donald Trump being president is way over the top. I'm not aware of Reps so desperate to suit their current needs that they've blathered about changing the Constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorka Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 On 3/21/2019 at 11:08 AM, cccjwh said: The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy. LOL...you've been listening to AOC a lot haven't you? No AOCCC the Elec College it isn't a disaster for Democracy, rather you lefties are a disaster for America. If only you had left the country as promised if Trump got elected... we'd be in much better shape. Fuckin liars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Clevfan4life Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Gorka said: LOL...you've been listening to AOC a lot haven't you? U do realize that was a trump tweet right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 On 3/21/2019 at 11:28 AM, cccjwh said: Sorry I 'forgot' to credit the person who said that. Just incase u goofballs have forgotten. ☕ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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