OldBrownsFan Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Conservative Principles Do Not Require Us To Roll Over For Big Tech https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2019/06/13/conservative-principles-do-not-require-us-to-roll-over-for-big-tech-n2547979 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Maybe big tech can show you how to properly format a post so it's more mobile friendly. Dear Christ, my eyes... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 13 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: Maybe big tech can show you how to properly format a post so it's more mobile friendly. Dear Christ, my eyes... Well since you already tortured your eyes over reading it do you have an opinion about the article or do you just want to whine? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 A CONSERVATIVE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT TO END INTERNET SEGREGATION Should “political affiliation” become a national protected class? https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/273963/conservative-civil-rights-movement-end-internet-daniel-greenfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: A CONSERVATIVE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT TO END INTERNET SEGREGATION Should “political affiliation” become a national protected class? https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/273963/conservative-civil-rights-movement-end-internet-daniel-greenfield Conservatives sure do like big government when it is a cause they like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: Conservatives sure do like big government when it is a cause they like. Yep a level playing field and equality is not too much to demand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: Conservatives sure do like big government when it is a cause they like. "independents" sure hate laws against discrimination? The discrimination laws are already there, why not apply it equally, in this case, conservatives? There isn't anything obscene or perverted about being conservative, or black or red or green... or being Hindu, Muslim, Christian..... etc It's how to apply the enforcement of the law. Liberals only want to enforce the law when it suits them. Look at higgardly, etc etc/deep state. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 1 minute ago, OldBrownsFan said: Yep a level playing field and equality is not too much to demand. Haha conservatives should just give up on saying they are anti big government and pro free markets. You can’t whine and say you want govt to dictate how a private social media company handles their product then claim you love the free market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: "independents" sure hate laws against discrimination? The discrimination laws are already there, why not apply it equally, in this case, conservatives? There isn't anything obscene or perverted about being conservative, or black or red or green... or being Hindu, Muslim, Christian..... etc It's how to apply the enforcement of the law. Liberals only want to enforce the law when it suits them. Look at higgardly, etc etc/deep state. Cal, do you think government should interfere with businesses because they choose to run their company with a political leaning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: Haha conservatives should just give up on saying they are anti big government and pro free markets. You can’t whine and say you want govt to dictate how a private social media company handles their product then claim you love the free market. Who said conservatives want free markets to be able to discriminate against anyone. Not me. From the article: Facebook has 2.3 billion active users, Google processes 3.5 billion searches per day, Twitter has 321 million monthly users, and 5 billion videos are watched on YouTube every day. Segregation at this level can shut entire populations out of political participation in the marketplace of ideas. AI can then invisibly automate discriminatory policies and structurally embed them into countless sites across the internet. A powerful elite has decided that a certain class of people should be shut out from being able to fully make use of public services. These policies of political segregation have not been openly articulated, but they have been exposed by hidden camera investigations, by lawsuits from employees fired for their political views, and by the pattern emerging from the mass of bans, shadowbans and demonetizations. The latest crackdown by Google’s YouTube is typical of the use of non-transparent policies that are selectively applied and whose rationale represents structural discrimination against conservatives. The new segregation masquerades as desegregation. Its implementation is segregating millions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 If you replaced “conservative” with “liberal”, the thread would be received vastly different. I don’t want government interference in private business. I actually believe in a free market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Just now, OldBrownsFan said: Who said conservatives want free markets to be able to discriminate against anyone. Not me. Free markets mean they are free to do as they wish with their products. Conservatives are wanting government to dictate to a business how they should be run because their feelings are hurt. Be enterprising and start a social media company catered to conservatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 48 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: Well since you already tortured your eyes over reading it do you have an opinion about the article or do you just want to whine? Didn't read it because of the mobile display. Also... I'll take a pass. 14 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: Conservatives sure do like big government when it is a cause they like. Theyre not. They're Republicans - same as dems just different suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Just now, LogicIsForSquares said: Free markets mean they are free to do as they wish with their products. Conservatives are wanting government to dictate to a business how they should be run because their feelings are hurt. Be enterprising and start a social media company catered to conservatives. You are forgetting the power these companies wield in their ability to discriminate and they should be looked at as being monopolies and busting up monopolies is not anti conservative.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 There is nothing stopping people from moving outside of YouTube, Facebook, etc. YouTube started demonetizing gun channels so Full30 was started. Facebook cracked down on private gun sales so myself and others went to MeWe. Stop complaining and move to friendly platforms or create conservative focused social media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: Cal, do you think government should interfere with businesses because they choose to run their company with a political leaning? as far as federal discrimination statutes, sure. or you end up with people who destroy the lives of decent, non-perverted people, to socially and economically destroy said people. Speaking historically: Background: Life Before the Holocaust - The British Library https://www.bl.uk/learning/histcitizen/voices/testimonies/life/backgd/before.html Testimonies of life before holocaust. ... Hitler used the Jews as a scapegoat, blaming them for Germany's economic and social problems. The Nazi party ... Missing: ruined | Must include: ruined From Citizens to Outcasts, 1933–1938 — United States Holocaust ... https://www.ushmm.org/learn/...to-the...nazi.../from-citizens-to-outcasts-1933-1938 The goal of Nazi propaganda was to demonize Jews and to create a climate of ... of Broken Glass—Jewish businesses and synagogues were destroyed in the first act ... After 1933, the German government gradually excluded Jews from public life ... by Jews, when the Economics Ministry froze all Jewish property and assets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 1 minute ago, OldBrownsFan said: You are forgetting the power these companies wield in their ability to discriminate and they should be looked at as being monopolies and busting up monopolies is not anti conservative.. How are they a monopoly when there are options outside of them? Even then, I don’t care about a monopoly on services that are free. Having a Facebook account isn’t a utility or pertinent service to anyone’s life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: as far as federal discrimination statutes, sure. or you end up with people who destroy the lives of decent, non-perverted people, to socially and economically destroy said people. Speaking historically: Background: Life Before the Holocaust - The British Library https://www.bl.uk/learning/histcitizen/voices/testimonies/life/backgd/before.html Testimonies of life before holocaust. ... Hitler used the Jews as a scapegoat, blaming them for Germany's economic and social problems. The Nazi party ... Missing: ruined | Must include: ruined From Citizens to Outcasts, 1933–1938 — United States Holocaust ... https://www.ushmm.org/learn/...to-the...nazi.../from-citizens-to-outcasts-1933-1938 The goal of Nazi propaganda was to demonize Jews and to create a climate of ... of Broken Glass—Jewish businesses and synagogues were destroyed in the first act ... After 1933, the German government gradually excluded Jews from public life ... by Jews, when the Economics Ministry froze all Jewish property and assets. We are comparing someone not being able to post on Twitter to the lead to to the Holocaust? Wowza 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: Free markets mean they are free to do as they wish with their products. Conservatives are wanting government to dictate to a business how they should be run because their feelings are hurt. Be enterprising and start a social media company catered to conservatives. no law? then we'd be stuck with the mafia around every corner. The principle missing in your claim, is "With FREEDOM, comes RESPONSIBILITY" With no law, there would be anarchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: no law? then we'd be stuck with the mafia around every corner. The principle missing in your claim, is "With FREEDOM, comes RESPONSIBILITY" With no law, there would be anarchy. Being able to run your business with minimal government involvement is vastly different than a mafia that does far more than just run a business (ie racketeering, murder, etc). Again, I don’t like government stepping in because conservatives are salty and refuse to make their own products when there is a clear need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Just now, LogicIsForSquares said: We are comparing someone not being to post on Twitter to the lead to to the Holocaust? Wowza lol. sorry, but on principle, the tactic, to a degree, is the same. "With the power to control, control those you disagree with and don't like" It is just hypocrisy for the left to support the msm that strictly enforces discrimination towards conservatives, in particular, narratives, but turn around and be "outraged" that a Christian baker must bake an offensive cake, but then turn around and think it's fine to banish Conservatives and Christians from online life. I just don't get all that. All people should be served, but individual servers have Freedom of Religion.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: lol. sorry, but on principle, the tactic, to a degree, is the same. "With the power to control, control those you disagree with and don't like" It is just hypocrisy for the left to support the msm that strictly enforces discrimination towards conservatives, in particular, narratives, but turn around and be "outraged" that a Christian baker must bake an offensive cake, but then turn around and think it's fine to banish Conservatives and Christians from online life. I just don't get all that. All people should be served, but individual servers have Freedom of Religion.... I think the cake makers should have been allowed to tell them to kick rocks. I don’t care what anyone of any political leaning says about it. Your time and products should have minimal government involvement. Whether that be how you choose to bake cakes or operate a media firm. Conservatives can create their own social media. Gun owners already have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 16 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: There is nothing stopping people from moving outside of YouTube, Facebook, etc. YouTube started demonetizing gun channels so Full30 was started. Facebook cracked down on private gun sales so myself and others went to MeWe. Stop complaining and move to friendly platforms or create conservative focused social media. 17 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: How are they a monopoly when there are options outside of them? Even then, I don’t care about a monopoly on services that are free. Having a Facebook account isn’t a utility or pertinent service to anyone’s life. Combined Clout: The combined market capitalization of these four companies is more than the GDP of most nations. Only countries like China and United States have more money than these companies. This is not a good sign! Companies that have so much power tend to dominate and abuse the competition. Facebook is known for either buying out its competition or making the situation so bad that the competition becomes bankrupt! It is no secret that Facebook was lobbying against the net neutrality principle. These companies have become so big that they are trying to threaten the openness of the internet i.e. the very medium that they were built upon. Since there is too much money and power in too few hands, the antitrust act needs to be deployed. It would not be an anti-capitalist measure. This is because capitalists believe in free market and competition. The current situation in the tech market is not even remotely close to a free market. The main reason why tech companies need to be broken up is not anti-capitalist. In fact, these companies have become anti-capitalist. Capitalism promotes free market and competition whereas these companies do not. As a result, the implementation of anti-trust laws to these companies has become inevitable. The public pressure on these companies has already begun rising. They will not be able to suppress the pressure for very long. https://www.managementstudyguide.com/the-big-tech-monopoly-needs-to-be-broken.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 18 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: I think the cake makers should have been allowed to tell them to kick rocks. I don’t care what anyone of any political leaning says about it. Your time and products should have minimal government involvement. Whether that be how you choose to bake cakes or operate a media firm. Conservatives can create their own social media. Gun owners already have. Yep. Except, I don't see that not serving blacks or chinese etc, in your restaurant should be legal. With no law, you have anarchy. To a point- society cannot exist without at least minimal structure. And it has to be evenly applied. Lack of law creates entrenched divisiveness to a destructive degree. Too much stifles society, and oppression destroys society. It's tough to ascertain what the minimal required laws end, and too much begins. To me, it all goes back to individual rights must be respected. for everybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 So they were too successful and they don’t share my politics so they need to be broken up? No one is stopped from creating alternative media outlets. It would actually put pressure on the big firms to accommodate to the customers they are losing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 45 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: There is nothing stopping people from moving outside of YouTube, Facebook, etc. YouTube started demonetizing gun channels so Full30 was started. Facebook cracked down on private gun sales so myself and others went to MeWe. Stop complaining and move to friendly platforms or create conservative focused social media. The Christian Dating site that now must include gays would disagree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 1 minute ago, calfoxwc said: Yep. Except, I don't see that not serving blacks or chinese etc, in your restaurant should be legal. With no law, you have anarchy. To a point- society cannot exist without at least minimal structure. And it has to be evenly applied. Lack of law creates entrenched divisiveness to a destructive degree. Too much stifles society, and oppression destroys society. It's tough to ascertain what the minimal required laws end, and too much begins. To me, it all goes back to individual rights must be respected. for everybody. Free market doesn’t mean lawless anarchy. I still can’t poison customers. However, I should still have the ability to do with my products and labor as I see fit. If I am a dickhead who doesn’t want to serve black people, I should just expect that someone who wants to make money will fill the gaps. It isn’t in a business’ self interest to discriminate. However, no one should be using the force of the US govt to determine who gets the fruits of your labor. Conservatives are free to fill in the need for social media that caters to their wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 but in the meantime - they can control national narratives, even elections, with their power. It's easy to say "well, a monopoly will go under when enough people tell them to shove it" .... but in reality, too much dominance over an entire market, or an entire nation, is dangerous to allow, even in the short term. I am suggesting here, that social media gone democrat/socialist/communist rogue, to the point of destroying the political opposition, can manipulate polls, can manipulate election results, renders political opposition to second class invisible citizens. It seems that if the shoe were on the other political foot, the left would go on the warpath. It takes time to create another social media, fer cryin out loud. In the meantime, the damage is done, and I stand by how the Jews were socially and economically cut out of German life, and made to be harrassed into oblivion - to the point where they were hunted down, and imprisoned, etc. BTW, what is that gun owners counter media? I want to check that out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Just now, Canton Dawg said: The Christian Dating site that now must include gays would disagree with you. Also, total horse shit. But if conservatives are joining in on the fun, why claim any sort of principles? Just cut the shit and accept the diet lib title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Just now, calfoxwc said: but in the meantime - they can control national narratives, even elections, with their power. It's easy to say "well, a monopoly will go under when enough people tell them to shove it" .... but in reality, too much dominance over an entire market, or an entire nation, is dangerous to allow, even in the short term. I am suggesting here, that social media gone democrat/socialist/communist rogue, to the point of destroying the political opposition, can manipulate polls, can manipulate election results, renders political opposition to second class invisible citizens. It seems that if the shoe were on the other political foot, the left would go on the warpath. And conservatives are free to create competition in the market of ideas? Or complain and beg the government to save them from having to be innovative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.