Dutch Oven Posted April 24, 2021 Report Share Posted April 24, 2021 Sitting at #26 in the first round this year, the Browns are in the strange (for them) position of having to sit and wait for the first round to play out. But is there anyone in this draft that you - if you were in Andrew Berry's shoes - would trade up high enough for that would cost the Browns first rounder next year? Who is the guy in this draft that would make you push all your chips to the center of the table and go all in for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted April 24, 2021 Report Share Posted April 24, 2021 32 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said: Sitting at #26 in the first round this year, the Browns are in the strange (for them) position of having to sit and wait for the first round to play out. But is there anyone in this draft that you - if you were in Andrew Berry's shoes - would trade up high enough for that would cost the Browns first rounder next year? Who is the guy in this draft that would make you push all your chips to the center of the table and go all in for? Four weeks ago I mentioned the crazy idea of moving up for Kyle Pitts. He might be the weapon to take the team over the top...mismatch red zone threat that would get plenty of single coverage with everything around him. After a move like that and Baker being 2020 Baker and good fortunate (injury free to key players)...why not us? so you give up the #32 overall pick next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted April 24, 2021 Report Share Posted April 24, 2021 I would not trade up high enough to cost myself a 1st round pick of a future draft. Now, if I needed a QB then I would consider it, 'cos you're dead in the water without a QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted April 24, 2021 Report Share Posted April 24, 2021 31 minutes ago, SdBacker80 said: Four weeks ago I mentioned the crazy idea of moving up for Kyle Pitts. He might be the weapon to take the team over the top...mismatch red zone threat that would get plenty of single coverage with everything around him. After a move like that and Baker being 2020 Baker and good fortunate (injury free to key players)...why not us? so you give up the #32 overall pick next season. I honestly don't think our #1 this year & again next year would be enough to get him. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 24, 2021 Report Share Posted April 24, 2021 Bucky Brooks Top Edge defenders Rank 1 Jaelan Phillips Miami Rank 2 Kwity Paye Michigan Rank 3 Gregory Rousseau Miami Rank 4 Carlos Basham Jr. Wake Forest Rank 5 NR Joe Tryon Washington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 24, 2021 Report Share Posted April 24, 2021 Bucky Brooks Top Defensive tackles Rank 1 Levi Onwuzurike Washington Rank 2 Christian Barmore Alabama Rank 3 Daviyon Nixon Iowa Rank 4 Osa Odighizuwa UCLA Rank 5 NR Alim McNeill N.C. State Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 24, 2021 Report Share Posted April 24, 2021 Linebackers Rank 1 Micah Parsons Penn State Rank 2 Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah Notre Dame Rank 3 Nick Bolton Missouri Rank 4 Jamin Davis Kentucky Rank 5 Chazz Surratt North Carolina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 24, 2021 Report Share Posted April 24, 2021 Outside linebackers Rank 1 Zaven Collins Tulsa Rank 2 Azeez Ojulari Georgia Rank 3 Joseph Ossai Texas Rank 4 Chris Rumph II Duke Rank 5 Baron Browning Ohio State Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 24, 2021 Report Share Posted April 24, 2021 Cornerbacks Rank 1 Patrick Surtain II Alabama Rank 2 Jaycee Horn South Carolina Rank 3 Caleb Farley Virginia Tech Rank 4 Asante Samuel Jr. Florida State Rank 5 Elijah Molden Washington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted April 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Canton Mike said: I honestly don't think our #1 this year & again next year would be enough to get him. Mike Hypothetically, lets say it is enough. Would you pull the trigger? SDBacker makes a good point - this isn't a top 5 or 10 overall pick we are talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 24, 2021 Report Share Posted April 24, 2021 Safeties Rank 1 Trevon Moehrig TCU Rank 2 Jevon Holland Oregon Rank 3 Jamar Johnson Indiana Rank 4 NR Andre Cisco Syracuse Rank 5 1 Caden Sterns Texas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 24, 2021 Report Share Posted April 24, 2021 Above, I have listed the Top 5 prospects at all of our positions of consideration. Honestly, I don't see a one that I would be willing to part with 2 first round picks for. Do you see any of the Edge Rushers that appear to be head and shoulders above the the others? Same for any other position? There may be a few guys worth moving up some for......but NOT worth and first rounder this year and next. So, to answer the original question: NO, not really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted April 24, 2021 Report Share Posted April 24, 2021 23 minutes ago, Canton Mike said: I honestly don't think our #1 this year & again next year would be enough to get him. Mike Agree...I’m thinking similar compensation we got for the Julio Jones trade. Atlanta gave up 27th, 59th and 124th – and The next year 2012 first- and fourth-round picks, which turned out to be the 22nd and 118th choices that year. This year we would have 1,3,3,4,5,6,7 Next Year 2,3,5,6,7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted April 24, 2021 Report Share Posted April 24, 2021 I barely liked you people enough to begin with. Don't underestimate my willingness to take the "go home" option. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted April 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2021 I'm not really surprised by the lack of willingness to go balls to wall for anyone in this draft. It's not a bad draft, but it really doesn't have that many "holy shit, this guy is going to be a stud" guys in it either. More like, "I like this guy, but it might be better value to just sit and take this other guy" type of draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted April 24, 2021 Report Share Posted April 24, 2021 Have to change your mentality to think of "tiers" of players -- no massive distinction between moehrig and holland, for example. Similarly, Tia's study of McNeil suggests he has a lot of under-utilized/under-appreciated skills that propose his performance will be darn close to Barmore at a rd3 investment rather than a rd1. Browns have more than one or two needs to fill -- at every position. Can't think just 2020 when you're either drafting even in day 3 or identifying "Need" -- many key contributors will be too expensive when 2022 comes around. One good example is OL.. 2021 appears to be the best group we've had in a while [at least since 2020].. but after this year multiple guys will be replaced, and we'll look to draft their replacement next week and get them experience this season. I'm calling it now - Harris will be our starting C in 2022 because cutting Tretter will save 8.5.. and Callahan is a genius of a coach. 2021 is Harrison's last year of his rookie deal.. 2021 is Teller's last year before his giant payday.. We've already committed to contracts just between clowney[3.5m dead in 2022]/johnson/hill/ward/mayfield that increase our salary by 20M from 2021 to 2022. One guy isn't the solution in 2021.. Or 2022, or really ever. Bust potential for any one pick combines with our multitude of needs in 2021 and onward to mean we really shouldn't be forfeiting multiple positions just to jump a few spots up in rd1.. Instead of getting excited about some mid-round-1 guy, my thinking of a "Trade Up" is: We'll have to play more than one super-cheap below-replacement schmuck in 2022 at a position whose 2021 starter's contract became too expensive. We could have drafted a replacement on a rookie contract for him in 2021 using those picks we gave up.. instead, we ended up with talent at only one position instead of 4 or 5. A good model to follow when thinking about how to draft is Baltimore -- Ozzie set the standard there of waiting for a good contributor to fall AND constantly restocking the defense at all levels, every year. Yes, Ravens haven't drafted WR very well.. but the list of good Browns WR's drafted after Braylon Edwards in 2005 is: Gordon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted April 25, 2021 Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 8 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: Sitting at #26 in the first round this year, the Browns are in the strange (for them) position of having to sit and wait for the first round to play out. But is there anyone in this draft that you - if you were in Andrew Berry's shoes - would trade up high enough for that would cost the Browns first rounder next year? Who is the guy in this draft that would make you push all your chips to the center of the table and go all in for? Nope. Either stand or trade back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted April 25, 2021 Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 If one of our wish list sliders DID fall in round 1, I wouldn't want to spend more than our two 4th round picks (plus #26) would move us....and that's pick 20 or 21 (Chicago or Indy, currently). I think we'd be more apt to move up in round 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted April 25, 2021 Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 20 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: More like, "I like this guy, but it might be better value to just sit and take this other guy" type of draft. Good Topic ! Paye or Phillips gone.. vs R-seau or Ojurari, Tryon, Oweh Surtain or Horn gone.. vs Farley or Newsome Parsons gone vs. JOK or Z.Collins or J.Davis Miscellaneous pile of Bateman, Marshall jr., Toney, Moehrig, and a Bama-Barmore I may squirm a little (if/once?) one of Paye/Parsons/Horn/Surtain might slip past pick 12... but I might* get over it ? 🤓 agree... Am not giving next years 1st unless the card name reads Kyle Pitts... and I can't see Stef pounding the table that hard... have ya seen Kyle Pitts ever block? (know when to hold them.know when to fold them.. : ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted April 25, 2021 Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 I think you will see a really good run on QBs, Pass catchers and blockers pushing defenders down the list. At this point I’m more in the camp of moving a 3rd and/or 4th to get into 2nd and take a prospect that may have a first round grade for us. I think Having three picks in the 26-60 range is ideal. Adding depth and significant rotational pieces for this season and in 2022 where they will need to take over as starters. If I’m going to talk out of the other side of my mouth...you could argue that there is maybe a small handful of teams (5-6) that are one unique talent away from setting themselves apart from everyone else. Believe it we are there. Going for it this year is grabbing Kyle Pitts and giving up some draft capital and the #32 overall pick next year. Yes- Ballsy. And He’d be the OBJ insurance for 2022. I’m not asking him to block DE or OLB (we have that Personnel)...just run by them and the SS and the DB and score TDs on the way to 41-28 type wins let the AFC adjust to the Browns 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted April 25, 2021 Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 20 hours ago, SdBacker80 said: Four weeks ago I mentioned the crazy idea of moving up for Kyle Pitts. He might be the weapon to take the team over the top...mismatch red zone threat that would get plenty of single coverage with everything around him. After a move like that and Baker being 2020 Baker and good fortunate (injury free to key players)...why not us? so you give up the #32 overall pick next season. Kind of strange talking about moving up in the Draft after all of those dreary years of being a top 10 or even being on the clock all off season. And to be hosting the Draft to boot. Moving up would put a little excitement into the home crowd and we'll find out starting this Thursday....... can't believe it's finally here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren15 Posted April 25, 2021 Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 If Jaycee Horn gets past Arizona at 16 I would consider moving up to grab him ....reluctant to use a future 1 tho 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted April 25, 2021 Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 This draft will be fun for us since so many go before we pick. We can groan and moan all the way along until we see whether we cheer hard or go "WTF was that!!??"😛😱 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted April 25, 2021 Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 2 hours ago, SdBacker80 said: Going for it this year is grabbing Kyle Pitts and giving up some draft capital and the #32 overall pick next year. Yes- Ballsy. And He’d be the OBJ insurance for 2022. I’m not asking him to block DE or OLB (we have that Personnel)...j But that always tells me (and the defense) that it's a pass play when he's in the game. Steph likes his guys to block for his run game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted April 25, 2021 Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 22 hours ago, Canton Mike said: I honestly don't think our #1 this year & again next year would be enough to get him (talking about Kyle Pitts). Mike 22 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: Hypothetically, lets say it is enough. Would you pull the trigger? SDBacker makes a good point - this isn't a top 5 or 10 overall pick we are talking about. Given where our picks are (and should be), there's a good chance I would, but I'm no GM. I'll trust HIS decision. Mike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren15 Posted April 25, 2021 Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 Anyone got any idea what is happening, tweeted 30 minutes ago ...Sheldon Richardson coming back, Gilmore trade ? @LA_Broadus · 27m We got something brewing in Cleveland huh??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted April 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Canton Mike said: Given where our picks are (and should be), there's a good chance I would, but I'm no GM. I'll trust HIS decision. Mike Are you telling me you are not the General Manager of the Cleveland Browns? No way! 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted April 25, 2021 Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Orion said: But that always tells me (and the defense) that it's a pass play when he's in the game. Steph likes his guys to block for his run game. That’s fine too And you put the defense in a bind when you have a physical specimen with pass catching skills running a 4.4 40 in tight or split out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted April 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 2 hours ago, SdBacker80 said: That’s fine too And you put the defense in a bind when you have a physical specimen with pass catching skills running a 4.4 40 in tight or split out. Having a TE with those athletic skills could make it difficult for opposing defenses to crowd the Browns at the LOS like Kansas City did in the Divisional Playoff game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 25, 2021 Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 4 hours ago, darren15 said: Anyone got any idea what is happening, tweeted 30 minutes ago ...Sheldon Richardson coming back, Gilmore trade ? @LA_Broadus · 27m We got something brewing in Cleveland huh??? Not seeing anything on new wires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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