I don't go to the NFL for my morals

[hish747]

3 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

Who the hell looks up to an NFL player?

Maybe for kids it's about looking up to an NFL player. For adults, it's the underlying moral theme that seeps into our psyche.

[Zombo]

No violence,  no kids, these women were all adults... if you're offended that he tried to get more than a massage with these ladies, then you and your holier than thou attitude is the problem.

Z

[laiccm]

1 hour ago, Tour2ma said:

Also.... none of us follow the Browns for our morale... so there's that.

Unfortunately some do.....check this board

[laiccm]

We have PRESIDENTS who have been accused of starting unnecessary wars, bigotry....heck..we had 1 who had more women alleged to be sexually assaulted than 22...

I'm not holding a fu@$$ football player to a higher standard than a PRESIDENT 

 

[laiccm]

41 minutes ago, hish747 said:

Maybe for kids it's about looking up to an NFL player. For adults, it's the underlying moral theme that seeps into our psyche.

That sounds like parents who blamed Marilyn Manson for their kids being on heroin or gangster rap for shootings.......copout

[Dutch Oven]

I don't go to the NFL for my morels, either.

Usually it is a grocery store. 

[Orion]

3 hours ago, Zombo said:

No violence,  no kids, these women were all adults... if you're offended that he tried to get more than a massage with these ladies, then you and your holier than thou attitude is the problem.

Z

I hear that.  And he's single.  I was explaining to a coworker, Heck, if I was 20 somethin', rich, single, and into messages, I don't know if I can say for 100% certain that I wouldn't ask for the royal treatment.  My coworker said, I would every time.   

I'm just sayin'...if you're famous, you're in the spotlight and the cross-hairs at the same time.  And if you're a star QB in the NFL, then you're famous.  And yes, kids idolize you.  Last week I watched my 6 & 8 year old grandsons at flag football instructional practice.  First time for the little one.  When he got by the defender in the hand-off and run drill...and got to the end of the cones...scoring his first ever TD, he did the cutest little dance.  I was smiling ear to ear, chuckling.......but if it was the 1960's he wouldn't have been doing a dance.  They are what they see.  (Joe Walsh - Too bad for the children, they ARE what they see)

[laiccm]

5 hours ago, Orion said:

I hear that.  And he's single.  I was explaining to a coworker, Heck, if I was 20 somethin', rich, single, and into messages, I don't know if I can say for 100% certain that I wouldn't ask for the royal treatment.  My coworker said, I would every time.   

I'm just sayin'...if you're famous, you're in the spotlight and the cross-hairs at the same time.  And if you're a star QB in the NFL, then you're famous.  And yes, kids idolize you.  Last week I watched my 6 & 8 year old grandsons at flag football instructional practice.  First time for the little one.  When he got by the defender in the hand-off and run drill...and got to the end of the cones...scoring his first ever TD, he did the cutest little dance.  I was smiling ear to ear, chuckling.......but if it was the 1960's he wouldn't have been doing a dance.  They are what they see.  (Joe Walsh - Too bad for the children, they ARE what they see)

Exactly...and its weird that the all got the same attorney and it's just so happens to be the neighbor of the Texans owner...there over 75,000 attorneys in Texas....what are the chances...

Right....but only to a degree. Yes, your kid did a dance after a touchdown he saw ( I used to yell Jordan on fadeaways) but you are teaching him fatherhood with your parenting. You are the biggest and strongest influence in his life. I used to imitate Jordan on the court but I didn't think I could go cursing people out, treating them like trash, pay gambling debts off to mobsters...etc..cuz at the end of the day.as explainedto me thoroughly by my Mom.. I wasn't him.

[Canton Dawg]

3 hours ago, laiccm said:

Exactly...and its weird that the all got the same attorney and it's just so happens to be the neighbor of the Texans owner...there over 75,000 attorneys in Texas....what are the chances…

What are the chances. . .🤔

https://www.cleveland.com/sports/2022/03/houston-attorney-representing-quarterback-deshaun-watson-played-role-in-fraud-trial-of-browns-owner-jimmy-haslams-company.html

[laiccm]

27 minutes ago, Canton Dawg said:

What are the chances. . .🤔

https://www.cleveland.com/sports/2022/03/houston-attorney-representing-quarterback-deshaun-watson-played-role-in-fraud-trial-of-browns-owner-jimmy-haslams-company.html

That's only a little weird.  Haslam sent the private investigators,, they came back with good news and possibly recommended the attorney.  That's not new amongst the wealthy and famous..

The Texans owner and the women's attorney relationship is weird and could be criminal. The FBI got involved....they're not going to get involved because of a quarterback and happy endings that don't even cross state lines.

The FBI will get involved over a potential conspiracy charge involving a billionaire owner and a attorney setting up said quarterback 

[jbluhm86]

As another person mentioned earlier in the thread, Jim Brown is considered to be the greatest Cleveland Browns player in the franchise's history, and probably one of it's most beloved players by Browns fans, many on here included.

He's also confirmed to be a giant fuckin' scumbag when it comes to women.

But sure, go ahead and give your Browns fandom up over someone who's had two grand juries decline to indict him due to lack of evidence and instead continue to idolize a confirmed woman beater and alleged rapist, who actually served jail time for the former charge.

 

[Westside Steve]

15 hours ago, jbluhm86 said:

As another person mentioned earlier in the thread, Jim Brown is considered to be the greatest Cleveland Browns player in the franchise's history, and probably one of it's most beloved players by Browns fans, many on here included.

He's also confirmed to be a giant fuckin' scumbag when it comes to women.

But sure, go ahead and give your Browns fandom up over someone who's had two grand juries decline to indict him due to lack of evidence and instead continue to idolize a confirmed woman beater and alleged rapist, who actually served jail time for the former charge.

 

Fair Point. So both are okay or neither is okay?

WSS

[laiccm]

2 minutes ago, Westside Steve said:

Fair Point. So both are okay or neither is okay?

WSS

Problem is either innocent or 1 of them or neither?

That's what got to be answered first 

[nickers]

16 hours ago, jbluhm86 said:

As another person mentioned earlier in the thread, Jim Brown is considered to be the greatest Cleveland Browns player in the franchise's history, and probably one of it's most beloved players by Browns fans, many on here included.

He's also confirmed to be a giant fuckin' scumbag when it comes to women.

But sure, go ahead and give your Browns fandom up over someone who's had two grand juries decline to indict him due to lack of evidence and instead continue to idolize a confirmed woman beater and alleged rapist, who actually served jail time for the former charge.

 

It still does not excuse Watson for being a DUMB FUCK and getting himself into this mess... Which had he used his fucking head... All couldve been avoided.

 

So whats to stop him from doing more stupid shit?

[laiccm]

3 minutes ago, nickers said:

It still does not excuse Watson for being a DUMB FUCK and getting himself into this mess... Which had he used his fucking head... All couldve been avoided.

 

So whats to stop him from doing more stupid shit?

Most rich, famous dudes in their 20s do stupid sh@#.....

Heck...take away rich and famous and they still do stupid sh@# that can be avoided.

Nothing new......less and less are caring 

[mjp28]

30 minutes ago, laiccm said:

Most rich, famous dudes in their 20s do stupid sh@#.....

Heck...take away rich and famous and they still do stupid sh@# that can be avoided.

Nothing new......less and less are caring 

And put one more big important variable into this equation a virtual unlimited amount of cash to do whatever a young 20-something wants to do with it.

Some like cars, big houses,  fishing,  saving money or whatever.   Ask yourself what would you do in the same situation ?

Remember Ryan Leaf,  Johnny football among others that chose poorly. 

[Westside Steve]

1 hour ago, mjp28 said:

And put one more big important variable into this equation a virtual unlimited amount of cash to do whatever a young 20-something wants to do with it.

Some like cars, big houses,  fishing,  saving money or whatever.   Ask yourself what would you do in the same situation ?

Remember Ryan Leaf,  Johnny football among others that chose poorly. 

Not even so much the money but the fact that you have been pandered to your whole wife as soon as people knew you were a world-class athlete and would soon be rich.

None of the hangers on or going to tell you that what you're doing is f***** up.

And if he actually did what they say he did it's not just stupid stuff. Buying 50 muscle cars or a 50 million dollar mansion is stupid stuff.

WSS

[nickers]

4 minutes ago, Westside Steve said:

Not even so much the money but the fact that you have been pandered to your whole wife as soon as people knew you were a world-class athlete and would soon be rich.

None of the hangers on or going to tell you that what you're doing is f***** up.

And if he actually did what they say he did it's not just stupid stuff. Buying 50 muscle cars or a 50 million dollar mansion is stupid stuff.

WSS

Or doing what MC Hammer did giving his money away to lazy bums...Who did NOTHING...

[laiccm]

29 minutes ago, nickers said:

Or doing what MC Hammer did giving his money away to lazy bums...Who did NOTHING...

Attorneys,  Doctors, Politicians....etc...young, dumb and do all type of crap.

We had a President who had 25 sex allegations who was also raw dogging pornstarstars while having a pregnant wife....

I worked with a criminal defense attorney out of law school.....trust me.......happy endings is nothing....ask Jim Irsay the Colts owner

[nickers]

22 minutes ago, laiccm said:

Attorneys,  Doctors, Politicians....etc...young, dumb and do all type of crap.

We had a President who had 25 sex allegations who was also raw dogging pornstarstars while having a pregnant wife....

I worked with a criminal defense attorney out of law school.....trust me.......happy endings is nothing....ask Jim Irsay the Colts owner

You must be talking about Bill Clinton..

[calfoxwc]

27 minutes ago, laiccm said:

Attorneys,  Doctors, Politicians....etc...young, dumb and do all type of crap.

We had a President who had 25 sex allegations who was also raw dogging pornstarstars while having a pregnant wife....

I worked with a criminal defense attorney out of law school.....trust me.......happy endings is nothing....ask Jim Irsay the Colts owner

the browns never traded away THREE FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS FOR THEM.

Important facts so often get lost in the mire.

[laiccm]

7 minutes ago, nickers said:

You must be talking about Bill Clinton..

Lol....u wish

[laiccm]

2 minutes ago, calfoxwc said:

the browns never traded away THREE FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS FOR THEM.

Important facts so often get lost in the mire.

Where have those  picks gotten us?Important fact also....the Browns have wasted multiple 1st round picks....especially on mediocre QBs.  Manziel, Couch, Baker.....

Rams and Tampa wining the last 2 Superbowls show you how unimportant picks have become

[jbluhm86]

4 hours ago, Westside Steve said:

Fair Point. So both are okay or neither is okay?

WSS

Well, seeing as how one individual had two grand juries decline to advance his charges to trial due to lack of evidence, and another individual who readily admitted to beating women and served jail time for it, I'd say we're arguing apples to oranges here.

Yet I don't see many Browns fans burning Jim Brown jerseys or moving to different fandoms over the outrage of Jim Brown sending a broad off a balcony, so...

Browns fans need to get off their fucking crosses before the price of lumber gets even higher than it already is.

[jbluhm86]

14 minutes ago, calfoxwc said:

the browns never traded away THREE FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS FOR THEM.

Important facts so often get lost in the mire.

Do you have any Jim Brown merchandise or are a Jim Brown fan? If so, aren't you being a tad hypocritical?

[Westside Steve]

19 minutes ago, jbluhm86 said:

Well, seeing as how one individual had two grand juries decline to advance his charges to trial due to lack of evidence, and another individual who readily admitted to beating women and served jail time for it, I'd say we're arguing apples to oranges here.

Yet I don't see many Browns fans burning Jim Brown jerseys or moving to different fandoms over the outrage of Jim Brown sending a broad off a balcony, so...

Browns fans need to get off their fucking crosses before the price of lumber gets even higher than it already is.

Jim Brown went to prison. I don't exactly recall was he charged with assault and battery on women or misdemeanor vandalism? Not that it matters all that much OJ was found not guilty and civil courts still decided to ruin his life such as it was. And absolutely millionaire sports figures rock stars actors politicians business moguls... Probably get away with crossing the line on a regular basis. But speaking of hypocrisy how many people on this board call the Steelers quarterback Rapistburger? How many had a shit fit about Bob Kraft?

At any rate if anybody can prove that all 22 of those chicks were lying I think they should be charged with crimes.

Disagree?

WSS

[jbluhm86]

31 minutes ago, Westside Steve said:

Jim Brown went to prison. I don't exactly recall was he charged with assault and battery on women or misdemeanor vandalism? 

From Jim Brown wikipedia:

"In 1965, Brown was arrested in his hotel room for assault and battery against an 18-year-old named Brenda Ayres; he was later acquitted of those charges. A year later, he fought paternity allegations that he fathered Brenda Ayres' child.

In 1968, Brown was charged with assault with intent to commit murder after model Eva Bohn-Chin was found beneath the balcony of Brown's second-floor apartment. The charges were later dismissed after Bohn-Chin refused to cooperate with the prosecutor's office. Brown was also ordered to pay a $300 fine for striking a deputy sheriff involved in the investigation during the incident. In Brown's autobiography, he stated that Bohn-Chin was angry and jealous over an affair he had been having with Gloria Steinem, and this argument is what led to the "misunderstanding with the police".

In 1970, Brown was found not guilty of assault and battery, the charges stemming from a road-rage incident that had occurred in 1969.

In 1975, Brown was convicted of misdemeanor battery for beating and choking his golfing partner, Frank Snow. He was sentenced to one day in jail, two years' probation, and a fine of $500.

In 1985, Brown was charged with raping a 33-year-old woman. The charges were later dismissed.

In 1986, Brown was arrested for assaulting his fiancée Debra Clark. Clark refused to press charges, though, and Brown was released.

Brown married his second wife Monique Brown in 1997; they have two children. In 1999, Brown was arrested and charged with making terroristic threats toward his wife. Later that year, he was found guilty of vandalism for smashing his wife's car with a shovel. He was sentenced to three years' probation, one year of domestic violence counseling, and 400 hours of community service or 40 hours on a work crew along with a $1,800 fine. Brown ignored the terms of his sentence and in 2000 was sentenced to six months in jail, which he began serving in 2002 after refusing the court-ordered counseling and community service. He was released after 3 months".

31 minutes ago, Westside Steve said:

...At any rate if anybody can prove that all 22 of those chicks were lying I think they should be charged with crimes.

Disagree?

WSS

No disagreement here. But after high profile incidents like the Duke Lacrosse team, Columbia university mattress girl, Brian Banks, etc, where men's lives were ruined over false accusations by women, I'd be forgiven for being skeptical for not taking accusations of sexual assaults by women with no evidence at face value.

And, for the record, I believe that women who make false accusations of rape or sexual assaults should serve the same length of prison that the people they falsely accused would face.

[laiccm]

7 minutes ago, jbluhm86 said:

From Jim Brown wikipedia:

"In 1965, Brown was arrested in his hotel room for assault and battery against an 18-year-old named Brenda Ayres; he was later acquitted of those charges. A year later, he fought paternity allegations that he fathered Brenda Ayres' child.

In 1968, Brown was charged with assault with intent to commit murder after model Eva Bohn-Chin was found beneath the balcony of Brown's second-floor apartment. The charges were later dismissed after Bohn-Chin refused to cooperate with the prosecutor's office. Brown was also ordered to pay a $300 fine for striking a deputy sheriff involved in the investigation during the incident. In Brown's autobiography, he stated that Bohn-Chin was angry and jealous over an affair he had been having with Gloria Steinem, and this argument is what led to the "misunderstanding with the police".

In 1970, Brown was found not guilty of assault and battery, the charges stemming from a road-rage incident that had occurred in 1969.

In 1975, Brown was convicted of misdemeanor battery for beating and choking his golfing partner, Frank Snow. He was sentenced to one day in jail, two years' probation, and a fine of $500.

In 1985, Brown was charged with raping a 33-year-old woman. The charges were later dismissed.

In 1986, Brown was arrested for assaulting his fiancée Debra Clark. Clark refused to press charges, though, and Brown was released.

Brown married his second wife Monique Brown in 1997; they have two children. In 1999, Brown was arrested and charged with making terroristic threats toward his wife. Later that year, he was found guilty of vandalism for smashing his wife's car with a shovel. He was sentenced to three years' probation, one year of domestic violence counseling, and 400 hours of community service or 40 hours on a work crew along with a $1,800 fine. Brown ignored the terms of his sentence and in 2000 was sentenced to six months in jail, which he began serving in 2002 after refusing the court-ordered counseling and community service. He was released after 3 months".

No disagreement here. But after high profile incidents like the Duke Lacrosse team, Columbia university mattress girl, Brian Banks, etc, where men's lives were ruined over false accusations by women, I'd be forgiven for being skeptical for not taking accusations of sexual assaults by women with no evidence at face value.

And, for the record, I believe that women who make false accusations of rape or sexual assaults should serve the same length of prison that the people they falsely accused would face.

Also almost 70% of all rapes go unreported...should we name the college boys who got off from brutal rapes?

[jbluhm86]

7 minutes ago, laiccm said:

Also almost 70% of all rapes go unreported...should we name the college boys who got off from brutal rapes?

Depends on what you believe. Is it better, to paraphrase Benjamin Franklin, for 100 guilty persons to escape than for 1 innocent to suffer unjustly? Or should we go back to the old country style of justice where an individual is guilty until proven innocent?

 

[laiccm]

6 minutes ago, jbluhm86 said:

Depends on what you believe. Is it better, to paraphrase Benjamin Franklin, for 100 guilty persons to escape than for 1 innocent to suffer unjustly? Or should we go back to the old country style of justice where an individual is guilty until proven innocent?

 

I believe statistics, historical data, research and eye witness accounts. 

Even Guilty rapists are getting away or slap on the wrist..see: Brock Turner...especially on college campuses.