Jax Posted September 4, 2023 Report Share Posted September 4, 2023 Amari Cooper could be the Browns first wide receiver to have back to back 1,000 yard seasons. https://www.marca.com/en/nfl/cleveland-browns/2023/09/03/64f4f4c0ca4741d83d8b4589.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted September 4, 2023 Report Share Posted September 4, 2023 17 games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted September 4, 2023 Report Share Posted September 4, 2023 That comes as a little bit of a shock, but then again... 1. The Browns have only had a receiver eclipse 1000 yards 16 times in their history. 2 Ozzie did it twice, but not back-to-back. Tight ends usually don't rack up huge yardage totals. 3. Does anyone remember Gary Barnidge's 79 reception, 1043 yards performance in 2015? I'm reading through the list, and there's a few pretty mediocre players who were on it, but man, I do not remember Barnidge having that season. 4. Not only do I expect Cooper to get 1000 yards (if he stays healthy) but I think he ends up having the most receptions in team history too. 5. Great receivers of the past just didn't catch enough balls to get 1000 yards regularly. Speedie and Lavelli played in an era where a great receiver might catch three balls a game while playing 12 game schedules, and Warfield and Collins' era wasn't much more prolific, even with a 14 game schedule. Sipe and Kosar produced a few really good passing seasons, but both offenses really spread the ball around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted September 4, 2023 Report Share Posted September 4, 2023 If Cooper doesn't get 1000 yds that is not necessarily a bad thing if the team totals are 1000 yds higher than last year. That means Watson is who we hope he is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibleedbrown Posted September 6, 2023 Report Share Posted September 6, 2023 I honestly had no idea the Browns never had a receiver with consecutive 1,000 yard seasons. I guess l assumed a guy like Webster Slaughter or Kevin Johnson did it. Any Twin Peaks fans? I can’t see “Cooper” and not think Agent Cooper. That’s a damn fine cup of football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted September 6, 2023 Report Share Posted September 6, 2023 11 hours ago, Ibleedbrown said: I honestly had no idea the Browns never had a receiver with consecutive 1,000 yard seasons. I guess l assumed a guy like Webster Slaughter or Kevin Johnson did it. Any Twin Peaks fans? I can’t see “Cooper” and not think Agent Cooper. That’s a damn fine cup of football. Paul Warfield mightve done it had we not traded him... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted September 6, 2023 Report Share Posted September 6, 2023 I was thinking Josh Gordon early in his career but he fell short his rookie year. He had a legitimate shot at 2K his second year he was close with Jason Freaking Campbell throwing the ball to him. And I was surprised as well that Webster wasn’t a two time 1000 yard guy and Gary Barnidge had that year in 2015 where he caught everything and made some highlight reel catches. If Cooper stays healthy I don’t see how he doesn’t crack 1K again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted September 6, 2023 Report Share Posted September 6, 2023 6 hours ago, SdBacker80 said: I was thinking Josh Gordon early in his career but he fell short his rookie year. He had a legitimate shot at 2K his second year he was close with Jason Freaking Campbell throwing the ball to him. And I was surprised as well that Webster wasn’t a two time 1000 yard guy and Gary Barnidge had that year in 2015 where he caught everything and made some highlight reel catches. If Cooper stays healthy I don’t see how he doesn’t crack 1K again. They play 17 friggen games a year. That's less than 60 yards a game. Lets quit acting like 1000 yards is a lot. Elite receivers should gain around 1400 yards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted September 6, 2023 Report Share Posted September 6, 2023 37 minutes ago, ballpeen said: They play 17 friggen games a year. That's less than 60 yards a game. Lets quit acting like 1000 yards is a lot. Elite receivers should gain around 1400 yards. Yet some “elite” WRs don’t. The added game helps meet the total but there were more 1000 yard WRs back in 2019 than last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted September 7, 2023 Report Share Posted September 7, 2023 That is my point. I don't think they are elite just like I don't think that backs who gain 1000 yards are all that good. We hold the player of today to standards when players played 12-14 games a season. Chumps from 30 years ago would be superstars today. The new standard for backs should be around 1500 yards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted September 7, 2023 Report Share Posted September 7, 2023 I just want him to be elite every time I use him on my FFL team. 🤩 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted September 7, 2023 Report Share Posted September 7, 2023 On 9/6/2023 at 5:16 PM, ballpeen said: They play 17 friggen games a year. 1st reply to this thread. [quote]Chumps from 30 years ago would be superstars today. [/quote] oh boy... [quote]Lets quit acting like 1000 yards is a lot. [/quote] ...it has a nice 'ring' to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted September 8, 2023 Report Share Posted September 8, 2023 10 hours ago, Orion said: 1st reply to this thread. [quote]Chumps from 30 years ago would be superstars today. [/quote] oh boy... [quote]Lets quit acting like 1000 yards is a lot. [/quote] ...it has a nice 'ring' to it. You have to use the word chumps in context. I don't mean scrubs. If Frenchy Fuqua played 17 game seasons he would have gained near 1000 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted September 8, 2023 Report Share Posted September 8, 2023 1 hour ago, ballpeen said: You have to use the word chumps in context. I don't mean scrubs. If Frenchy Fuqua played 17 game seasons he would have gained near 1000 yards. I heard ya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax Posted September 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2023 Like others said, I too was surprised when I first read this. Whether we now play 17 or 20 games it's still nice to watch how these guys progress over the season towards some type of marker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted September 9, 2023 Report Share Posted September 9, 2023 Modern Era sees more throws to WR3, TE2 and others than in years past. Also, this team's WR room is more substantial than the Josh Gordon and Terrelle Pryor volume era where one guy was the only NFL talent on the roster and so would continue to feast even with a 40% drop rate. I don't think Cooper will get 1000 this season, but I wouldn't be surprised if he does. I want to see Moore, Tillman, and Bell do more because one of DPJ or Cooper is gone in 2024. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvoethe Posted September 9, 2023 Report Share Posted September 9, 2023 We were the first team with 25 starting qbs in 15 yrs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted September 10, 2023 Report Share Posted September 10, 2023 15 hours ago, Kvoethe said: We were the first team with 25 starting qbs in 15 yrs Who knows. Maybe the last. An all-time record! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax Posted December 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 Looking pretty good I see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 On 9/3/2023 at 10:52 PM, Orion said: 17 games. That's true, but he's going to do it in game 16. 😉 With the longer seasons, a lot of those records are rendered obsolete. Jim Brown racked up 1,000+ yards rushing in 12 and 14 game seasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 On 9/6/2023 at 9:35 PM, ballpeen said: That is my point. I don't think they are elite just like I don't think that backs who gain 1000 yards are all that good. We hold the player of today to standards when players played 12-14 games a season. Chumps from 30 years ago would be superstars today. The new standard for backs should be around 1500 yards. True 'Peen... I had to go to Pro Football Reference and get out the calculator. Jim Brown gained a tad over 1,500 yards in a 12 game season. That's 125 yard average EVERY game. Extrapolate that to 17 games, and it works out to 2,100 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 On 9/3/2023 at 9:44 PM, Jax said: Amari Cooper could be the Browns first wide receiver to have back to back 1,000 yard seasons. https://www.marca.com/en/nfl/cleveland-browns/2023/09/03/64f4f4c0ca4741d83d8b4589.html But we can add in five more 1,000 yard seasons he had with other teams. Oh, I had to look it up, Cooper's career yardage of 9,200 easily surpasses Newsom's total. FWIW he'll need around 1,000 more career yards to break into the top 50 all time. And checking that list, records are made to be broken, but Jerry Rice's 22,000 is the Mount Everest of receiving yards. no one will get close to that in our lifetimes, 17 game seasons or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 25 minutes ago, hoorta said: That's true, but he's going to do it in game 16. 😉 With the longer seasons, a lot of those records are rendered obsolete. Jim Brown racked up 1,000+ yards rushing in 12 and 14 game seasons. Game 15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 On 9/4/2023 at 8:38 AM, Dutch Oven said: That comes as a little bit of a shock, but then again... 1. The Browns have only had a receiver eclipse 1000 yards 16 times in their history. 2 Ozzie did it twice, but not back-to-back. Tight ends usually don't rack up huge yardage totals. 3. Does anyone remember Gary Barnidge's 79 reception, 1043 yards performance in 2015? I'm reading through the list, and there's a few pretty mediocre players who were on it, but man, I do not remember Barnidge having that season. 4. Not only do I expect Cooper to get 1000 yards (if he stays healthy) but I think he ends up having the most receptions in team history too. 5. Great receivers of the past just didn't catch enough balls to get 1000 yards regularly. Speedie and Lavelli played in an era where a great receiver might catch three balls a game while playing 12 game schedules, and Warfield and Collins' era wasn't much more prolific, even with a 14 game schedule. Sipe and Kosar produced a few really good passing seasons, but both offenses really spread the ball around. Well said - appreciate the research! As frustrating as it got sometimes with the dropsies, it's still hard to believe that Braylon Edwards found the focus for the following in 2007: 80 rec 1289 yards 16.1 avg 16 TDs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax Posted December 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 I didn't realize Braylon had such a good season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 16 minutes ago, Jax said: I didn't realize Braylon had such a good season. Braylon had one memorable season.. it all went south after that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 (edited) 22 hours ago, Jax said: I didn't realize Braylon had such a good season. Yeah, it's hard to believe. While we're at it - the Browns went 10-6 in that 2007 season and did NOT make the playoffs. That same year NE went 16-0 and did not win the Super Bowl... Edited December 20, 2023 by Flugel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Flugel said: Yeah, it's hard to believe. While we're at it - the Browns went 10-6 in that 2007 season and did NOT make the playoffs. The same year New England went 16-0 and did NOT make it to the Super Bowl. They lost to the Giants in the Super Bowl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: They lost to the Giants in the Super Bowl That's right, thanks Dutch! I was mixing up the post season in 2007 which was from the 2006 regular season. That year, the Colts played Chicago in the Super Bowl and that's what I was thinking about (due to the calendar year of the post season). The early senior moments are adding up lately. I fixed it - I mean you fixed it. 😆 Edited December 20, 2023 by Flugel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 12 hours ago, Flugel said: The early senior moments are adding up lately. I fixed it - I mean you fixed it. 😆 Monu-mental task to say the least.🙃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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