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Superbowl loser almost always have a worse following season, still very young, won't sneak up on anyone, will be the hunted, AFC is insane with talent this season and strength of schedule is very tough. What is your bold prediction for the upcoming season?

Bengals top 5 Then Steelers Then us Then Ravens NFC East has the least dificult while the AFC West has the most difficult.

And we would be where we at now while Ben is moonwalking into the HOF. People are just gonna have to eat a reality bullet....you're gonna have a player(s) with horrible issues on every winning squad. They maynot come to light but it is what it is. ex. You really think Belicheck and NE didn't know Hernandez was a murdering psychopath? As detailed oriented that organization is?? But you always hear the "Patriot Way"....right? I'm at a point...if the court of law clears you...that's it..game on.

Exactly. Hue didn't say anything....bunch of these dudes are just triggered by his mere name being mentioned. Truth is.....of course the Browns were tanking but that's not unusual. The unusual is the announcement by the league because from a legal standpoint...the Browns did something that was too obvious to be ignored

Maaaan if SF do that!!

I disagree on 1 point...the picks and what we gave up mean not so much. For decades we had picks and was millions under the cap....where that ever get us?

is it a coincidence that they do that the day after Baker's podcast drops?

I wonder did she cancel her Indians tickets after Albert Belle purposely ran over those kids? Lol

Why do u keep repeating this lie??

I'm not an Attorney but worked for a criminal defense attorney for 7 years out of law school. These moves look like shots in the dark to make sure they are financially compensated by adding these additions and inlongating the process The league maynot suspend him until year 2...which Watson and his representation was trying to avoid for multiple reasons.

Nope...that wasn't the dynamic with your guy. He ran to the press and said only he makes that decision. If your the no.1 pick, medical staff cleared you and you coming off a playoff win and you do that...wtf is Stefanski supposed to do? He put himself infront of the team...and they both lost because of it

Baker wasn't allowed to play hurt...he FORCED it. Remember Baker going to the press basically saying only HE can make that decision. He bet on himself in a contract year and lost

Correct...KC had better wide recievers...but not a betterline or runnignbacks or defense. Judge ordered him to answer if he had sept with the 18 women who actually came to his defense and his attorney asked for relevance. Legally the " shot in the dark". We also so Baker just be terribly inaccurate...He is leading the league in interceptions for a reason Not a waste...its the only shot. You can have a great roster (Rams, Tampa) but without an eite QB (Stafford and Brady vs Goff and Weisnten) you're not winning a Superbowl. What has picks gotten us before? How many 1st round picks have we wasted on QBs who we HOPE were good but turned out to be mediocre or bad? Yes...the Rams were a complete team.....that kind of makes it worse that he still succeeded. Guess who also was a complete team...the Browns

With their back up....Baker couldn't outplay the back up. Yes...that was a horrible missed call....also wouldve been null and void had Mahomes not got injured

I think you forget we were about to get blown out before Mahomes got injured and that we had multiple chances

I mean...What negatively could happen at its worse. That's like me saying we are no doubt blowing everyone out through to the Superbowl. Unnecessarily extreme...lol

Yes, Tampa had a ready roster....like us. That's my point. Then they got lucky and got the GOAT. Maybe a sematic but who cares how it got built...just that it's built The difference between them (Landry, OBJ and Hooper) and Baker is that they were Pro Bowlers who are dependant on the QB. OBJ just won a SB and was maybe on his way to a MVP before shredding his knee. Wasn't the no,1 guy but he was catching touchdowns.... A QB is very, very prized. You can find receivers....but a top QB? You can call Njoku not elite (we will see this season) but Baker had way more than enough to be successful this year is really the bottomline. How many teams had a better roster than the Browns is really the bottomline? Rams, Tampa, KC and maybe Buffalo...those 4 teams went far and 1 won it all....we didn't even make the playoffs... COACH IN THE HOOOOOOOUSE!! U love the game don't you brother? Yeah...the money is a issue...but money will be an issue with Cincy, Baltimore, Denver, Pitt...already with KC. I am hoping in just 2-3 seasons the contract has much less effect. With the suspension it's wait and see..I don't think Brissett will be awful but will not be good. Hopefully it's 4 games but you're correct...Watson will have to play at A MVP level(wghat we saw last of him). Hopefully he still got it 100% correct----that's the Ratbirds game plan...out player you at point of attack. But it didn't work last year so their QB put on a cape and almost single handidly carried them...now they will have to pay him 300 mill guaranteed...hehehe Absolutly great analysis of what happened in those games with him. I think that's where we differ...I believe now you do need an elite QB to make it or win......if not you better have a helluva team. The AFC alone is a warzone now and that's post that epic Championship shootout with Allen and Mahomes GREAT TALKING TO YOU COACH....I appreciate it

I think you should post more. I may disagree with some of your points but they are good and thought out. 1. I didn't bring up he already didn't play last season. I think people do that because he was not indicted and the league is so inconsistent with their penalties....never know. 2. I believe the Hopkins deal got him on fire, he signed it, then the Texans kept doing dumb things ....I think a Pastor runs their football operations. They are one if not the worst ran franchise in sports. See what JJ Watt did... 3. No matter how a team got there....they there. Elite QB with very talented teammates at all costs.Brady brought AB, Gronk...etc. By all means necessary Rather picks or salaries. Remember all the chatter about the Rams mortgaging their future? Giving up the world for Stafford...getting this guy, that guy...still doing it. They are now the reigning Superbowl Champions. All of the contenders have elite QBs and very talented teammates. The rest have no chance. 4. I think it's moot point. if you don't have a elite QB...you have no chance in today's NFL. The fact that Watson is elite, Baker isn't...is kinda the bottomline 5. I agree 6. If Allen, Mahomes, Wilson, Allen, Watson, Burrows, Lamar, Stafford, Tom, Russell, Herbert were in the exact same situation as Baker....would they still be without a team? The answer to that question is what I am getting at. Baker had a top 5 oline, defense, and rushing attack with OBJ, Landry, Hooper and Njoku....what else do you need? For comparison in our own division Jackson had no running backs because of torn ACLs, bottom oline, bottom defense, bottom and hurt receivers...yet the Ratbirds were 7-3 and was 8-5 till he got injured. Why? Cuz their QB was top 10 in passing and rushing yards at the time. 7. Let's assume that's true.....how many present day players on our team who are presently at their peak can wait for a rookie of next season? You speak as if the Browns have to get pieces. Their team is ready to win right now. It's not at a building stage. I use Brady because at the end of the day...Tampa is built just like all the other contenders....elite QB at all costs with very talented teammates Nothing is ever clear cut.....but forth your best effort...that's all we can ask.

I believed it was your first reply...but ok If you want whatever in that yard sale and afraid someone else is going to get it...you grab it-immediately-u don't wait. It's a Jackie Robinson rookie card and all the neighbors found out at the same time....then what happens? His mouth or antics don't concern you but you're not an owner.....so it obviously concerning teams. Does it really natter why someone comes here as along as they produce? Idgaf abou tthe reasons....I'm not a friend or family member of the player. Just produce. Seems as if you're getting upset of what "could" happen....ask yourself this....did the Browns have the best roster of all the reported teams after Watson? If the answer is yes....then that's it. Have we won or even been to a Superbowl yet? I think you're ignoring the present day NFL conditions which the last 2 Superbowl winners proved to be. Our FO see it and acting on it. Bravo for the Browns for one of the very first times being a tad ahead of the curve

Actually your point was regarding ethics. The deal ? Really? The deal will be mid level in 2 years and the Browns are still 20 mill under the cap. Where did the previous road get us before? Crippled us from what....no Superbowl . Burrows, Jackson and who ever the Steelers get will be getting more...thus screwing them. As in his bout with the Texans...ask JJ Watt and D .Hopkins about it. No one but you and Texans fans had a problem with Watson not playing there. It was waaay more than just who they hired..... I'm saying Baker is good if everything around him is damn near great. -not elite. Other than that...the league is showing you what they think. He is only 18 mill and no one is trying to beat down his door. His mouth and antics with inferior play is costing him. As in his injuries...he got injured behind a top line....what makes you think he won't again? He decided to play and he decided no one else could make that decision. Well......that's on him

You make valid points but the bottomline is winning games....which is obvious... You think as detailed oriented as the Pats are that they didn't know Aaron Herneadez was a murdering psycho? Let alone Goodell throwing away their cheat tapes You think the Ravens didn't try and hide the fact that ray Lewis was involved in a double murder and paid off both families? Heck, he is a liaison for the league now You play to win the game.....when you win the Superbowl...no one cares about anything else

Exactly.....because WTF has the previous methods gotten us?

No...but they were paying the guys on defense like they're quarterbacks......Ed Reed, Ray Lewis.... Besides...it's a new NFL. Tampa and the Rams showed this. Get the elite QB, Go all in on the pieces around him....that's your best bet.

For some odd reason I actually pictured this and literally laughed out loud