tiamat63

Dude ain't gonna last long running the option at 185lbs.

I'll take those odds.

Define top 3? In Passer Rating? In QBR? etc etc Half of the games? Easy enough to understand 60% of his passes is another tricky one. If he starts only 2 games with a very friendly and conservative game plan, that isn't a stretch to reach 60% in the modern NFL. Ravens to the Playoffs.... another easy one to understand. I would have to include something like... Has* to start at least 6 games for the stats portion to be something I'd accept. Anything less than that is too small of a sample size.

Unfortunately Lamar won't be starting year one so we can't bet over RoTY. So we could bet on Lamar going to the pro bowl his first full year starting.

Give me until this weekend to think of terms that would be Cam Newton-esque.

sig bet... let's go

Only, Lamar doesn't run a 4.3. He doesn't have the first step or lateral movement of Vick. Nobody has since and chances are you won't see that in our lifetime. Also, Vicks success against NFL defenses from 2001 vs 2010 was rather up and down. The athletic premium put on the other side of the ball to stop or limit these runners has really been quite impressive over the last 10 years. Do we think of Vick as 'Vick' if he started playing 10 years later vs 2000? Me thinks not so much.

Great kid, don't get me wrong. He seems very humble and hard working. But if you can detail to me in a paragraph or less what makes him so much more capable of being an NFL QB than say.... Pryor was when leaving tOSU - I might be willing to listen. Keep in mine, Terrelle worked in a pro-style offense, under center, with 3, 5 and 7 step drops. Actually, I'll challenge anyone here that likes Jackson to answer that question. What traits and flashes have you seen of Lamar that would begin to make you believe he is somehow going to be an elite or even above average QB one day? Of course I ask this to be contrasted with Terrelle Pryor circa 2011. (Won't happen) Aaaaaaand GO!

Good for us. They don't take an impact player and settle for taking somebody at the most important position in sports who will, at best, see the field in 2-3 years and will be mighty shaky as a passer even then. This is a pick we should celebrate the ratbirds for taking.

So I see this thread is still ongoing... which means you haven't sought mental help.

Leak. It was Leak at QB. Well, for the first half at least. Couldn't tell you what happened during the 2nd and too date I refuse to watch any video or clips of that game.

Just saw the box score, haven't had a chance to watch anything else. Looks like a kick straight to the finger but I tend to not elevate or destroy a player based on one game. That said... it was not a good game.

Oh I'm going to shadow this fore all over the place post bowl season.

Footwork and decisive throws are most important in the shotgun. Sure I'd like to see some under center work but I'm not panicked about it. Especially when you have to take your eyes off the defense to catch the snap. Thus less time seeing what they're doing. So if you can work from the gun and still deliver the goods, I'm going to take notice of that.

Already started a write up on my Benkert vs Rosen. Won't finish it until after the bowl season. it'll be my most extensive. I've started watching all throws from week 1 forward for the both of them. Picked that task up last week. There's a reason I'm digging this thread up and re-affirming my position in said 'camp'.

Just here to shed some light. For me, Kurt is not only a rising name, but I feel has the chance of being the best QB in this draft.

STFU and let the man work. I for one see what he's doing.

Ok so you're just trolling for responses at this point. Gotchya. No sane person would buy this and I'm not investing time while you laugh at the responses.

Just messaged a kid I graduated with who was stationed at LAFB last year. Shmucking around I asked him about the marine incursion and lock down... His reply. "LOL WHAT". So uhh... yeah. I'll see myself out. What's scary is JF is allowed to vote.

A little foreshadow.... it won't.

"Zero Hedge" Holy.... Shmuck. I seriously mean this, step back from the ledge.

Jesus Christ you need help.

From what I've seen thus far, that is exactly what I would do. Only other QB so far in my discussion is Rudolph.

He won't be available late.

*Opens door* What up? Going to stretch out on the couch here. Anybody got the Wifi password?