Dutch Oven
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I reveal one question a day... That will lead right up to the Super Bowl, which is Question #14. Because I'm an idiot, I forgot that and did two yesterday. I will reveal Question #3 tomorrow.
I keeps it suspenseful like... 😝
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Sigh.
That's all I can say about this.
Sigh.
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2. Bengals record?
Zombo: 6-10
jcam222: 7-9
Tour2ma: 6-10
Nero: 6-10
Coyote: 9-7
mjp: 4-12
Bob806: 9-6-1
FlyinJ: 7-9
Flugel: 7-9
gumby: 7-8-1
DutchOven: 6-10
JDailey: 7-9
Answer: The Bengals were not expected to do much by we brave guessers of Dutch's Questions, we few, we band of idiots. So, of course, they started the season 4-1. But like a fart in the wind, they disappeared, limping home the rest of the way to a 6-10 finish, costing longtime head coach Marvin Lewis his job.
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner: In a sea of predictions of mediocrity for the Browns hillbilly cousins to the southeast, four seamen Zombo, Tour2ma, Nero and DutchOven correctly predicted a 6-10 campaign for the Bengals.
And the Big Dummy Award goes to... Only one poster predicted a winning season for Cincinnati: Coyote.
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1. Browns record?
Zombo: 10-6
jcam222: 7-9
Tour2ma: 6-10
Nero: 6-10
Coyote: 6-10
mjp: 5-10-1
Bob806: 9-6-1
FlyinJ: 8-8
Flugel: 8-8
gumby: 5-11
DutchOven: 4-12
JDailey: 5-11
Answer: The 2018 Cleveland Browns, like the Phoenix of lore, rose from the ashes of four wins in the previous three seasons combined to come within a Ghoolie hair of their third winning season since they came back to the NFL in 1999, finishing 7-8-1.
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner: First, hats off to mjp and Bob806... Mocked for your prediction of a tie, you were able to stick up your proverbial middle finger at your naysayers and scream: "I fart in your general direction!" Sadly though, neither of you won this question. No one predicted a 7-8-1 season (go figure!), but I will award wins to jcam222, FlyinJ and Flugel for all being within a half win!
And the Big Dummy Award goes to... An award I gladly and happily accept for grossly underestimating a Browns win total, thee big dummy is DutchOven!
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It will be interesting to see how the Browns react to actually having expectations on them now.
It's one thing to jump from horrible to decent... but another thing to go to contender.
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52 minutes ago, The Gipper said:
Sure I muddied the water by bringing in the facts as to why a major league baseball player makes more on average than an NFL player. All I did was put context to whatever it was you were arguing about sorry if the truth got in the way of whatever it is you’re dealing with. It’s like you are saying God is dead and I don’t want to know anymore about it. Where I am telling you why he died
Nobody cares why baseball players get paid more than football players. That has NOTHING to do with this debate, but you felt the need to throw it in.
A reason some people think that if things are relatively equal a person would be smart to choose baseball over football is the fact that baseball players, ON AVERAGE, make over twice a year more than football players. Only you would start to argue about why this is, when it has nothing to do with the original argument.
I'm sure you'll respond again to this, and I'll just tell you now that I'm done. I've seen this act before.
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6 hours ago, The Gipper said:
The hell it doesn’t. we’re talking about the total revenues of a team and how it has to be spread out among the players that play for that team. When you have 53 on the roster that is double the amount that a baseball team has. So obviously you have to try to spread similar money Because each of the leagues make similar money to double the players. what is it about that you don’t understand
The entire crux of this argument is that a person is or not nuts by deciding to choose playing football professionally over baseball.
Arguments for baseball include: Less chance for catastrophic injury, better long-term health and a higher salary on average.
YOU decided to muddy the ol' argument waters by throwing out overall payrolls by sports for reasons only you would understand. Multiple people then concluded that you did so solely for the sake of arguing. I believe it to be a sound theory.
Edit: An average MLB player made $4.4 mill a season as of 2018, ALL OF WHICH IS GUARANTEED. An average NFL player made $1.9 mill a season as of 2018.
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12 hours ago, The Gipper said:
You would likely be wrong then. The NFL has over double the roster size of any of the other major team sports....so that is the major reason for lower individual salaries. That plus the wide disparity in duties among the position. An OG is not going to make as much as a QB or a good pass rusher. It is simple math. I suggest that if you look at the overall money that is paid out to the players on team rosters in each sport, the NFL could likely pay out a lot more than any of the other sports.
Are you arguing just for the sake of arguing?
The point was that an average MLB player makes more than the average NFL player.
What the overall team payrolls are has absolutely NOTHING to do with this debate.
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4 hours ago, Nero said:
I would take the Baseball money, though I had to play the most boring sport on Earth
I'm confused Nero... If Murray took the baseball money, why would he have to play soccer? 😊
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1 minute ago, Mark O said:
Im really only repeating what I've heard and that is that he's a first round QB in this year's draft. Hell Kliff Klingsbutter said he'd pick him number 1 overall so maybe the Cardinals will take him first and trade Rosen. Who knows.
Absolutely.
Like I said earlier, I might not totally agree with you, but you make a very well thought-out argument for your stance. Well done, Mark.
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Just now, tiamat63 said:
Murray is being hyped by those desperate for ratings and the impending off season drag as a 1st round pick. But the film don't like unless somebody is willing to go full Jimmy Haslam.
That said, in the context of your argument I understand.
Mark makes a great argument, but I'd buy it a little more if it was say Baker Mayfield deciding between entering the NFL Draft or going the MLB route.
I'm just not buying Murray as a NFL longterm QB.
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1 minute ago, Mark O said:
It could....but he'll get a few years of NFL money which is more than he's gonna make playing in Modesto next season.
He was already given a $4.5 mill signing bonus by the A's, Mark.
I know he already was thought enough to be the #9 overall pick in the MLB draft.
I just don't see that for him in the NFL. Maybe I'm vastly underrating his NFL future? Perhaps.
All things equal, if you told me I could be a very good NFL player or a very good MLB player, I'm picking baseball every day and twice on Sundays.
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1 minute ago, Mark O said:
The number 1 over all pick started in High A ball in Lakeland, Florida. Murry would be playing single A for the A's in front of 3000 people tops. The number 2 overall pick (a catcher) played for the Salem-Keizer Volcanoes in short season A ball. So yeah, he's going to be playing in some podunk single A ball league in front of no fans and riding a bus between games.
I'll take the NFL and more money per year even on his rookie contract than he's going ot make playing single A baseball.
Give me the list of 5'9" QBs who had long, productive NFL careers.
His size wouldn't affect his MLB career in the least.
His size might get him killed in the NFL.
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4 minutes ago, Mark O said:
But the MLB contract and big money only happens if he makes it to the majors. Otherwise he's playing for peanuts and riding a bus seeing the hotspots of California like Stockton and Modesto. I'd take the NFL money rather than the long minor league road to the majors.
The big money QB contract only comes if he makes it past his rookie contract and proves to someone that he's worth a huge veteran franchise QB contract.
He was already given $4.5 mill by MLB as a 1st round draftee, and its not like he's starting his career playing in some Podunk rookie league in front of 300 people.
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He's insane.
MLB contracts are guaranteed, baseball players have longer careers with waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less stress on their bodies, and when they hit 50 years old they won't need to be in a nursing home because of early on-set dementia caused by head injuries.
He must love football way more than baseball, because if he likes the sports even remotely the same, it is idiotic to pick football over baseball.
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I think Ray Horton would be an intriguing hire as DC.
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13 minutes ago, Flugel said:
Anyone remember the Head Coach that wanted to draft Tim Tebow in round 1? It was Josh McDaniels, right before puberty, in his temporary coaching life without Tom Brady and Bill Belichick.
How thankful are the Indy Colts that they ended up with Frank Reich?
Tebow getting drafted as high as he did was possibly the biggest head-scratcher I've ever seen in the NFL Draft.
Well, that and one John "William" Manziel getting taken #22 overall. 😝
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3 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:
Worth noting both have a terrible throwing motion that involves first dropping the elbow and almost windmill like windup. Though at times LJ has a from the eye type sidearm.
It was almost impressive how long Tebow had played QB with a throwing motion that looked like he was throwing with his wrong arm.
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3 hours ago, Mark O said:
I have to agree with Pluto here. I think as it stands right now my preference would be keeping what we have now with Williams as HC and Kitchens as OC and play caller. Listened to the Bruce Arians interview today and he still says he'd love the Browns job and wouldn't call plays so that would mean to me that if he were to come here, Kitchens stays in place under Arians which is fine as well. Mostly to me, I don't want to see the offense messed with. There's been a noticeable difference with Bakers play with Kitchens calling the plays. I'm not the biggest Williams fan in the world but hard to argue with the change for the better he's brought to the team since we let Huey and Toad walk the plank.
I can't remember who was interviewed yesterday evening on 92.3, but they brought up the fact that while Kitchens was a coach under Arians he was moved from QB coach to RBs coach for someone else (Byron Leftwich?), and apparently Kitchens wasn't very happy about this at all.
Almost sounds like perhaps Arians and Kitchens wouldn't be a perfect match, after all?
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8 hours ago, mjp28 said:
For a young team I would prefer an earlier BYE to get everyone on the same page maybe around week 6 or 7.
I still remember the '99 season where the Browns got their bye week in Week 17.
Thanks, NFL. 🤣
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1 hour ago, Westside Steve said:
I might have to pick this book up.
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7 hours ago, MLD Woody said:
OSU fans are the ones that think something is wrong. Heaven forbid some games not go well.
It will be hilarious if Urban is gone after this year though
Why?
Was it hilarious for Michigan fans after Tressel got fired and Urban walked in and OSU kept owning the Wolverines?
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Just now, Clevfan4life said:
back to.this willekes kid....anyone else prelim interested? i think we've already won too many games to.get bosa or oliver. The announcers said he's one of the best pass rushers in college but id never heard of him
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I'll have to read up on him, get a feel on him... what has he done in his whole career, his measurable, whatnot.
I can't shake the idea of him being another Carl Nassib. (But am not writing him off as that right now, though)
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8 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:
If we're this far into the Meyer era, and he's playing Michigan at home, but you're saying Michigan SHOULD win then something has gone wrong in Columbus. Meyer may very well be out this off-season. Meaning you kept him around, with all of the negative publicity, only to get rid of him anyway.
Eh, it's just been "that" type of year. Hard to explain, it's just been off from the start.
I find if funny that a TTUN fan thinks something drastic must be wrong in Columbus if the Wolverines might actually beat them.... 🤣
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