CoachToad

1 minute ago, The Gipper said:

Well....sort of:   I see that I am speaking with passion, and that you are acting like a bitch. 

And no, I don't think he should show passion in the film room.  I want him to be studious, intellectual attentive, and synthetical in there. (as I am being here for the most part) And by all reports he is exactly that.

I obviously mean showing passion by living in the damn film room. Jesus dude. Have you ever actually played a sport? I know you are a big dude. Do you get out much?

4 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

OK, so the great cliche machine speaks.  Fine, of course those are the things you and every other peewee league coach can and has advocated.  Except for the shit you just made up.  (like never losing your cool with the media....you made that one up for purposes of THIS conversation.  I doubt you ever coached a team that ever even had media coverage) . 

And to my mind, Baker exhibits all that.  Being in Seattle, and only just paying attention to the Browns here in the last week, I doubt seriously that you have even him much at all.  What you don't apparently like is that he vociferously exhibits his disdain for losing.

And, I guess, if you can't handle that, as I said to Dutch, that is YOUR problem.

I will simply close by  giving you the response that Baker gave:

Everybody wants to hear the truth until they actually get it.... I am who I am and always have been. Don’t call it emotional when it’s convenient and then passion when it fits. I care about winning, so yeah I’m frustrated. If I was to act like it’s okay to lose, then y’all would say that I’ve gotten complacent. My sense of urgency is at an all time high. And if I offend anybody along the way... that’s too bad.

So...bottom line...as Baker said:  if you don't like ...too bad

Ok Gipper. I have been on both sides of media. Feel free to go to spotify and look up the Highline Bear's podCast. One of the episodes has my name and it is called for the love of white center.  I can give you many other examples of media I have done as well. It is about a 20 minute interview on baseball, community and leadership. You are probably a good guy but you don't know shit my friend.

1 minute ago, The Gipper said:

A.  I don't need a thesaurus to write this way...it is just a function of education I guess.   Ask anyone here.  B. I have never played Fantasy Football.  I have no use for it.

No offense but you lack street smarts on this topic. You obviously don't understand how to lead athletes or how a locker room needs to be understood. A team is a family. When they are good they love each other like family. When the family leader acts like a bitch and panics, it hurts the family. You can't see that from a coach man.

1 minute ago, The Gipper said:

Of course he isn't, but as I said, he is being excoriated for not suppressing his particular passion about it. 

I don't think you are stupid. I think you are screwing around. You get the difference between passion and acting like a bitch right? How about he shows that passion in the film room

4 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

Exactafucking mundo.   All it takes is a winning streak.  Play smarter, play better, execute properly.  What it does NOT take is a directive to "subdue your passion for the game and subdue your disdain for losing".  The exact same behavior would not even be an issue if they did not lose some of these games.

So, instead of saying to Baker:  play and act robotically and unemotionally, tell him: eliminate the mistakes.....and have the coaches and the rest of the team help you there

Dude, read the post. He is saying Mayfield is acting like a bitch. It is true that a winning strwak will change perspectives. It is also true that his recent behavior will hurt the chances of that happening.

1 minute ago, The Gipper said:

It IS about leadership.    and yes, absolutely, this team needs to be more focused, and more disciplined.  But that has fuck all to do with what Baker did in an interview.  

Hating to lose is one form or leadership (better than the alternate that you apparently advocate).  Like you said, you can't measure a player's heart on a chart or stat sheet.  Baker's heart and his desire to win are first rate. (he does not have a Grinch sized heart that you apparently want).    If he happens to show more passion and anger over losing....if he shows his emotions on his shirt sleeves, well, that is just his personality.   But, apparently you prefer that he be Ben Stein like.

You don't have a clue what I am advocating. I will give you a hint couch fan. 1) demonstrate confidence and accountability 2) live in the film room 3) be the 1st in the facility and last out every day 4) never lose your cool with the media in public. Always demonstrate control 5) never show up your team in public 6) hold your team accountable 7) Act like a winner, talk winning, preach winning until you win. 😎 love your teammates unconditionally.

To win you have to have a process that you execute. It is a result or consequence of circumstances that you create. It is not something that just happens.

Just now, Dutch Oven said:

Who the fuck likes to lose? What a stupid argument to make... like Baker is some kind of oddity who hates to lose. 

What can't be argued is that he can't seem to handle losing. His skin is paper-thin now. 

Gipper is to busy with his thesaurus to inderstand that. He is setting his fantasy football lineup as we speak. He is all alone on an island. Wow.

Just now, The Gipper said:

You are one feculent fool,  aren't you.  

Yes, we DO need more Mayfield magic.  The kind that he has shown that he is capable of.  Not the guy that is making the bad mistakes.  

And I guaranfuckingdamntee you that this team knows that they need him to be that guy.  

Maybe in your coaching career you were blase about losing. But,  Again, please discontinue this whole transference thing you have going where you assign your own shortcomings and failures on to others. 

Baker just hates to lose.   Savvy Ingles?

We all hate to lose. Your big words do not mean that you know how to lead arhletes. 1) I want the Browns to win. 2) I want Mayfield to be successful 3) i disagree with his recent behaviour and believe it is bad for the team. 

Just now, mjp28 said:

Besides he probably had a Progressive photo shoot coming up and he was very nervous.    

I've tried to look the other way on all of this "stuff" but it is getting hard(er) to do.

Only an immediate winning streak will put these flames out.   Period.

Exactly. You can be a Brown's fan and not like this behaviour. That does not make you disloyal. This is not productive. 

1 minute ago, The Gipper said:

 

If you cant' figure out the difference between complacency and team focused behaviour, then you don't know about leading athletes. You can't read that on a chart or stat sheet dude. You are really on an island on this. This is not fantasy football. This is about leadership.

4 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

But  THIS behavior is NOT hurting the team.   Being complacent  about losing would not help this team.  You all want him to be some kind of dullard in the face of adversity.  You apparently would have wanted us to give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. (forget it, I'm on a roll).  If you want us Browns fans to advocate that our players put their tails between their legs and give up on this season...you have come to the wrong place.

You are right. They have been awesome! Great point! These guys are being led to the promsed land. We need more Mayfield magic.

You act like your team needs you to. That is not being complacent. That is being an adult and a good teammate. 

Just now, The Gipper said:

Not sure where you are coming up with this, as it seems a total non sequitor, even as some effort at parallelisn,   because that is not my problem to deal with.  

Lol. I know about your gym beast ways!

1 minute ago, The Gipper said:

 

Ok. I have coached arhletes for 30 years. This is Ryan Leaf, Jeff George behaviour. I gaurantee you his team is wondering and worried about him. You are way out on a limb. You honestly believe this is productive behaviour? That is a ridiculous position. Find me a winning coach that agrees that this is good behaviour for him and his team right now. The rats are ready to leave the ship. He needs to be calm and confident. He acts and is playing in panic mode.

11 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

And it is YOUR problem to deal with it.  Not his.

BTW, Kitchens called and wants to know if you are going to continue to be his personal trainer.

2 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

Well, you are a dick for comparing what Mayfield did with what Manson did.  But I don't have a problem if you want to be a dick:   However, you are one fucked up Dude if you do not have a problem with what Manson did. 

Seriously, think about what you say sometimes. 

The point is people's actions have consequences. You can't just say that is them being them and that magically makes it ok. If your behaviour is bad for your team you need to knock it off. C'mon man. Really?

1 minute ago, The Gipper said:

 

Look at his numbers. Look at the wins. He needs to win then he is eccentric. Until then he is just a panic filled douche. Winners don't act like that. You are so used to losing , you don't know the difference. His team sees him coming unhinged. He has thrown twice as many pics as TDs and only won 2 games this year. What the hell has he done to be so arrogant. Oh that's right. It is panic, fear, not arrogance.

14 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

I don't have a single problem with what he did.  What he did is what he does.  He is Baker being Baker, and if he were otherwise then that would be phony.

I don't have a single problem with what Charles Manson did. What he did is what he does. It's just Charlie being Charlie. Otherwise he would be a phony. Dude really?

2 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

I don't have a single problem with what he did.  What he did is what he does.  He is Baker being Baker, and if he were otherwise then that would be phony.

That is spoken like a guy that has not coached successfully. The QB needs to be a leader. QBs that have toxic attitudes don't help their teams win. The word is out on Mayfield. It really does not matter if you or I have a problem with it. When his team sees him panic and act unhinged, they lose confidence. 

If you ever boxed much and hit someone hard right on the chin and they look at you and smile, you know you are in for a long night. Baker has to get tough.

Baker needs to grow up. No sure things in the NFL.

I agree with this post. The Browns will never lose again. Never. They will be undefeated for the rest of time. All will be great with the world. Its all rainbows and butterflies from here guys. 

I strongly advise buying your superbowl tickets right now.

Yeah. I'm pulling for the Stros.

This is what a real QB looks like. Always cool with the media. Lifts his team up and is a positive force in the community.

5 minutes ago, ATOM said:

and the ones we didnt get rid of the national guard killed the rest

Lol. That's what I mean. You Cleveland guys are so witty!

50 minutes ago, jiggins7919 said:

I mean, obviously it's more than JUST bad luck, but yeah...we've had some crap luck. How about in the Rams game and we pick off that pass and run into our damn guy who is getting off the ground? I've never seen it before. Just a bunch of weird crap like that and it needs to stop. Passes off our receiver's hands that inexplicably float directly to the defense? When's the last time that happened for us? Rams game? 

Anyway, yeah it's way more than just bad luck, I realize that, but at some point we have to get a few breaks, too. 

I agree brother. It will even out down the road.

Good point Oven. He needs to be a calming and confident influence. Even though I think Russell Wilson is a bit overrated, he acts the same and follows the same process after every gsme. Even when they lost the super bowl on a last minute pick. He took the blame even though it wasn't his fault and was looking at film and at Children's hospital the next day. 

On 10/28/2019 at 8:56 PM, jiggins7919 said:

Honestly, that shovel pass INT was just another example of terrible luck. We've run that play before and it worked, and it's actually a really safe play! If it's dropped, it's simply an incomplete pass and no real harm done. This cluster taco happens to result in a pick because God roots for the Patriots I guess...I dunno. The amount of weird, unbelievable shit that happened those 3 plays in a row is absolutely staggering. 

As crazy as it sounds, we need to make more plays. "Duh Jiggins, thanks!" But seriously, we have no down field passing, we're not explosive at all, and we don't score touchdowns. We've GOT to get OBJ the ball down the field way more. We need to find a way to get points, but help is on the way. Weather will be perfect this weekend, Baker actually looked pretty decent (compare him to Sam Darnold...yo) and I HAVE to believe some of the penalties and turnovers will be rectified. 

Like I said in another post, we're going to beat the BRAKES off the Broncos Sunday. 

OMG this is heartbreaking. You think this is bad luck! Lol.