VaporTrail

While we're on the topic of education. This is going viral right now. Got sent to a member of Congress by a cadet. This is from West Point. 

1 hour ago, DieHardBrownsFan1 said:

Here's another one from before Dall-E 3 got neutered

8 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan1 said:

I'm sure she will have a lucrative career.😂

If babylon bee or the onion did a parody of these people and used the name "King-Slutzky" people would have been saying that the name is too ridiculous.

3 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

One Hamas general is hiding in a Palestinian school. What is the over/under on number of children killed in the bombing where it is worth it to get that general? 

 

A school shooter is not a war, congrats cal, great job! On both instances you want to get the bad guy and in both examples children die as a result. 

Just wondering how your math changes between each scenario 

https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/

This report worth reading as it actually discusses the IDF's answers to your questions. Their reliance on AI is troubling, to say the least. 

2 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

Who says your last paragraph is necessarily a bad thing?

Taking a kid out of school so parents can teach them their "truth". Great. Lovely. When that kid is an adult with a limited understanding of math, science, a skewed view of history, etc. that's not great. Standards placed across the country on education and advancement are a good thing to create the building blocks for a functional society. 

I'd argue that many of the people going all the way through the American education system have exactly the same deficits. Case in point is one of the protest leaders at Columbia begging the university to feed them. Here's her graduate student profile. 🤡

https://english.columbia.edu/content/johannah-king-slutzky

2 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

What is being taught in schools and what LibsOfTikTok is spewing over the Internet to build up hatred are two different things. It's not indoctrination to teach that slavery was a major cause of the civil war, sorry. 

This isn't necessarily addressed to you, but I'll leave off where I started: Teachers are underpaid. And we having a growing base of anti education, anti academic individuals. That's all bad for this country long term. I don't want to hear indoctrination this, neo liberal that, blah blah blah drag queens. It should be alarming a group is so actively pushing for less educated citizens. I greatly value everything I've learned in before undergrad, in undergrad, and my MBA. It's sad to see folks so actively fighting that. 

(And no, college isn't for everyone. Yes, skilled trades folks are intelligent and can be very successful, etc etc etc and whatever else I'll hear about in responses because I didn't cover everything)

Agree with you on the slavery and teachers having higher pay topics. I think you're downplaying the drag nonsense. A colleague of mine pulled his kids out of Hawken School because they were having drag story hour events. You are conflating anti-education with anti-indoctrination. No one here, not even cal, would want their kids to be uneducated. But I'm pretty sure everyone here, including you, wouldn't want their kid to end up like this Johannah idiot above. 

You're an engineer. Respectfully, that's still a decent field that shouldn't really require any DEI bullshit. Learn calc, learn applied math, go out and create stuff. 

Unfortunately, medicine isn't nearly as shielded from that nonsense. In the US, medical education is pushing the idea that if a child is saying they are transgender, pushing them toward the path of hormone blockers is both acceptable and encouraged. If you are a resident, if you have moral qualms about doing that, and you speak out against that, you are opening up yourself to retaliation and possibly getting expelled from your program. Every medical school now has a DEI office, run by woke ideologues, that you run the risk of pissing off. So, sadly, everyone I know in pediatrics who went through it with that opinion just kept their mouth shut. It's become too politicized.

If you are asian or white and you score in the 90th percentile on your MCAT, you are less likely to get into medical school than a black or hispanic person who scores in the 75th percentile. Instead of raising the standard for people of all races, about 10-20 years ago, schools have instead tried to recruit classes that match the racial makeup of the entire country. There simply aren't enough black and hispanic applicants who have comparable test scores to whites and asians. Unfortunately, this has resulted in many black and hispanic students matriculating in the place of a more qualified white or asian applicant. And in a result that no one could have predicted, now there are a disproportionate number of blacks and hispanics failing out of residency programs. 

I would guess that most people here are against the politicization of academia rather than education itself. I'm probably the most anti-higher education person on this board. Getting an education for STEM fields is mostly okay, but clearly there is something wrong when half of college grads end up working high school level jobs. 

I'm proud of what I accomplished in school. You should be proud of what you accomplished, too. Learning and teaching are things that should be celebrated. It is very fulfilling and lucrative for a select few of us. Unfortunately, it's mostly a racket for the rest.

7 hours ago, cccjwh said:

In other words, only teach things the way I want them to be taught.

Is this only bad in cases where the parent has views you disagree with? 

5 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

Teachers literally shape our future.  

Which is exactly the reason I would want my kids to be taught things the way I want them to be taught and not left to the average idiot who graduates with an education degree. They aren't the state's children. I'd wager the majority of education majors that we graduated with were Kony 2012 social media slacktivists.

I don't understand why neoliberals are outraged that conservative people want their children to be raised with similar values to their own. They aren't your children. If you want a drag queen to read to your children or if you want your kid to go to a school that has some antiracist curriculum, by all means, go for it. The state should not be able to tell you that you can't. Likewise, if an evangelical pulls their kid out of public school so that they can "teach the controversy," the state should not step in. 

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We're all better off with an educated society.

To a point. Pursuit of higher education has made millennials put off having children, and the US for the first time ever has a fertility rate below the replacement rate. 

2 hours ago, Canton Dawg said:

It was actually Pontius Pilate a Roman prefect that presided over Jesus’ trial and ordered the crucifixion.

Right, which is why I said

22 hours ago, VaporTrail said:

Which religious leaders were pissed about it and cried to the Romans to crucify the guy stirring shit up? 

But the chief priests stirred up the crowd to have him release for them Barabbas instead. -Mark 15:11

The writers of the gospels were no fans of the Pharisees - they were clearly the biggest antagonist in the stories of Jesus. Here's all the things that were said about that religious group

https://www.openbible.info/topics/pharisees

2 hours ago, FY56 said:

True to both, but just don't dare say mean things about black people.

You are comfortable saying mean things about Jews.

It wouldn't even have to be mean things, but you would be very uncomfortable even criticizing black people.

Wrong, I'm not a neoliberal.

White flighted my ass out of Shaker because some black kid was going around holding people up at gunpoint outside my house. One of my neighbors had a bullet go into their house from a driveby, that I assume was some kind of gang initiation ritual - they had no reason to be targeted by a driveby. I will never subject myself to living in a majority black neighborhood ever again and I'm not the slightest bit sorry for it. 

10 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said:

I also don’t think the folks behind this legislation understand the internet or how trolls work. The second you tell people that you want special treatment, circumventing the 1st Amendment, autists will work furiously to test the bounds of that law.

The problem for AIPAC and the ADL is that it's no longer just autists. What some people here are incapable of understanding is that the world now is not the world they grew up in. The ADL is the boy who cried wolf. They've literally accused, bullied, and coerced politicians on both sides of the aisle, including former president Trump, If you don't acknowledge that this 👌 is a dog whistle for white supremacy, then you're an antisemite. 

If you call everyone an antisemite, then the word loses its meaning. Thankfully, people are finally wising up to this entitled behavior and calling it out for what it is. Can't say I have an ounce of sympathy for the all the ire that's directed toward AIPAC and the ADL. They've certainly earned it. 

18 hours ago, LogicIsForSquares said:

 

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   For reference HR 6090 will be using the IHRA contemporary definition of antisemitism that includes talking about Jewish involvement in the death of Christ.

 

1. Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
2. Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
3. Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
4. Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
5. Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
6. Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
7. Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
8. Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
9. Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
10. Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
11. Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

You can accuse evangelical Christian of being more loyal to Israel than the US, and that is honky dory. But if you suggest the same of a Jewish person, then you have committed a crime in the eyes of the House. 

I suspect it will pass the Senate too. Can't wait for this unconstitutional legislation to be vetoed by Biden or struck down by SCOTUS. 

This idiocy is what $100M from AIPAC buys them. Ironically enough, it will probably INCREASE antisemitism.  Germany passed laws like this in the 1920s, I assume, it pissed a bunch of people off and we all know what happened in the 1930s.

Honk honk 🤡

5 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan1 said:

Okay Dr. Mengele

15 minutes ago, FY56 said:

No sorry.

I am calling bullshit. Jesus calling out their hypocrisy was the sermon topic for like a quarter of my church attendance as a kid. Who do you think the moneychangers were that he was driving from the temple? Which religious leaders were pissed about it and cried to the Romans to crucify the guy stirring shit up? 

It was the Pharisees, who were the precursor to modern day Rabbinic Judaism. It's why Pete Buttigieg got accused of antisemitism for using the term "Pharisee" to describe Pence being a hypocrite. And Buttigieg apologized and swore to never offend with that word again after it got him in hot water. Ridiculous. 

2 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan1 said:

Okay 'Doc'  

Imagine putting a foreign nation's flag on your avatar.

Very happy to have voted him into office. He prioritizes Ohioans over sending our money to fight foreign wars. 

15 minutes ago, FY56 said:

No priest in any Catholic church I've ever attended has ever made the topic of a sermon be about Jews killing Jesus.

So if any rouge priest should happen to start now, then yes it would be antisemitism because it would be no other reason to start peaching about it now considering what's been happening.

Funny you said mass. If you had said "service" I would have said that I wouldn't doubt if there were some black Baptist churches that already openly preach antisemitism and have no reservations about reminding the congregation that the Jews killed Jesus.

Surely you remember it was "The Reverend" Jessie Jackson who referred to NYC as "Hymetown" and recall the "reverend" Al Sharpton history of anti- Jewish hate speech.

Although not Baptist let's not forget Obamas "spiritual" mentor, "The Reverend" Jerimiah Wright.

You've never heard a sermon about the hypocrisy of the pharisees?

https://twitter.com/ABC7/status/1785625216837640525

This footage is some of the funniest I've seen since antifa and alt right retards went at it 7 years ago. lol, lmao.

3 hours ago, LogicIsForSquares said:

I don’t give a hot shit about whether or not someone is lying or not lying about the Israeli government. Lobbying to circumvent the 1st Amendment and make any criticism of the government of Israel into a hate crime or antisemitic harassment can piss up a rope. We aren’t out lobbying to make burning of the American flag in another country illegal. If we were, I would hope another country also told us to kick rocks. 

Israel owns our politicians. Your freedom of speech ends when you say mean things about Jews. 

3 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan1 said:

Stern was sucking Bidens dick the whole interview.  He is pathetic now.  Liberal twat.  Back in the day (80's) he was cool.

Vote blue, no matter who!

1 minute ago, FY56 said:

No, you're going to have to do better than that to prove Israel is engaging in genocide. It contains nothing but accusations.

"Plausible risk", "there's evidence" "Time to Act".

Where is this crucial evidence? Give me the details.

Amnesty International has already been caught using fake photos depicting police brutality by police in Columbia SA and Israel. So there's that.

So in your link they post a picture of some toppled tower, making all you bleeding hearts believe it has something to do with genocide.

If you read South Africa's case that was brought to the ICJ, they spell out exactly how Israel's actions meet the criteria of a genocide. 

Here is the original document
https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20231228-app-01-00-en.pdf

If that is tl;dr for you, here is a John Mearsheimer article breaking it down.  
https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/genocide-in-gaza

3 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

"instances of antisemitism have increased by 500% since October,!"

 

"We also redefined what antisemitism is since then, but don't look into that too hard. 

lold at this response

1 hour ago, Jax said:

I need perspective, where is all the bloat in defense spending?

The F-35 budget is a great example. Over budget, behind schedule. Airframe plagued with issues. 
The F-22 budget is another one. $10B upgrading it last year so that it could shoot down a Chinese balloon with a half a million dollar AIM-9X. 
Those are the most egregious offenders.

We're building over 100 tanks a year in Lima, Ohio - for what mission? The old ones we gave to Ukraine are getting blown up left and right in Ukraine by drones/mines/ATGMs and one was just put on display in Moscow. We aren't going to find that many buyers for those tanks, though if GER/FRA/GB need em in a pinch we could try and lend-lease em. I certainly hope we won't be committing to a European war in the next 30 years that we'll need them. 

Thank you, Thomas Massie for not being an idiot. This antisemitism bill going through congress uses the same language as the South Dakota law that recently passed.  It literally just takes anything the Holocaust Remembrance Museum at face value. Completely unconstitutional. 

1 minute ago, Jax said:

Interesting, can you post some numbers in comparison. Not arguing, just curious.

Really, the only things that are bigger than defense spending are social security and health spending. Source: https://www.cbo.gov/publication/58888

6 minutes ago, Jax said:

We can say that about all aspects of gov't, especially transparency and justifying.

Not all aspects of government have as big of a budget as our astronomical(ly bloated) defense spending. 

16 minutes ago, cccjwh said:

Resignations and prosecutions of those accused of abuse have taken place around the world, including Egypt, India, the United Kingdom, South Korea, Sweden, and the United States.

I don't think that cancellation based off an accusation is something to celebrate (and I'm not shocked that the writers at FP are celebrating that). You shouldn't be forced to resign from something because of an accusation (though I kind of wish that happened to our underperforming QB). Unless these people who resigned were also criminally convicted of something, I suspect that most of these resignations are corporations doing the bidding of a loud mob to avoid bad publicity. 

18 minutes ago, cccjwh said:

There are new sexual harassment laws in 15 US states, and more legal resources for survivors who wish to come forward.

More legal resources for victims is great, but again, what's the measurable outcome? Sexual assault incidence has decreased? Something like that.