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3 hours ago, LogicIsForSquares said:

I don’t give a hot shit about whether or not someone is lying or not lying about the Israeli government. Lobbying to circumvent the 1st Amendment and make any criticism of the government of Israel into a hate crime or antisemitic harassment can piss up a rope. We aren’t out lobbying to make burning of the American flag in another country illegal. If we were, I would hope another country also told us to kick rocks. 

Israel owns our politicians. Your freedom of speech ends when you say mean things about Jews. 

3 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan1 said:

Stern was sucking Bidens dick the whole interview.  He is pathetic now.  Liberal twat.  Back in the day (80's) he was cool.

Vote blue, no matter who!

1 minute ago, FY56 said:

No, you're going to have to do better than that to prove Israel is engaging in genocide. It contains nothing but accusations.

"Plausible risk", "there's evidence" "Time to Act".

Where is this crucial evidence? Give me the details.

Amnesty International has already been caught using fake photos depicting police brutality by police in Columbia SA and Israel. So there's that.

So in your link they post a picture of some toppled tower, making all you bleeding hearts believe it has something to do with genocide.

If you read South Africa's case that was brought to the ICJ, they spell out exactly how Israel's actions meet the criteria of a genocide. 

Here is the original document
https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20231228-app-01-00-en.pdf

If that is tl;dr for you, here is a John Mearsheimer article breaking it down.  
https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/genocide-in-gaza

3 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

"instances of antisemitism have increased by 500% since October,!"

 

"We also redefined what antisemitism is since then, but don't look into that too hard. 

lold at this response

1 hour ago, Jax said:

I need perspective, where is all the bloat in defense spending?

The F-35 budget is a great example. Over budget, behind schedule. Airframe plagued with issues. 
The F-22 budget is another one. $10B upgrading it last year so that it could shoot down a Chinese balloon with a half a million dollar AIM-9X. 
Those are the most egregious offenders.

We're building over 100 tanks a year in Lima, Ohio - for what mission? The old ones we gave to Ukraine are getting blown up left and right in Ukraine by drones/mines/ATGMs and one was just put on display in Moscow. We aren't going to find that many buyers for those tanks, though if GER/FRA/GB need em in a pinch we could try and lend-lease em. I certainly hope we won't be committing to a European war in the next 30 years that we'll need them. 

Thank you, Thomas Massie for not being an idiot. This antisemitism bill going through congress uses the same language as the South Dakota law that recently passed.  It literally just takes anything the Holocaust Remembrance Museum at face value. Completely unconstitutional. 

1 minute ago, Jax said:

Interesting, can you post some numbers in comparison. Not arguing, just curious.

Really, the only things that are bigger than defense spending are social security and health spending. Source: https://www.cbo.gov/publication/58888

6 minutes ago, Jax said:

We can say that about all aspects of gov't, especially transparency and justifying.

Not all aspects of government have as big of a budget as our astronomical(ly bloated) defense spending. 

16 minutes ago, cccjwh said:

Resignations and prosecutions of those accused of abuse have taken place around the world, including Egypt, India, the United Kingdom, South Korea, Sweden, and the United States.

I don't think that cancellation based off an accusation is something to celebrate (and I'm not shocked that the writers at FP are celebrating that). You shouldn't be forced to resign from something because of an accusation (though I kind of wish that happened to our underperforming QB). Unless these people who resigned were also criminally convicted of something, I suspect that most of these resignations are corporations doing the bidding of a loud mob to avoid bad publicity. 

18 minutes ago, cccjwh said:

There are new sexual harassment laws in 15 US states, and more legal resources for survivors who wish to come forward.

More legal resources for victims is great, but again, what's the measurable outcome? Sexual assault incidence has decreased? Something like that. 

9 minutes ago, Jax said:

For a different topic, would you like to see our military complex disappear? Again, we agree there is corruption but I also believe we need our military might. Maybe the world will settle down when Trump gets back in office but imagine Biden stealing another election. This world is fucked, not just us.

Disappear? No. Get knocked down quite a few notches? Yes. 
Rein in spending. 
Clarify what the mission is to justify spending rather than being the world police who "protect and promote democracy." 
Unfortunately for us, as demonstrated in Ukraine and the Middle East, we can't just simply spend dollars to achieve our geopolitical objectives. 
We should still be able to field a blue water navy. 
We have two gigantic moats in the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans. We have more guns than we do people. The Ohio/Mississippi/Missouri River Valley is the biggest breadbasket on the planet. No foreign nation is going to successfully invade and occupy our homeland. We are relatively insulated against a lot of the upcoming upheaval that EU, Middle East, and Southeast Asia are going to experience. 

14 hours ago, LogicIsForSquares said:

Eisenhower apparently saw this coming in 1961. I don’t think it’s a conspiracy theory.

Clearly a conspiracy theorist

On 4/27/2024 at 9:34 PM, MLD Woody said:

 I still think the net was positive to get issues out into the light. 

Serious question and one I don't know the answer to - is there any measurable outcome that has changed as a result of the MeToo movement? Less rapes or sexual assaults? Increase in rape convictions? Some measure of how safe women feel? 

On 4/27/2024 at 9:22 PM, Jax said:

The gov't being in the pockets of the military industrial complex is conspiracy theory.

Trump, RFK, and Biden as well as congressional leaders on both sides of the aisle have all said they'd increase funding for Israel. So as far as the presidential election goes, the American voters don't have any choice but to support Israel. AIPAC has a $100M war chest that they're effectively using to outfund any candidate that is critical of guaranteed funding for Israel's military (again, they're a first world country with a top ten military). 

The entire blue side of the aisle is for more Ukraine funding. Lockheed Martin alone spends over $12M per year over the last 10 years on just lobbying. High ranking military officials retire and then become board members and lobbyists for Lockheed, Raytheon, etc.  The government is working on a way to secure extended funding to Ukraine so that the next president can't turn it off. 

But yeah, it's definitely just a conspiracy theory. 

8 hours ago, Jax said:

I think you're confused.

Anti semetic protests are against the American citizen purely out of hate and racism. It's not about the gov't attacking protesters, it's about keeping safe our citizens that happen to be discriminated against by a certain group that is out and out threatening them with real violence. Just so happens the new hippy fad crowd jumped on this terrorist bandwagon.

BLM is a money and power grab. Much like climate change, create a problem, throw funds at it and change laws to 'protect' people. Only they pocket the cash and gain gov't power/control. Much like the patriot act was to 'protect' us from foreigners but is used to spy on regular Americans and what not.

You're trying to dilute these antisemitism protests as nothing more but being against war and trying to save people from a made up genocide. They don't want to stop the war for the people, other than the hippy followers who are brainwashed, they want to hurt Israel, destroy it and exterminate their race. They hate America not because we support Israel, that's being naive, they hate us because we are not them. For once the gov't is doing it's job as it should have during the blm riots.

Our rights are protected for all citizens and the biggest part of that is your freedom ends where mine begin. You can protest, but you don't have a right to threaten or harass me, impede my travel. burn my business, trespass on and on. I get it though, people like to frame these stories to what fits their narrative instead of what's actually going on.

Also, it was subtle, but are you blaming police and not our gov't for allowing the riots?

I also need clarity but I don't recall police shutting down vietnam protests. It was the nat'l guard at Kent and honestly I'm not sure of that exact reason, but how many times did police shut down Vietnam protests? They seemed to protest all over the place, even right up in returning soldiers faces.

The police are an arm of the government. The national guard is an arm of the government. They both do the government's bidding. The government is far and away in the pockets of the military industrial complex. They have gone as far as killing anti-military industrial complex protesters. They have demonstrated that they will come down hard on protests against their profits. 

There was a neo nazi rally in West Virginia today that went viral. In contrast to the current Gaza/Israel protests, no one sent the riot cops there to shut the nazis down because neonazis are an irrelevant group of people that don't endanger MIC profits.  And honestly, the MIC benefits from neo nazi groups existence because it keeps the general population's anger directed at them rather than the MIC. 

Hate speech is protected speech. If you want to create a rally about hating jews, queers, blacks, californians, or the irish, that is your god given right as an American. If you want to wish for any of those groups of people to die in horrifying and painful ways, that is also your god given right as an American. If you trespass as an act of protest, then that's deserving of getting arrested, fined, and given community service - not up to 20 years in prison like the Jan 6 people are getting. 

If you harm someone who disagrees with you at a protest, that makes you a rioter and you belong in jail. If you block traffic to make your point, you are preventing ambulances from getting to hospitals and belong in jail. If you tell someone you're going to kill them, then that is a credible death threat, and 1A does not protect you from that, to jail you go. If you attempt to physically prevent a Jewish student from attending class, then you are in breach of the law and should go to jail. 

Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression is what the ACLU used to be before they turned into partisan hacks. Thankfully legal organizations like this still exist. 

https://www.thefire.org/news/heres-what-students-need-know-about-protesting-campus-right-now

10 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

Sorry man, this is getting to close to that  red pilled part of the Internet. Have some lied? Sure. That exists literally everywhere. But I'm not going to call a movement to push women's rights and the realities of sexual assault/abuse out of the shadows a cancer. 

If it was solely about rape and sexual assault, then I'm with you. When the movement snowballed into every other woman using the MeToo hashtag to bring up an awkward night of consensual sex that they later regretted, it became a cancer. The media and government weaponizing the accusations against Barney Frank and Justice Kavanaugh, both sides of the aisle, was nothing short of shameful. Being labelled as any kind of sex offender, is a life ruining experience for the majority of people. I don't think people should have their reputations permanently tarnished because someone 10 years later decides they regretted having sex with them. Somehow, this is a "redpilled" opinion. 

14 hours ago, cccjwh said:

Wow, you guys are pro Weinstein. Hey, I guess it makes sense, you are supporting a rapist for president. Your boy still has 16 years to serve in CA. 

The #MeToo movement was a cancer, and you cheer it on when it affects people you don't like, such as Trump. But the real irony, lost on you, is that Trump never would have become president if it wasn't for the #MeToo movement. Rust belt would have voted Barney Frank over Trump. But instead, Barney got #MeToo'd by Clinton's DNC even more egregiously than Trump did, and the country was left choosing between Trump and Hillary. I maintain that if Frank had stood up to these bullies and never apologized for his actions, he'd probably still be president right now. 

21 hours ago, Jax said:

Not even remotely similar in any shape or form.

You're right, it's actually the complete opposite. 

BLM protests didn't threaten military industrial complex profits - police stood down as the protests turned into riots and several American small businesses were destroyed.
Vietnam and Israel antiwar protests DO threaten military industrial complex profits - police shut them down promptly. 

Personally, I'd prefer the government prioritize the average American over any foreigner, but I guess that is considered quite antisemitic in this day and age. 

3 minutes ago, calfoxwc said:

The Kent protesters weren't threatening anyone, though they burned down the ROTC building 

Time is a flat circle. 

Meanwhile, at Ohio State.

What are the odds Biden has himself a May 4th?

This was supposed to be satire. 

1 hour ago, LogicIsForSquares said:

I think tents in a US university will be what brings an end to the conflict. Add in a few blocked roads and we have world peace.

Rich kids being bored and doing performative activism. Some things never change. 

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1782550582148157943/

Somehow, this both saves Palestine and endangers Jews. I call it Schrödinger's idiot.  

4 hours ago, FY56 said:

Well you also did ask what the difference was between the Jan 6 people, and these rioters. He gave you the difference. Quite a few.

As far as what crime was committed, doesn't an arrest usually involve a crime being committed? That has always been my understanding.

Cals slip up was that he didn't narrow it down to those arrested.

Over 100 Arrested at Columbia After Pro-Palestinian Protest - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

So in both situations, Jan 6, and these protestors involved crimes and arrests. Cal had already outlined the differences as to why he feels these students should be shipped off to some socialist paradise.

Yes, and I'm pointing out that he's an unprincipled hypocrite who is only rooting for it this time because the people getting arrested are on the other team. 

1 hour ago, calfoxwc said:

Oh, please, you aren't STUPID like your woodpecker is. Just grow up a bit.

Did the Jan. 6th protesters ever chant "death to America" ? NO

Did the Jan. 6th protesters ever chant "death to Israel" ? NO

Did the Jan. 6th protesters ever chant "death to anyone or any country" ? NO

Did the Jan 6th protesters ever chant "gas the Jews" ? NO

Did the Jan. 6th protesters ever chant "river to the sea" ? NO

Did the Jan. 6th protesters ever take over streets, bridges and deny Real Americans the ability

to go where they want to go? NO

Don't be like your little inspipid birdbrain - I said nothing about trespassing.

The fact is, -it's terrorism. and 71% ? of your self-destructive "palestinians" SUPPORT TERRORISM = hamas !

You can't come up with an actual crime they've committed. 1A allows us the freedom to say offensive things without being jailed for it. You can't throw them in jail because they wished death/cancer/disease/rot on someone or some group. Please try again. 

There was a mass arrest of protesters at NYU yesterday. This was the exact cause of the Columbia U protests growing massively. I predict the NYU protests will be bigger today. 

8 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

Every one of them needs to be out of our country.

even if they are naturalized, they can be kicked out

within five years.

You want them kicked out of the country for what crime, exactly? You've sat here and argued that the Jan 6 protesters have been treated unfairly by the law because they're getting the book thrown at them for trespassing. Now you want the book to be thrown at pro-Gaza protesters for trespassing? Please help me to understand what you think the difference is. 

1 hour ago, MLD Woody said:

This is the dumbest thing I've ever read. They're really trying to state that the Jan 6th rioters that stormed the capitol had no idea what was going on within the Capitol? That Trump just picked that day and location for fun?

 

Give me a fucking break ...

It's some braindead Washington Examiner journalist's interpretation of what happened. 

https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2023/23-5572_0pm1.pdf

Here's the actual transcript, ctrl+F Alito and see where he appears a bunch to get to the part the legacy media article is referring.