MLD Woody Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 I probably wouldn't vote for a Scientologist. Is that wrong? I'm probably getting a little off my original point and I apologize for that (multi tasking and I just got a job offer I'm looking over) Basically, all else equal, I don't think someone's religion should matter. An exception is if they are actively going to implant their religious ideas into policy. I mean, IDC if you are a Christian but when you start connecting Satan to our economic problems... I'm out. IDC if you are a scientologist, but if you start putting things in the budget to put caps on volcanoes to excavate alien souls (or w/e)... I'm out Did that make more sense? My bad for before I don't want religion to matter as long as your religion doesn't actively affect your policy (I mean, unless its something like Be Good, Love Your Neighbor, that's all cool in my book) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Yeah, we're on the same basic page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted March 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Isn't it astounding how some people will look at someones religious beliefs as a qualifier and worry about it when the economy is still lagging behind and we still have so many people unemployed or under employed in this country. They will worry themselves sick over the fact of someone believing in God will become president while they are paying nearly $4.00 a gallon for gasoline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Isn't it astounding how some people will look at someones religious beliefs as a qualifier and worry about it when the economy is still lagging behind and we still have so many people unemployed or under employed in this country. They will worry themselves sick over the fact of someone believing in God will become president while they are paying nearly $4.00 a gallon for gasoline. Sorta... but I don't think you were getting what we were saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Isn't it astounding how some people will look at someones religious beliefs as a qualifier and worry about it when the economy is still lagging behind and we still have so many people unemployed or under employed in this country. They will worry themselves sick over the fact of someone believing in God will become president while they are paying nearly $4.00 a gallon for gasoline. Oh? Who's going to bring the gas prices down? Romney? How? You see how well W did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted March 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Oh? Who's going to bring the gas prices down? Romney? How? You see how well W did it. duh!! What do you think? How about if we start drilling for oil here in the US. And I wouldn't count on Romney to do anything either, IMO he will act just like Obama has procratinating to appease his greenie wackos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Oh? Who's going to bring the gas prices down? Romney? How? You see how well W did it. Of course as we recall from our reading bush engineered the plan to drive oil prices up for his cronies in the texas oil industry. Or some such bullshit, right? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Aye aye aye. Now he has to meet some standard of "devout"? Obama is a Christian. The correct answer to the question of whether he is a Christian or not is, "Yes, he is." The wrong answer is, "He's a Muslim." Another wrong answer is, "We don't know what religion he is." Because he's a Christian by the standard we use for calling anyone else a Christian. You don't get to invent a scenario in your head where he's just pretending to be a Christian and then say your invented reality is the truth. Nor would the idea that he plays up his Christianity for political purposes mean that he isn't a Christian. Come on. Don't be that guy. That guy? Did you mean the guy who constantly brays about people of faith being superstitious idiots but makes sure to give his own favorite candidates a pass? That guy? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Fuck that guy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Of course as we recall from our reading bush engineered the plan to drive oil prices up for his cronies in the texas oil industry. Or some such bullshit, right? WSS I didn't say he drove them up, but he damn sure failed to bring them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 That guy? Did you mean the guy who constantly brays about people of faith being superstitious idiots but makes sure to give his own favorite candidates a pass? That guy? WSS Oh, please. Are you serious? Do we really have to pretend that every Christian believes the same exact things, and there isn't a giant range of beliefs? They're all superstitions and that makes them all idiots? Come on, Steve. This is pathetic. Obama seems to practice the type of Christianity that I admire - personal, private, and modern. You know who else was like that? The first President Bush. And Reagan. Can you make any distinction at all? I also don't imagine that everyone is going to share my religious beliefs, and or think that if they don't they're idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Of course as we recall from our reading bush engineered the plan to drive oil prices up for his cronies in the texas oil industry. Or some such bullshit, right? WSS Yup. How about this: what do you think of Newt's pledge that he can make gas cost $2.50 a gallon? Since you're so angry with all of that over-promising politicians do. I liked Rich Lowry's tweet about it: "the guy w/ the little gas pump icon on his podium is talking abt the need to elevate the debate" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 I went from taking PSR and doing my first confesison to ending PSR and doing my first communion to only going on Easter and Christmas to never going to not believing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Yup. How about this: what do you think of Newt's pledge that he can make gas cost $2.50 a gallon? Since you're so angry with all of that over-promising politicians do. I liked Rich Lowry's tweet about it: "the guy w/ the little gas pump icon on his podium is talking abt the need to elevate the debate" First of all, Newt is never going to be president of the united states. So you can't really call somebody out for lying until he has the opportunity and falls short. And if you remember burt lancaster in the rainmaker the price could go to 250 on its own under his watch. " Give me my 100 bucks!" WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Oh, please. Are you serious? Do we really have to pretend that every Christian believes the same exact things, and there isn't a giant range of beliefs? They're all superstitions and that makes them all idiots? Come on, Steve. This is pathetic. Obama seems to practice the type of Christianity that I admire - personal, private, and modern. You know who else was like that? The first President Bush. And Reagan. Can you make any distinction at all? I also don't imagine that everyone is going to share my religious beliefs, and or think that if they don't they're idiots. One Would certainly get that impression reading the stuff from you v t and woody. But sure I suppose I could make for some distinctions. I suppose there could be a difference of opinion as to whether you could be baptized with a sprinkle of water orimmersion. I suppose there could be differences of opinion in tithes or taking pictures or drinking or dancing ... But when it comes to believing in a caring God and Jesus His son who died on the cross because of our original sin or the virgin birth or the miracles or rising from the dead no sir I don't think you can throw those things in the can. Any more than I could claim to be an african american in order to get more points on a civil service test. You called mitt romney slimy because his positions have changed a bit from the time he was running for governor of massachusetts. But can't bring yourself to admit that the president only latched on to the loud mouth bigot__ in chicago to build up is black credibility after he got his ass beat it up previous election WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 First of all, Newt is never going to be president of the united states. So you can't really call somebody out for lying until he has the opportunity and falls short. WSS This is classic. Don't ever accuse me of spinning again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 It has nothing to do with what I believe woody. the reason I ask is that I wonder if his supporters think that he believes in the basics of christianity or not really. If the answer is not really then it is not so much of a stretch to say that you don't know what religion he is. If any. If I had to bet I'd guess he was agnostic and Christianity is just window dressing. Power is the main goal and I can't imagine an open agnostic being elected in his district. WSS I agree with you, Steve. I think he's an agnostic. The dude's gone out of his way to reach out to non-believers. We all know the story of Abraham and Isaac. Abraham is ordered by God to offer up his only son, and without argument, he takes Isaac to the mountaintop, binds him to an altar, and raises his knife, prepared to act as God has commanded. Of course, in the end God sends down an angel to intercede at the very last minute, and Abraham passes God's test of devotion. "But it's fair to say that if any of us leaving this church saw Abraham on a roof of a building raising his knife, we would, at the very least, call the police and expect the Department of Children and Family Services to take Isaac away from Abraham. We would do so because we do not hear what Abraham hears, do not see what Abraham sees, true as those experiences may be. So the best we can do is act in accordance with those things that we all see, and that we all hear, be it common laws or basic reason. His dad was a "confirmed atheist" and "a man who saw religion as not particularly useful." http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1546579,00.html I mean, I don't see him ever getting the Black vote if he never went to church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 So what? My Dad is Catholic. What does that prove? Of course, true Christianity has a great deal of doubt built into it, so the idea that Obama's faith incorporates doubts about religion would hardly surprise me. Obama is such a mirror. Everyone sees what they want to see. If you want to see a radical, you see a radical. If you want to see a scary black man, that's what you see. If you want a true liberal, or an agnostic, you put that in there. The hardest thing seems to be to see the man for what he really is - a moderate, Democrat with some liberal social leanings who is also a practicing Christian. Once again, the fact that he chose a particular church or plays up his faith (and with everyone questioning it, take a second and imagine why he might do that) for political reasons isn't proof that he's not a Christian. It proves he's a politician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 a moderate, Democrat with some liberal social leanings who is also a practicing Christian. Heck ****************************************** You seem him as THAT? ROF,LMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ?????????????????????????????????? Seriously? You don't see him with angel wings, and with the universal leadership of the Giant Big Head? good grief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Yep, that's what sane people generally see. He's a moderate Democrat who picked Joe Biden to be his VP and put guys like Larry Summers and Tim Geithner in his cabinet. Crazy socialists, one and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Yep, that's what sane people generally see. He's a moderate Democrat who picked Joe Biden to be his VP and put guys like Larry Summers and Tim Geithner in his cabinet. Heck ***************** See? Heck just emotionally knee jerked and cherry picked a few names. But Larry Summers is on the "radical list". Go check it out. How convenient for Heck to get all "linear" and leave out all THESE NAMES. Communists/socialist radicals, advisors, confidants, and "czars". Van Jones Anita Dunn Larry Summers Ron Bloom Mark Lloyd Carol Browner Cass Sunstein The list goes on and on in Obamao's history. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqa2eyy7LXI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 This is classic. Don't ever accuse me of spinning again. Come on heck. I don't recall ever calling obama a liar during the democratic primary, do you? When he made promises about what he planned the first day at office and campaigned against the public mandate for healthcare I may have thought those were bad plans but I never assumed he was lying. And if and when gingrich is president and gas prices are the same as they are now I have no doubt he'll be held accountable. And you guys will sing that chorus ad infinitum. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 The point is that it's already a pander of gargantuan proportions, and there's no way he can deliver on that even if he did become president. Which, of course, he won't. You have people left and right, experts in the field, all laughing at this guy for suggesting that he alone, as president, can someone bring the price of a barrel of oil down to where your gas will only cost $2.50 a gallon. But you can't even recognize it as a phony sales pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 The point is that it's already a pander of gargantuan proportions, and there's no way he can deliver on that even if he did become president. Which, of course, he won't. You have people left and right, experts in the field, all laughing at this guy for suggesting that he alone, as president, can someone bring the price of a barrel of oil down to where your gas will only cost $2.50 a gallon. But you can't even recognize it as a phony sales pitch. How else are we going to afford transport to his moon colony? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted March 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 The point is that it's already a pander of gargantuan proportions, and there's no way he can deliver on that even if he did become president. Which, of course, he won't. You have people left and right, experts in the field, all laughing at this guy for suggesting that he alone, as president, can someone bring the price of a barrel of oil down to where your gas will only cost $2.50 a gallon. But you can't even recognize it as a phony sales pitch. What a dumb statement. Increase the supply line and the costs will drop. Isn't that simple? Even the simple minded should understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 Obamao is deliberately stopping the obtaining of our own oil as much as he can, (he can't control the private lands...yet).. because he SAID THE PRICE MUST NECESSARILY SKYROCKET. Because he is beholden to the extreme, vile, insane left for his career success. And, as usual, he talks the exact opposite to quell resistance and anger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 Is that another "truth" fantastic job changing the subject too. I wouldn't want you guys to look like Retards any more than you have to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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