Mike Pettine Time?

[CLEinCHI]

I feel like the Browns are in a lose- lose on all fronts of the HC chaos.

 

If they kept Chud around and it became evident to the fanbase/media what was apparently evident to them that he was not a coach to lead them to a championship the FO would have been killed for not firing him after the first year (BTW those same browns players who spoke up for Chud were speaking up for Shurmer when he got canned) and we would be having this conversation about the next lose-lose scenario in 2015.

 

If they hire someone right away, they get killed for not waiting for playoff coordinators because it only makes since to interview the coordinators for the best teams because they are...well...winning.

 

They hire the popular retread HC or up and coming college coach - they get killed for hiring a retread or hot college coach without NFL experience

 

They take their time in evaluating all options, bring in people who want to be here and line them up against all choices, let the increased time and attention from media ect to help vet candidates (keep in mind the decision to fire chud was made(reported at least) after the Jacksonville loss), and make an offer to someone they feel can get the job done. This is the way it should work btw - whether he was the initial first choice or not, he is the last man standing at the end of the process- but they get killed for waiting to long, or losing out on the choices of less informed people.

 

I for one am excited that despite the madness and over reaction from the media/fans that the Browns have actually done something right - came out and said they will go through a process and actually going through that process... read what Jimmy Haslem said during the Chud Firing press conference...

 

“There’s nothing that, and you all have every right to write it, that galls me more to read on Monday mornings, ‘Same old Browns.’ That’s not what we’re all about and that’s not what we came here for. You have a right to be skeptical and until we turn it around and start winning games, start winning important games, playing meaningful games late in the year and be sitting here this time of year talking about who we’re going to play in the first round of the playoffs, you have every right to be skeptical. But that’s Joe and my job, is to go out and find the person to lead the organization, to coach the team, to give us those kind of results. It’s something we take extremely seriously. We understand there will be skepticism until we get it right, and candidly, we deserve it. I know there’ll be questions about what you’re going to be looking for as a coach and I think you have to be careful. Coaches come in all shapes, form and fashions, but I think real simply, and we spent a lot of time talking about this, we want an individual who is a strong winner who knows how to win football games. We’ll begin our search immediately. I don’t know if it will take a week or a month, the importance is to get it right. There will be all kinds of rumors out there. We understand that. We’re not going to respond to any of them and it’s our intent to bring back the kind of coach I just mentioned to this room sometime over whatever time period. But the important thing is to get it right"

 

 

Same old' browns huh? Sounds like we actually have some people in Berea that actually DO get it...

 

GO BROWNS!

[JAFBF]

 

How can you say Horton was over-hyped? Correct me if I'm wrong but was anyone predicting that in one year our new defense would pee all over the 85 bears or the steel curtain from the 70's? Was that what everyone was expecting? I'm sorry but can you please explain how Horton failed after just one year? How can you be glad that we're turning the scheme over.................again

 

I said on here when we brought Horton on board that I had concerns with him when his D gave up 58 points to Seattle in one game - definitely some Red Flags that panned out it seems.

[Neubs24]

If this is true and Pettine is announced today, why not wait another 10 days and talk to Quinn? We've been dicking around this long, what is another week or so? It's not like Pettine was our first choice by any stretch, and I haven't heard his name come up with any other teams. Something tells me he'll be around in 10 days. The Bills were 6-10 last year and ranked 20th in defense. How is this a better hire than just promoting Horton?

Bills were ranked 8th in total D.

[JAFBF]

Bills were ranked 8th in total D.

 

Not in Points Allowed - in PA Buff was 20th.

[Clevfan4life]

 

I said on here when we brought Horton on board that I had concerns with him when his D gave up 58 points to Seattle in one game - definitely some Red Flags that panned out it seems.

 

I honestly hadn't heard of him before we brought him onboard. But we did, and our defense outperformed my expectations for a 1st year defense. There were some individual players that I feel didn't play to their contracts and if they had...people would be rioting for letting Horton walk out of Cleveland. Horton deserved a couple years to build a defense.

[Billsfan01]

 

Not in Points Allowed - in PA Buff was 20th.

 

I stumbled upon this website and as a Bills fan, FWIW, I'll give a little insight into this conversation.

 

Points allowed is not always the best stat to compare squads. I'm not sure where the stat is, but the Bills defense faced the highest number of opposing drives throughout the year in the entire league and allowed the least number of points per drive. Also, ranked 2nd in INTs and either 1st or 2nd in sacks.

 

We had an anemic offense and an awful special teams that allowed short fields to many teams.

 

In no way do I want to see Pettine leave the Bills. He re-worked our entire defense and ended up sending 4 players to the pro bowl, as well as a possible DROY (Alonso). Not to mention Leodis McKelvin and Jerry Hughes having the best seasons of their careers in his style. Injuries hampered a lot of the secondary throughout the year but he was still able to get results from his players. He has a very aggressive approach, bringing complicated blitz looks and heavy press-man coverage.

 

The only dig would be that our run defense did not improve much last year. Not to say that it was his fault, but that would be the only gripe with him.

 

Bills fans love Pettine and definitely do not way to see him leave.

[BillsFanCNY]

Bills were ranked 8th in total D.

Bills fan popping in, we were ranked 10th and gave up 20 points or more in 14 of 16 games blowing multiple 2 score leads. You guys came back and beat us with Weeden even, LOL.

[Neubs24]

Not in Points Allowed - in PA Buff was 20th.

Ok?? Thats not total defense. Which was actually 10th, my bad.

 

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&tabSeq=2&season=2013&akmobile=android-tablet&akmobile=android-tablet&role=OPP&Submit=Go&archive=false&akcarrier=other&akcarrier=other&conference=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&qualified=false

[Billsfan01]

Bills fan popping in, we were ranked 10th and gave up 20 points or more in 14 of 16 games blowing multiple 2 score leads. You guys came back and beat us with Weeden even, LOL.

 

When did we blow multiple two score leads? You realize offense and special teams are also part of the game as well? Rookie QB (Manuel) goes down for several weeks and having to start two rookie QBs (Tuel and Lewis) with hardly any NFL experience really puts a lot of pressure on your defense...which kept them in several games when the offense did absolutely nothing.

[bonedawg]

 

I stumbled upon this website and as a Bills fan, FWIW, I'll give a little insight into this conversation.

 

Points allowed is not always the best stat to compare squads. I'm not sure where the stat is, but the Bills defense faced the highest number of opposing drives throughout the year in the entire league and allowed the least number of points per drive. Also, ranked 2nd in INTs and either 1st or 2nd in sacks.

 

We had an anemic offense and an awful special teams that allowed short fields to many teams.

 

In no way do I want to see Pettine leave the Bills. He re-worked our entire defense and ended up sending 4 players to the pro bowl, as well as a possible DROY (Alonso). Not to mention Leodis McKelvin and Jerry Hughes having the best seasons of their careers in his style. Injuries hampered a lot of the secondary throughout the year but he was still able to get results from his players. He has a very aggressive approach, bringing complicated blitz looks and heavy press-man coverage.

 

The only dig would be that our run defense did not improve much last year. Not to say that it was his fault, but that would be the only gripe with him.

 

Bills fans love Pettine and definitely do not way to see him leave.

 

Reminds me of a Maddenism "If you want to win the game, you have to score more points than the other team." Points allowed are THE most important metric.

[bbedward]

Bills fan popping in, we were ranked 10th and gave up 20 points or more in 14 of 16 games blowing multiple 2 score leads. You guys came back and beat us with Weeden even, LOL.

Well we beat you with special teams and defense IMO. Weeden did have a nice TD bomb that game though.

[Neubs24]

Reminds me of a Maddenism "If you want to win the game, you have to score more points than the other team." Points allowed are THE most important metric.

Then why does the NFL use yards per game as the metric? Just a guess but i think they know better than you.

[Neubs24]

Well we beat you with special teams and defense IMO. Weeden did have a nice TD bomb that game though.

Manuel getting hurt, special teams and the Tuel pick 6 won that game.

[bonedawg]

Then why does the NFL use yards per game as the metric? Just a guess but i think they know better than you.

 

Which would you choose? A Bills defense that allows 500 yards a game but only gives up 13 points per game OR a Bills defense that allows 200 yards a game but give up 24 points per game.

[Spectralcow]

Uh oh! Has the age of the "Bend but Don't Break" defense returned to Cleveland?

 

Lol, yeah, it would be fine if a hypothetical defense gave up 826yds per game and 0 points. The problem is, in reality, it doesn't happen that way. The record for longest FG was just broken this year. Sure, there are teams that are better and worse in the Red Zone and teams that have higher and lower turnover ratios, but, IN GENERAL, if you're giving up yards, you're giving up points.

 

By the way, if your defense is giving up 200 yards and 24 points per game, you have some nightmarishly bad special teams.

[Neubs24]

Which would you choose? A Bills defense that allows 500 yards a game but only gives up 13 points per game OR a Bills defense that allows 200 yards a game but give up 24 points per game.

 

Too many factors go into points... short fields, special teams.... too many yards given up likely means time of possession is bad too.

[BillsFanCNY]

 

When did we blow multiple two score leads? You realize offense and special teams are also part of the game as well? Rookie QB (Manuel) goes down for several weeks and having to start two rookie QBs (Tuel and Lewis) with hardly any NFL experience really puts a lot of pressure on your defense...which kept them in several games when the offense did absolutely nothing.

Against Atlanta in Toronto? The defense let the Falcons take over that game up until Chandler and Johnson blew it, we had a big lead and Atlanta scored 4 times in 5 possessions to take the lead away.

 

Plus, EJ getting hurt meant nothing. Thad Lewis was just as good and Tuel started off great vs. KC so whatever. The Bills were respectable on defense but come on now, we aint the freakin Seahawks!

[bonedawg]

Pettine led the only defense to let Weeden beat them this year...so there's that. Buffalo allowed 37 points that game...to Weeden...let that sink in for a minute.

[Cielo]

Pettine led the only defense to let Weeden beat them this year...so there's that. Buffalo allowed 37 points that game...to Weeden...let that sink in for a minute.

I agree. Bill Belicheck let a Mangini led Browns team score 34 points on them in a terrible loss.

 

That means Mangini>Belicheck

[Neubs24]

Pettine led the only defense to let Weeden beat them this year...so there's that. Buffalo allowed 37 points that game...to Weeden...let that sink in for a minute.

no, his defense gave up 23 pts to Weeden. 9 pts of which is FG's.

[bbedward]

Pettine led the only defense to let Weeden beat them this year...so there's that. Buffalo allowed 37 points that game...to Weeden...let that sink in for a minute.

We won by D/ST. Weeden had what, 1TD?

[hoorta]

 

I saw a rumor McDaniels is sniffing around again too.

 

Just like when you get a new girlfriend and the chick that turned you down sees you out and says "hmm".

 

It would take me a long time to warm up to McDaniels..

 

I'd be onboard with Pettine before the press conference is over.

 

Zombo

 

 

LOL, hire McDaniels as assistant HC, OC- the only way they can do it.

 

 

I'll miss seeing you a time or two a year since it sounds like you are tossing the season tickets.

 

I'll never toss the season tickets 'Peen- those are inheritance for the nieces and nephews. But as I'm sure you realize, I'm more than a little upset about the current state of the Browns. Not much we can do but sit and wait to see if they really hire Pettine, who he brings in as coordinators, and who Lobotomy drafts.

 

LOL, I heard the Stooges are offering Pettine an eight game contract, with an option for another eight.

 

 

[bonedawg]

I agree. Bill Belicheck let a Mangini led Browns team score 34 points on them in a terrible loss.

 

That means Mangini>Belicheck

 

So now Pettine is Belicheck? Fucking hell...Don't get me wrong, if he is our coach, I want him to succeed. Let's just be honest, he was our 6th choice after not being able to grab anyone else and not anoint him as something great coming from a 6-10 team with a mediocre defense that he ran last year.

[Tour2ma]

Talk on SportsCenter as I type this that final contract terms are being hammered out with Pettine... and that Josh McD turned us down.. again...

 

Sentiment seems to be that while a good hire, Pettine does not seem to be what our FO really wanted, i.e., an Offense oriented HC.

 

Smells like panic...

 

Even still, I jumped the gun and did a write up on the guy. There's some interesting facts about his defense and what he could bring to the team.

http://factoryofsadness.sportsblog.com/post/249206/browns_to_hire_mike_pettine.html

 

Nice early take, but I'm not seeing the importance of the Tackle total for comparing the teams.

 

1) I was not a huge fan of (Shurmur), but I also think he deserved another year.

 

The above is grounds for a piss-test...

 

We had an anemic offense and an awful special teams that allowed short fields to many teams.

 

Then he'll feel right at home in Cleveland...

 

LOL, I heard the Stooges are offering Pettine an eight game contract, with an option for another eight.

 

Whose option?

[Cielo]

So now Pettine is Belicheck? Fucking hell...Don't get me wrong, if he is our coach, I want him to succeed. Let's just be honest, he was our 6th choice after not being able to grab anyone else and not anoint him as something great coming from a 6-10 team with a mediocre defense that he ran last year.

 

I was inferring don't judge a guy based on one game.

[bbedward]

 

So now Pettine is Belicheck? Fucking hell...Don't get me wrong, if he is our coach, I want him to succeed. Let's just be honest, he was our 6th choice after not being able to grab anyone else and not anoint him as something great coming from a 6-10 team with a mediocre defense that he ran last year.

Ugh he forgot the pink font.

 

The other top candidates sucked worse anyway IMO.

 

The Bill's defense blew away Horton's too.

 

They suffered from the same QB carousel and lousy special teams we did, not a bad defense.

[Tim Couch Pulls Out]

 

How can you say Horton was over-hyped? Correct me if I'm wrong but was anyone predicting that in one year our new defense would pee all over the 85 bears or the steel curtain from the 70's? Was that what everyone was expecting? I'm sorry but can you please explain how Horton failed after just one year? How can you be glad that we're turning the scheme over.................again

How about the fact that he was labeled as one of the next "great" defensive coordinators after what he did in Arizona, yet the Cardinals actually did better this season without him there and finished ahead of the Browns in overall defense.

 

Or the fact that we have a stable of pass rushing specialists but are mired in the middle of the league in sacks.

 

Or the fact that our defense has made minimal, at best, improvements in many key statistics.

 

Or the fact that we had nearly the worst fourth quarter and redzone defense in the entire NFL.

 

I think people expected a little more from him than that.

 

And we're not changing schemes so that, like the rest of your post, is erroneous.

[Canton Mike]

How about the fact that he was labeled as one of the next "great" defensive coordinators after what he did in Arizona, yet the Cardinals actually did better this season without him there and finished ahead of the Browns in overall defense.

 

Or the fact that we have a stable of pass rushing specialists but are mired in the middle of the league in sacks.

 

Or the fact that our defense has made minimal, at best, improvements in many key statistics.

 

Or the fact that we had nearly the worst fourth quarter and redzone defense in the entire NFL.

 

I think people expected a little more from him than that.

 

And we're not changing schemes so that, like the rest of your post, is erroneous.

 

Agreed, but let's also mention the absolutely LOUSY tackling & also awful 3rd down D!

 

Mike!

[bbedward]

Our D is the reason we lost some games single handedly this year.

 

We can't even use the "but if we had good QB play this year"

 

JC had a few really solid games that we lost this year.

[Spectralcow]

Hmmm... I don't know if I'd say the D lost us some games. I haven't gone back and looked,... maybe they did? I might be wrong. But if you're referring to some of those games in which we were ahead and kept giving the ball back to the other team without running much time off the clock, I don't think we can hang that solely on the D...