Soju Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 He's not even the best lock down CB in the draft. He's physical but a shut down corner like Haden is...he's just not. Should have grabbed Watkins, then jumped up to get Johnny, take Evans somehow then get Manziel. Just do not like this Gilbert kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiott Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 We don't know how they're gonna look like on the field. Let just support the picks and the organisation. Maybe Gilbert will be even better than Haden. We don't know and i think the Browns know better than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 really? who cares what you like. now go home and grab your shine box bidatch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 I don't like this soju character. We shoulda traded up and got ghoolie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted May 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Gilbert is a Patrick Peterson type talent. I said back in January he was on the fringe of being in my group of elite players with the top 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuckin Futz Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 You don't like it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 rich4eagle and ghoolie for a 7th rounder? price is too steep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Buffalo Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 I will admit he was more raw than Dennard, but more pro ready than Fuller. He also has the dimensions and athletic skill that you just can't teach. If you were looking for players with instant NFL talent that don't need hardly any coaching on their mechanics, then Dennard and Verrret would have been your choices, but they also went #24 and #25 overall for a reason (Dennard only as average athletic ability and below average speed, Verret is short with injury issues). I like the pick. I think he can be even better than Haden in a few years, and Haden is an all pro talent. I think asking this guy to come in and have him strictly cover the #2 WR, instead of sticking him and Haden to specific sides of the field will help him be successful in his rookie year while he developed some of his finer mechanics more. But at the same time he isn't all that raw in coverage. His biggest knock is that he isn't a great tackler. However Haden wasn't considered a good tackler either, and now he is considered one of the best tackling CB in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 I don't like that you done like what Farmer likes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soju Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 I don't like this soju character. We shoulda traded up and got ghoolie. I think you're mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 He's not even the best lock down CB in the draft. He's physical but a shut down corner like Haden is...he's just not. Should have grabbed Watkins, then jumped up to get Johnny, take Evans somehow then get Manziel. Just do not like this Gilbert kid. And nothing said about his return ability. You sir don't know shit about football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soju Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 And nothing said about his return ability. You sir don't know shit about football. well that's not true at all. You should apologize for making such an asinine statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 I think you're mad. Yeah sweet comeback. You got me good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 well that's not true at all. You should apologize for making such an asinine statement. You will apologize after dude makes the Pro Bowl. Care to make a wager? Patrick Peterson part duex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Buffalo Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Ya, everyone is forgetting that next to Beckham and Watkins, he is the best return man in the draft. Last year we got fucked when Benjamin went down. We didn't have anyone to return the ball. Now we have Benjamin, Hawkins, and Gilbert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCDawg82 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Until They got Manziel, I hated it too! I thought it was a HUGE reach, for a guy who wasn't even the consensus best CB in the draft! At this point (#4), everything had fallen into place to take Watkins who isn't a gamble, who WOULD start day one and give the team a huge boost! But, in the end, I'm wrong because this Front Office proved they knew what they were doing getting a #1 next year, and getting the best QB in the draft (My opinion, you don't have to agree or even like it). Instead of not giving a $%^& about the rest of the draft and really next season, now I'm fired up to see who they pick the rest of the way out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Wow. What a negative life you must lead. Bet those around your are overjoyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuNNerGatSKi Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Soju your such a big fucking crybaby. How do you enjoy living such a negative, pessimistic existence? You must be fucking miserable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 If Debbie Downer (soju) doesn't like him, I think he's my new favorite player then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Couldn't be more wrong. This is a great pick. #2 CB was our 2nd biggest need, and when you're talking about playing against Roethlisberger, Dalton, and Flacco twice a year, you need to have two great CBs to prevent those guys from shreading you. Having two great man coverage CBs also allows you to bring extra blitzers, which we have plenty of... The only bigger need was backup/developmental QB - and we got one of those as well. Kudos to Farmer and his team. I hope they keep it up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCDawg82 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Bottom line. Even an excellent defense, which the browns might have if Gilbert lives up to a top ten talent, wears out if your offense goes 3&out EVERY SERIES. The Browns biggest need was an offensive weapon to keep the defense off the field. This was a very deep draft at CB, But again, I'm pumped now! I can't decide if you go with Lee or Xavier at #35......? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Bottom line. Even an excellent defense, which the browns might have if Gilbert lives up to a top ten talent, wears out if your offense goes 3&out EVERY SERIES. The Browns biggest need was an offensive weapon to keep the defense off the field. This was a very deep draft at CB, But again, I'm pumped now! I can't decide if you go with Lee or Xavier at #35......? I'm betting that's what the FO believes they have done at 22, just a hunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 I'm betting that's what the FO believes they have done at 22, just a hunch. ^this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Joe Haden will be moved to #2 in the next two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cbus Brownie Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 He's not even the best lock down CB in the draft. He's physical but a shut down corner like Haden is...he's just not. Should have grabbed Watkins, then jumped up to get Johnny, take Evans somehow then get Manziel. Just do not like this Gilbert kid. So you're not going to put the blinders on and say this is an awesome pick like everyone else on this homer board? Every move the Browns make is a smart, strategic move. If you disagree with that, Soju, you're a f* moron. I'll be cool with the pick when Gilbert does well on the field. Noone knows how this will pan out, but he def wouldn't have been my first pick and I certainly wouldnt have traded up with Minn when they wouldn't have got him. I'm happy with our 1st round. Need to address WR and OL tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Buffalo Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Bottom line. Even an excellent defense, which the browns might have if Gilbert lives up to a top ten talent, wears out if your offense goes 3&out EVERY SERIES. The Browns biggest need was an offensive weapon to keep the defense off the field. This was a very deep draft at CB, But again, I'm pumped now! I can't decide if you go with Lee or Xavier at #35......? This draft is no where nearly as deep at CB as it is at WR. Cality starting CB are pretty much gone at this point, there are still 4-5 good WR's still on the board. The difference between the 1st wave of WR to the 2nd, compared to the 1st and 2nd wave of CB, is staggeringly different. There are like 1, maybe two, fringe top CB guys left, then the drop off after them is just ridiculous. So you're not going to put the blinders on and say this is an awesome pick like everyone else on this homer board? Every move the Browns make is a smart, strategic move. If you disagree with that, Soju, you're a f* moron. I'll be cool with the pick when Gilbert does well on the field. Noone knows how this will pan out, but he def wouldn't have been my first pick and I certainly wouldnt have traded up with Minn when they wouldn't have got him. I'm happy with our 1st round. Need to address WR and OL tonight. I don't think he is the best CB talent wise who was drafted that will play next season. I think in 3 years he will be the best CB from this draft. That is what you draft for. How good do you project this player to be 2-3 years down the road. Dennard, as it stands now, it most likely the most talented CB to be drafted who will play next season. I expect him to have a better rookie season on defense. However I also don't see him getting much better than what he currently is. I think he is just about maxed out as a player. He is going to be a solid starting CB with a few pro bowls under his belt if he is as good as we think he is right now. Gilbert on the other hand could see much better and be a year to year all pro in a few seasons and I think he can do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Bottom line. Even an excellent defense, which the browns might have if Gilbert lives up to a top ten talent, wears out if your offense goes 3&out EVERY SERIES. The Browns biggest need was an offensive weapon to keep the defense off the field. This was a very deep draft at CB, But again, I'm pumped now! I can't decide if you go with Lee or Xavier at #35......? wrong. after the top 3-4 prospects, the CBs fall off to 3rd round talent unlike WRs. everyone says this year's draft was/is so deep. yeah at WR. other than that tell me what position and what 'great' talent there is after the top 5 in any category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bummie Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 I would assume they chose Gilbert ahead of the others because they know what they're doing, namely Pettine, when it comes to CBs. Given the pick of the litter he chose Gilbert. He just so happens to be the guy I wanted as our first pick, but even if he wasn't, there comes a time when you have to put some faith in the person who's qualifications on this matter far outweigh your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cbus Brownie Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 This draft is no where nearly as deep at CB as it is at WR. Cality starting CB are pretty much gone at this point, there are still 4-5 good WR's still on the board. The difference between the 1st wave of WR to the 2nd, compared to the 1st and 2nd wave of CB, is staggeringly different. There are like 1, maybe two, fringe top CB guys left, then the drop off after them is just ridiculous. I don't think he is the best CB talent wise who was drafted that will play next season. I think in 3 years he will be the best CB from this draft. That is what you draft for. How good do you project this player to be 2-3 years down the road. Dennard, as it stands now, it most likely the most talented CB to be drafted who will play next season. I expect him to have a better rookie season on defense. However I also don't see him getting much better than what he currently is. I think he is just about maxed out as a player. He is going to be a solid starting CB with a few pro bowls under his belt if he is as good as we think he is right now. Gilbert on the other hand could see much better and be a year to year all pro in a few seasons and I think he can do that. Fair assessment, opinion. I hope it pans out that way, I truely do. But things usually don't work out the way we envision. He's a solid CB with alot of potential. A fair argument can be made he was a reach at 8th overall, but the fact we walk with the QB we wanted and the #1 and 4 from Buffalo in 2015, I'm happy and think Farmer did a great job. Only time will tell, though. We need Gilbert to develop and produce on Hadens level. Anything less will be a dissapointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 I would assume they chose Gilbert ahead of the others because they know what they're doing, namely Pettine, when it comes to CBs. Given the pick of the litter he chose Gilbert. He just so happens to be the guy I wanted as our first pick, but even if he wasn't, there comes a time when you have to put some faith in the person who's qualifications on this matter far outweigh your own. +100000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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