DieHardBrownsFan Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 Baseball is exciting compared to soccer, in my opinion. And a true American sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 Baseball is exciting compared to soccer, in my opinion. And a true American sport. and how old might you be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 Damn... all of those graphs and numbers... and it was the last post on the page, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 under my unbearable Brazilian breath. smells like coffee and ass? dude, you are hilarious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 Between the Men's WC last year, the Women's WC this year, the 2016 Copa America tourney being held in the US, (and potentially the 2022 WC), growing popularity of the EPL, growing popularity and expansion of the MLS, bringing older overseas stars to the MLS, shifting US demographics to ethnicities that watch soccer, etc etc etc Among 12-24 year old in the US, Messi is their 4th favorite athlete and Ronaldo is their 7th. Or this graphic from a few years ago, showing Pro Soccer as the 2nd favorite sport among 12-24 year olds Soccer is growing in popularity in this country, whether some want to admit it or not. On the other hand.... On the other hand Baseball is dying a slow death. The average fan is getting older and older as kids today become less interested in the sport. I find the sport incredibly boring, and look forward to it becoming much less relevant. Watching the same Top 10s all summer, a variation of maybe three different plays in baseball, gets incredibly old... Keep trying soccer fag. See the graph, soccer is LAST in popularity among the demographics that count.....and that would be "Americans". But...I will give you this to ponder: Why in hell are we getting so much freaking English/European soccer. Sure, its premier over there....but if In fact I do want to watch soccer....which is rare...I want to see the MLS. (Is it "minor" in comparison? Maybe....but it is our North American league. I am more interested in if NY, Chicago, LA, Dallas/Portland/Seattle...even Columbus and what they do than I am interested in what Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham...or who the fuck ever is doing. Half of those teams aren't even towns/cities. I don't know what they are. Here we want city vs. city. Pittsburgh vs. Cleveland, Boston vs. NY, Chicago vs. Detroit. At least, to me, there would be more interest in those matchups. The only thing comparable that I could tell that exists there would be like a Manchester vs. Liverpool match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 EPL has the all stars. They are a better product. That is why. MLS is improving, but isn't at that level. Without a local team to root for, I'd want to watch the best players and the best product. I'll have to look over the source of your graph again (where someone's favorite sport can be "Olympics"). Either way, what about all of the data I presented? Do you disagree with the notion that baseball is dying and soccer is growing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 EPL has the all stars. They are a better product. That is why. MLS is improving, but isn't at that level. Without a local team to root for, I'd want to watch the best players and the best product. That doesn't do it for me. The best cricket players come from Pakistan and India....that doesn't mean I would not rather watch American cricket (if such a thing existed) Perhaps I am spoiled as we know that the world's best baseball/football/basketball/hockey players play here. Nevertheless...I would still much rather see the North American competition. I'll have to look over the source of your graph again (where someone's favorite sport can be "Olympics"). Either way, what about all of the data I presented? Do you disagree with the notion that baseball is dying and soccer is growing? Yes, partially I do. I think that is just your brain at work...not the reality. While soccer is growing...it is not growing at the rate you think....and I don't think baseball is dying....at all. I mean....10/20/50 times more people still go to see baseball than go to see soccer in the country. Maybe you just wish it were so. Michigan just won the Big Ten baseball title. I expect more were interested in that than if they won the Big Ten soccer title. Look I went to a college that recently won a soccer National Championship.....and which was probably the most significant team sports title this area has seen since the Browns won in 1964. That still would not get me to say that baseball is dying. (And "The Olympics" is in fact a major spectator sport event...that is highly popular. My wife will watch "The Olympics" more than any other sporting event on TV...so don't be snide" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 I loved playing Olympics in gym. I know a kid that played travel Olympics. I wasn't bad at Olympics either.... You're confusing soccer growing and baseball dying with soccer being more popular than baseball, which I never said. The graphs above show a sport with an aging fan base that isn't being replaced with a younger audience. That doesn't paint a good picture for MLB. On the other hand soccer is growing in popularity, especially among the younger audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 I loved playing Olympics in gym. I know a kid that played travel Olympics. I wasn't bad at Olympics either.... Now you are coming off as simply stupid. Is that your intent? You're confusing soccer growing and baseball dying with soccer being more popular than baseball, which I never said. I didn't confuse shit. I said you are just flat out wrong and you can't accept that. The graphs above show a sport with an aging fan base that isn't being replaced with a younger audience. That doesn't paint a good picture for MLB. And I have seen other graphs that show many young people just as interested in baseball. On the other hand soccer is growing in popularity, especially among the younger audience. Yet...many more of them go to baseball games than go to soccer games. I have/ younger kids. around your age. I have ever once ever heard them ask me to take them to a soccer game. But they did want to go to an Indians game on many occassions. Maybe if Cleveland had a team there would have been some interest. Not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyceRolls Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Gip, with all due respect, you're the skip bayless of the Browns board. You never back off of an opinion and must always have the last word. I'm not saying that it's always a bad thing unless of course you're objectively wrong. You said 10/20/50 times more people go to baseball games than soccer and without getting into what a vague estimate that is, it isn't at all the point. Soccer is more popular with the younger generation than baseball which has nothing to do with current attendance. Baseball has historically been more popular than soccer in this country, but the tides are changing. You go on to say that you didn't confuse shit, but citing made up attendance numbers in this context contradicts that statement. The objective facts state that the popularity of soccer is on the rise while interest in baseball is dwindling. Baseball ratings get lower every year which is why it's a great american PAST time. Im sure you'll have some color coded response floundering about in a sea of nearly on-topic minutia and gripes about syntax or some other irrelevant horse shit, but it's ok, I'll let you have the last word, Gip Bayless. Edit: just for the record I would much rather watch baseball than soccer, but that is neither here nor there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Gip, with all due respect, you're the skip bayless of the Browns board. You never back off of an opinion and must always have the last word. I'm not saying that it's always a bad thing unless of course you're objectively wrong. A very rare occurrence You said 10/20/50 times more people go to baseball games than soccer and without getting into what a vague estimate that is, it isn't at all the point. Soccer is more popular with the younger generation than baseball which has nothing to do with current attendance. Baseball has historically been more popular than soccer in this country, but the tides are changing. My numbers were just guesstimates. You go on to say that you didn't confuse shit, but citing made up attendance numbers in this context contradicts that statement. I said that baseball attendance figures were NOT waning....(but I didn't deny that soccer attendance may be increasing...I am not actually certain). So, what are YOU confused by? Nothing I said certainly. The objective facts state that the popularity of soccer is on the rise while interest in baseball is dwindling. Baseball ratings get lower every year which is why it's a great american PAST time. That is NOT fucking objective at all......it is purely subjective on your part. There is little dwindling of interest in baseball: Any "dwindling" can be attributable to economics primarily. The small drop coincides with the nation's recession(If you looked at my income figures my "dwindling" would be worse than this") The same sort of trend has occurred with the MLS: istoric average attendances[edit] Season CHI CHV COL CLB DAL DCU HOU LA MIA MON NE NYRB PHI POR RSL SJ SEA KC TB TOR VAN 1996 10,213 18,950 16,011 15,262 28,916 19,205 23,898 17,232 12,878 11,679 1997 11,835 15,043 9,678 16,698 20,626 21,423 16,899 13,597 9,058 11,333 1998 17,886 14,812 12,274 10,947 16,007 21,784 10,284 19,187 16,519 13,653 8,072 10,312 1999 16,016 14,029 17,696 12,211 17,419 17,632 8,689 16,795 14,706 14,959 8,183 13,106 2000 13,387 12,580 15,451 13,102 18,580 20,400 7,460 15,463 17,621 12,460 9,112 9,452 2001 16,388 16,481 17,511 12,574 21,518 17,387 11,177 15,654 20,806 9,635 9,112 10,479 2002 12,922 20,690 17,429 13,122 16,519 19,047 16,927 18,155 11,150 12,255 2003 14,005 16,772 16,250 7,906 15,565 21,983 14,641 15,822 10,466 15,573 2004 17,153 14,195 16,872 9,008 17,232 23,809 12,226 17,195 13,001 14,816 2005 17,238 17,080 16,638 12,916 11,189 16,664 24,204 12,525 15,077 18,037 13,037 9,691 2006 14,111 19,840 12,056 13,294 14,982 18,251 18,935 20,814 11,786 14,570 16,366 11,083 2007 16,490 14,305 14,749 15,230 15,154 20,967 15,883 24,252 16,787 16,530 15,960 11,586 20,130 2008 17,034 15,114 13,659 14,662 13,024 19,835 16,939 26,009 17,580 15,928 16,179 13,856 10,686 20,120 2009 15,487 15,725 13,018 14,175 12,440 15,585 17,624 20,827 12,427 12,744 17,831 10,329 31,203 10,053 20,344 2010 15,814 14,576 14,329 14,642 10,815 14,532 17,310 21,437 12,987 18,441 19,254 17,095 9,659 36,173 10,287 20,453 2011 14,274 14,830 14,838 12,185 12,861 15,181 17,694 23,335 13,222 19,691 18,259 18,827 17,594 11,858 38,496 17,810 20,267 20,412 2012 16,409 13,056 15,175 14,397 14,199 13,846 21,015 23,136 22,772 14,001 18,281 18,053 20,438 19,087 13,293 43,144 19,404 18,155 19,475 2013 15,228 8,366 15,440 16,080 15,373 13,646 19,923 22,152 20,602 14,844 19,461 17,867 20,674 19,218 12,765 44,038 19,708 18,131 20,038 2014 16,076 7,063 15,082 16,881 16,816 17,030 20,117 21,258 17,421 16,681 19,421 17,631 20,806 20,351 14,947 43,734 20,003 22,086 20,408 Total Average 15,642 13,995 14,652 15,270 12,706 16,860 18,382 22,053 9,403 20,65 15,492 17,461 18,213 20,186 17,772 12,669 39,465 12,598 11,060 19,961 20,083 Im sure you'll have some color coded response floundering about in a sea of nearly on-topic minutia and gripes about syntax or some other irrelevant horse shit, but it's ok, I'll let you have the last word, Gip Bayless. Yea...I have come up with some color coded response. It is called "facts"....not subjective speculation. Edit: just for the record I would much rather watch baseball than soccer, but that is neither here nor there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Soccer is popular with kids 5-12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Soccer is popular with kids 5-12. And with Moms who own mini vans..... It's darn near replaced little league, thats for sure. Personally, I always loved playing baseball, but think it is boring a hell to watch......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Soccer is popular with kids 5-12. Because suburban mothers don't want their little kids playing with Negroes at the city park. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Soccer is popular with kids 5-12. 12-24 as well... As we can see in the data I posted earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Because suburban mothers don't want their little kids playing with Negroes at the city park. WSS Even as a joke this really doesn't make sense. Based on demos in the suburbs, where these parks/fields exist, and who is playing what sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted May 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 And with Moms who own mini vans..... It's darn near replaced little league, thats for sure. Personally, I always loved playing baseball, but think it is boring a hell to watch......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Are the Moms with the Mini Vans with Children from 5-12 also thinking, Less likely of injuries in soccer than Baseballs thrown by kids below age of 12?? Some Parents choose to wussify kids these days and possible flow chart has got to be out there.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 Even as a joke this really doesn't make sense. Based on demos in the suburbs, where these parks/fields exist, and who is playing what sport. Well it isn't a joke and its not mean spirited. suburban moms don't want their kids competing and playing against tougher inner city school teams. soccer seems safer to them. football? It's a little rough. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Well it isn't a joke and its not mean spirited. suburban moms don't want their kids competing and playing against tougher inner city school teams. soccer seems safer to them. football? It's a little rough. WSS Well, that isn't what you said. You said suburban moms don't want their kids competing against black kids in the city park, as a response to a post saying soccer is popular for kids 5-`12. - Football was never mentioned originally. Of course football is more physical, no matter is who you're playing. I was only ever comparing soccer and baseball, which is why your comment made no sense to me. It seems like your whole comparison was meant to be football vs soccer, which is fine, but that wasn't how you stated it. You basically just said mom''s have their kids play soccer because they dont want them playing with black kids in a city park. Which is incorrect on multiple levels... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Are the Moms with the Mini Vans with Children from 5-12 also thinking, Less likely of injuries in soccer than Baseballs thrown by kids below age of 12?? Some Parents choose to wussify kids these days and possible flow chart has got to be out there.. Football is a collision sport Soccer is a contact sport Baseball is a "maybe there is some light contact, and anything big is generally an accident, like two outfielders running into each other, or a wild pitch" I am not sure how you could list baseball as more physical than soccer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 I loved playing Olympics in gym. I know a kid that played travel Olympics. I wasn't bad at Olympics either.... Now you are coming off as simply stupid. Is that your intent? You're confusing soccer growing and baseball dying with soccer being more popular than baseball, which I never said. I didn't confuse shit. I said you are just flat out wrong and you can't accept that. The graphs above show a sport with an aging fan base that isn't being replaced with a younger audience. That doesn't paint a good picture for MLB. And I have seen other graphs that show many young people just as interested in baseball. On the other hand soccer is growing in popularity, especially among the younger audience. Yet...many more of them go to baseball games than go to soccer games. I have/ younger kids. around your age. I have ever once ever heard them ask me to take them to a soccer game. But they did want to go to an Indians game on many occassions. Maybe if Cleveland had a team there would have been some interest. Not sure. My intent was to poke fun at your graph from earlier. What am I wrong about? What evidence do you have to show I am wrong? Show me those graphs that show young people just as interested in baseball... I hate baseball, but I have been to more Indians games than pro soccer matches (0 pro matches, but some college games and 1 international game). You know why? It is readily available and pretty cheap. I imagine if I lived in Cbus I would have gone to some crew games. My friends went, I was invited, and after the game we hung out downtown. Hardly anyone at a baseball game even watches the game anyway, based on my experience. Of course, there being more people attending baseball overall (more matches, more stadiums, more teams) which probably means more young kids (probably, you'd need to provide data) doesn't mean much in the context of what we were talking about. I have provided numerous pieces of evidence showing the decline in baseball and growth in soccer. What do you have...? ... the Gippper "old man" special, anecdotal evidence. Congrats, your kids didn't want to go to a soccer match for the pro team that didn't exist in Cleveland. That settles the debate then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 My intent was to poke fun at your graph from earlier. What am I wrong about? What evidence do you have to show I am wrong? Show me those graphs that show young people just as interested in baseball... I hate baseball, but I have been to more Indians games than pro soccer matches (0 pro matches, but some college games and 1 international game). You know why? It is readily available and pretty cheap. I imagine if I lived in Cbus I would have gone to some crew games. My friends went, I was invited, and after the game we hung out downtown. Hardly anyone at a baseball game even watches the game anyway, based on my experience. Of course, there being more people attending baseball overall (more matches, more stadiums, more teams) which probably means more young kids (probably, you'd need to provide data) doesn't mean much in the context of what we were talking about. I have provided numerous pieces of evidence showing the decline in baseball and growth in soccer. What do you have...? ... the Gippper "old man" special, anecdotal evidence. Congrats, your kids didn't want to go to a soccer match for the pro team that didn't exist in Cleveland. That settles the debate then... Nap time for woody. He's getting cranky....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Nap time for woody. He's getting cranky....... Get it out of your system now. I don't think they'll give you internet access in the home... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Soccer is growing in popularity. I'm not sure what the argument is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Get it out of your system now. I don't think they'll give you internet access in the home... You'd be surprised at all the pussy I get here. But then again, you haven't had pussy since pussy had you..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Ok woody let's pretend tough inner city kids and black kids are two completely different bunches of people. geez. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryfine Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 I would be Otto Graham by the way. Pro Football in the 50s would be awesome.Being the QB of the greatest team in the sport and playing a championship game every year of your career ... C'mon. Z Yes, what an accomplishment especially with all the competition he had back then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 You'd be surprised at all the pussy I get here. Eeeewwwww Damn our advances in medical science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Ok woody let's pretend tough inner city kids and black kids are two completely different bunches of people. geez. WSS Alright, it looks like you didn't follow along. Your comment made no sense. You said soccer is popular among 5-12 year olds because parents don't want them getting hurt by negroes in city parks. You then went on to mention football. 1) this is soccer vs baseball, no football involved 2) most 5-12 year olds aren't playing across multiple cities 3) if they don't want them getting hurt (you later said compared to football), baseball would still be an option. Hell, it would be a safer option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkHole Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 I'm sure there's one thing everyone can agree on...soccer is for kids and pussies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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