Canton Mike Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Good thoughts guys. Bottom line is that Farmer & Pettine are REALLY going to be working overtime on many of these decisions, but it beats the easy cut decisions that had to be made in past years. We'll see. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 heck...it's interesting now......and very hard to figure what their strategy is gonna be.......keep the "best"....keep a few of each type....dunno..... But.....thinking for the long haul and as close as some of these guys seem in talent/production.....Id say the BEST strategy would be to keep as many as possible.....even if it means PS..... And the guys we can put on PS are Wynn, Mayle, Jennings and Lenz......everyone else either makes the team or gets waived.....period. IF we keep the youngsters, then we lose the vets.....(Pryor, Hawk, Gabe, Benji, etc)..... So, it makes sense to me to keep the vets and see how they do.... and if not too good, then we can activate someone from PS..... But the other way around?.....(keep the kids)....then where do we go if or when they fail?..... A couple things entered my mind as I read an interesting debate about Hawk being a lock vrs why is he a lock?: 1) Tour brought up some excellent points even though Z reminded that Hawk is a Pettine fave (for good reasons imo). 2) How many times last year with his lack of size in the slot got Hoyer to refrain from throwing a quick slant because of the wing spans/hands in the air from pass rushers ranging from 6-2 to 6-6? Think about it, if the guy is short you can't throw those high and it isn't like we have Randy Moss clearing out underneath for Wes Welker here. If there becomes a reason to insert Manziel - does this get complicated even more? Cincy decided to upgrade Hawk's lack of height and lack of TDs with taller targets; and nobody made them sorry for doing so. They like their skyline package that Dalton can throw kites to especially in the red zone. In addition, they also drafted a RB like Gio Bernard sort of like us drafting Duke Johnson to attack certain parts of the defense like the flats and grey areas between the flats and hook zones. However, these are areas the QB's passes can clear the pass rushers much easier for shorter/compact targets. Hawk is still a good player to put out there and even consider moving around in certain situations. However, he's not always the best target for our QBs especially if Flip wants to throw a lot of short slant passes this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffer X Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Hawk brings certain things to the offense with his quicks and professionalism, but throwing the ball up to him is not an option as we saw McCown throw a pick the other night that a vet receiver with size could have went up and got. That part of the game is not in Hawk's repertoire, however, he does bring other things to the table. Cincy didn't want to get rid of Hawk, they simply couldn't afford to match our offer. I expect Hawk to get isolated quite a bit this year and have a 70 catch season as long as he stays healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Here are some receiver stats and numbers.....so far...... First......there are 2 receivers who haven't played......Pryor and Bowe......so they both score a zero so far.... Gabe(2), Hartline(5) and Bibbs(5) all have a perfect 100% catch rate.....12 targets for 12 catches..... Benjiman and Wynn have the only TD catches(2)..... Hawkins has the fewest reps(24)....fewest targets(2) and fewest catches(1)...dont know what that means, but there it is... Mayle is the only player credited with even having a dropped pass.....except he has 3.... He is also the only receiver credited with any penalties.....and he has 2.... Mayle, Jennings and Lenz have the most reps(snaps)....by far.....telling me these 3 are competing for a spot? Maybe Hawk has the fewest because he's already in?...... Highest PFF rating goes to Jennings(+1.2) and lowest goes to Mayle(-5.8).... Highest YPC goes to Jennings at 17.....lowest goes to Hawk at -1.....haha...in fairness, he has only one catch....next lowest are Benji and Lenz tied at 5.5 ypc.... Highest YAC goes to Gabe at +7.5 and the lowest YAC goes to Benji at -1.3..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 A couple things entered my mind as I read an interesting debate about Hawk being a lock vrs why is he a lock?: 1) Tour brought up some excellent points even though Z reminded that Hawk is a Pettine fave (for good reasons imo). 2) How many times last year with his lack of size in the slot got Hoyer to refrain from throwing a quick slant because of the wing spans/hands in the air from pass rushers ranging from 6-2 to 6-6? Think about it, if the guy is short you can't throw those high and it isn't like we have Randy Moss clearing out underneath for Wes Welker here. If there becomes a reason to insert Manziel - does this get complicated even more? Never was a fan of the Bowe signing, but that's water under or over something or other... On Hawk... just a feeling. His lack of production so far may be due to the staff not having to see him, but 1 catch for -1 yards (plus I think a lateral for a small gain.... but it's not in the stats) is not exactly comforting. Good point on JM... the shorter in stature the QB, the higher you'd expect quick slant throws to have to be. We saw an example in the Bills' game on the slant to the statuesque, 5'10 Benji. heck...it's interesting now......and very hard to figure what their strategy is gonna be.......keep the "best"....keep a few of each type....dunno..... Certainly the stated approach for the team as a whole is to keep the best talent, but there are positon minimums. I'm not aware of any minimums within a given position. Height in some of your WRs is nice, but if some on your roster do not use their height to good effect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 well....one less wr to worry about....Shane Wynn cut today...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 well....one less wr to worry about....Shane Wynn cut today...... Kid has great quicks but we had too many midgets already. Bigger, more experieinced midgets. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 Gonna guess Benji's punt return closed the door on what chance Shane had... Early cut gives Shane opportunity to catch on somewhere else, but if he doesn't, then he might end up back on our PS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 I doubt another team signs Shane Wynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 Probably right, Mike, but he's the kind of player that flashed enough to get noticed in an early cut. He might get signed for a closer look the last week of Pre-season by a team in need of a punt returner and/or with an injury situation at WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 I doubt another team signs Shane Wynn You think he is CFL/Arena League material? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 I would not be surprised to see someone take him soon just to see if what he did on the field is an everyday thing or not. I agree Tour. I thought at the time that runback last Sat.might just seal Wynn's fate. But his prior one might have already gained the attention of another team. We'll see shortly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 I still think Pryor makes the 53. He's already been informed that he's got at least 2 other teams that want him on their roster. Last year, Charles Johnson not only made MInnesota's roster.. he became their #1. That's a trend which doesn't need to continue. Lenz and Mayle both to PS, they won't get picked up by anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 Gonna guess Benji's punt return closed the door on what chance Shane had... Early cut gives Shane opportunity to catch on somewhere else, but if he doesn't, then he might end up back on our PS. Hate to be Captain Obvious- but Benjamin's play against Tampa made him a roster lock. Wasn't just the run back either- had a couple nice catches. Pryor's roster spot depends if he plays Thursday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Things are getting too cordial. All of you are idiots. Why thank you old chap Any chance we can trade Bowe to Carolina? anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Why thank you old chap Any chance we can trade Bowe to Carolina? anywhere? Carolina traded for Norwood from Seattle today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Hate to be Captain Obvious- but Benjamin's play against Tampa made him a roster lock. Wasn't just the run back either- had a couple nice catches. Pryor's roster spot depends if he plays Thursday. Everything I've heard makes me think Pryor was a lock/project from Day 1. We'll see, but I think he'll be limited if he plays at all Thursday and still makes the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 You think he is CFL/Arena League material?Arena probably. Looks a little (no pun intended) like Trindon Holliday. I don't see that good of a player though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Everything I've heard makes me think Pryor was a lock/project from Day 1. We'll see, but I think he'll be limited if he plays at all Thursday and still makes the team. Pettine said in his presser that Pryor making the team didn't necessarily depend on Thursday night. It depends a lot more on making a projection of what he can be, not what he is now or Thursday. His ability to be an emergency QB doesn't hurt, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Here's my 6 this week:Hartline: leaving us no choice but feeling like he is needed Bowe: FA commitment with a bad hammy Pryor: Early buzz of training camp sentenced to a bad hammy Hawk: Great job last year and continues to sport a bust tail work ethic Gabriel: Same goodies as Hawk with 17.3 yards per catch from the undrafted rookie who caught seemingly everything Benjamin: Exactly why you invest time training a guy who responds to coaching. Elite speed, reliable hands, and a STs threat. What if somebody isn't who we thought he'd be? The 30 year old Bowe (already dealing with a hammy issue) is coming off only 60 rec for 754 yards and 0 TDs on a 9-7 football team. The year before that he only had 57 rec for 673 yards and just 5 TDs in 15 games. Are we looking at the same Dwayne Bowe we used to want on our fantasy football rosters? If yes, that's good. If not - somebody with best football ahead is getting cut, IR'd or stashed on the PS as temporary as Charles Johnson was. Overall, this sudden WR depth is a good problem to have if we don't end up getting burned keeping someone that can't stay healthy in lieu of someone that has been stepping for those that aren't healthy right now. Bowe never showed us anything but rear view mirror this preseason. It would shock me if we cut a WR with promising upside to keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Josh Lenz was cut per Aaron Wilson https://twitter.com/aaronwilson_nfl/status/640158342741032960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Josh Lenz was cut per Aaron Wilson https://twitter.com/aaronwilson_nfl/status/640158342741032960 Not too surprised really.... the kid looked pretty solid, but why keep someone who would have been inactive every game.....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 https://twitter.com/josh_lenz/status/640162170265858049 By the reaction in Cleveland, you'd think Odell Beckham just got cut. This is hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted September 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 We cut Lenz and haven't cut Mayle and Pryor? I'm sorry but Ray Farmer is an absolute fucktard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 We cut Lenz and haven't cut Mayle and Pryor? I'm sorry but Ray Farmer is an absolute fucktard. Because he cut Josh Lenz? That's insane. You do know other cuts have been made already, just not announced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted September 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 You do know other cuts have been made already, just not announced? Do you remember when we cut Charles Johnson and he out performed all of our receivers in Minnesota? Sorry but Lenz did more than Mayle and Pryor, by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Who cares? He did it against the Future Montreal Allouettes secondary players? I think Mayle should be cut too. Darius Jennings is better than both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted September 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 I wonder why there is such concern for cutting Lenz who was one of the more talented WR's on the roster. Lance Moore was signed as an undrafted free agent by the Cleveland Browns on April 29, 2005. He was later released and then signed to the New Orleans Saints' practice squad.[1] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 My only issue is.. we should have signed him to our PS. But I want to see the makeup of our PS to see if he's better than anyone we currently have. Otherwise, it's a numbers move -- and no worries. Or, if NO put in a waiver claim for him in front of us... also no worries, nothing Farmer could do about that. NO is short on WR, not unexpected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted September 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Pryor will make the team from what I'm hearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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