jbluhm86 Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 http://www.publicnewsservice.org/2015-10-12/social-justice/issue-2-in-ohio-trojan-horse/a48509-1 Public News Service - OH » October 12, 2015 Issue 2 in Ohio: Trojan Horse? COLUMBUS, Ohio The ballot measure to legalize marijuana is not the only controversial issue that will be before Ohio voters this November. Besides legalizing the drug, Issue 3 would give 10 facilities the exclusive right to grow marijuana. In response to concerns over the creation of a monopoly, lawmakers drafted Issue 2, the Ohio Initiated Monopolies Amendment. Greg Coleridge, director of American Friends Service Committee of Northeast Ohio, says Issue 2 is presented as preventing monopolies from being created and protected by the Ohio constitution. "It is somewhat of a Trojan horse that is much more than it is claimed to be and that in fact will centralize that would, if you will, monopolize the effort to try to get citizen initiatives on the ballot, and it is profoundly anti-democratic," he maintains. Coleridge explains that if Issues 2 passes, the Ohio Ballot Board, which is comprised of representatives from the two major political parties, would be charged with deciding whether any initiatives would create an economic monopoly. He says there would be no accountability and the board would control which citizen initiatives are allowed to be voted on, restricting citizens' access to the ballot. Carla Rautenberg, a move to Amend Ohio Network volunteer, contends another problem is that Issue 2 was fast-tracked through the Ohio Legislature with very little public discussion or deliberation. She says it was written in a confusing way, leaving it open for political and legal interpretation. "The language of this bill is so vague that it could be used to do very undemocratic things, she maintains. It's a poison pill. It's a sneaky, underhanded move, And it's really frightening that there are so few people that are aware of this." The American Friends Service Committee of Northeast Ohio, Common Cause, the Ohio Green Party, SPAN Ohio and the Move to Amend Ohio Network all are opposing Issue 2. It is supported by the Ohio Republican Party, several lawmakers and the County Commissioners Association of Ohio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 I don't smoke pot and I could give a rats ass who does but it is a little bit of music to see these hippies cut off their nose despite their face. Yes yes yes we want to smoke marijuana but no no no don't let corporations profit from it. I personally wish the bars in the restaurant I work at would be allowed to make a few thousand bucks extra with slot machines rather than everything going to Spitzer and Danny Gilbert. But... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 My opinion for legalizing pot is the same as when they legalized gambling, if you want to make it legal, make it legal and that anyone who can get a permit can sell(like liquor), not just friends of the current administration can sell(like gambling was set up as). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted October 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 It just struck me as kind of odd and funny that the same folks rallying against Issue 3 for the monopoly aspect would probably vote for Issue 2, which would, unknowingly to them, create a sort-of monopoly in its own right. And I totally agree with you on the gambling aspect. I'm big on poker, and would love to be able to play for real money online, but that's a no-go here in the US of A (outside of Jersey, off the top of my head). So I'm stuck pretty much with going to the closest brick and mortar's to me (Horseshoe in Cincy or the riverboats in SE Indiana), Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 In a way booze is something of a monopoly as well, just government controlled. I live in Norton which is the city but it's a pain in the ass getting a liquor license. And those who do are usually forced to prove that 75% of their business is food. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 And medical marijuana by itself won't be any different then amphetamines and oxy. Especially if they bust a few doctors who are hanging up scripts left and right. Like the speed and downer Dr from days of yore. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 I don't smoke pot and I could give a rats ass who does but it is a little bit of music to see these hippies cut off their nose despite their face. Yes yes yes we want to smoke marijuana but no no no don't let corporations profit from it. of course cause it's the sure fire way to ruin it. Look at that synthetic marijuana, what was that? Corporate America's attempt to create a synthetic analogue of marijuana that of course they had the proprietary rights to. And that shit caused some kids to flip out like on bath salts. They know people know how to grow this shit, on the very day/hour this becomes legal I'm setting up a plant or two. Not for smoke but for oil. I don't fucking need some corporate entity coming up with all kinds of marketable derivations of marijuana. I can grow it under the sun myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 My opinion for legalizing pot is the same as when they legalized gambling, if you want to make it legal, make it legal and that anyone who can get a permit can sell(like liquor), not just friends of the current administration can sell(like gambling was set up as). This is the only way it should be legal. 10 pre-determined growers (who are funding the ResponsibleOhio campaign) is pretty much an outrage. I've seen people say "they'll revise it later, next election." Yea right, once it becomes law those same millionaires will fight to keep it that way. Ohioans want it to be legal, but it won't pass because they don't have the interests of the people in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 I would support legalized marijuana only on condition the THC should be in liquid form or pill, prescribed by a doctor and dispensed at a pharmacy only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 In a way booze is something of a monopoly as well, just government controlled. I live in Norton which is the city but it's a pain in the ass getting a liquor license. And those who do are usually forced to prove that 75% of their business is food. WSS But there is a route to sell alcohol at an establishment (though stricter than it should be in your location imo). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 I would support legalized marijuana only on condition the THC should be in liquid form or pill, prescribed by a doctor and dispensed at a pharmacy only. See Steve's response earlier, you can always find a Dr. willing to prescribe what you want if you look hard enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowe Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 I would support legalized marijuana only on condition the THC should be in liquid form or pill, prescribed by a doctor and dispensed at a pharmacy only. This would be legalized medical marijuana and not recreational, right? Personally, I used to smoke but I do not now. It needs to be legalized if not for medical but for both that and recreational use. Marijuana has some incredible medical benefits and needs to be researched more. As for the issue on the ballot, I hate the way it has been presented. If I wanted to grow my own pot I should be allowed to. Any store with a license should be allowed to. If one of the points to legalizing marijuana is to grow the economy then why would you limit the potential growth to 10 different grow ops? Just the good ol' American government making no fucking sense yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 See Steve's response earlier, you can always find a Dr. willing to prescribe what you want if you look hard enough. Unfortunately when that becomes frivolous and for profit and a few of them get busted... Its just like years ago everybody knew a doctor that would write you a script for speed. More recently it's been barbiturates. Then the potheads will have to deal with pain management clinics. Pretty strict from what I hear from the pill Billys. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 I would support legalized marijuana only on condition the THC should be in liquid form or pill, prescribed by a doctor and dispensed at a pharmacy only. well now you're propping up big pharma. I don't know if you know this or not, but big pharma has been pushing to make vitamin and mineral supplements prescription only. So basically you couldn't go and buy vitamin C anymore at the store without a script. This is of course a crass attempt at a cash grab. It would do nothing but make vitamins and minerals more expensive. First you pay the Dr for the visit, than you pay pharmacist. Thank you very much NEXT!! This is why I don't want marijuana anywhere near corporations, pharmaceutical or otherwise. If you're a real proponent of the free market it has to be fully legalized where anyone can grow it. If you want me to go out and buy marijuana instead of growing it myself, than you're going to have to add some kind of value to your product that entices me to spend the extra money. That is free market capitalism at it's finest. If every kind of good and service was subjected to that dynamic, there would likely be almost zero socialist activity anywhere on the planet. Unfortunately when a few people get together, they almost always utterly destroy the sanctity of the true free market and introduce profound distortions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Yes. You sure wouldn't want the pharmaceutical companies to make profit from finding shit that will cure diseases! I'm sure the research labs in colleges and high schools can do a fine job out of the goodness of their hearts. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 No. I'm voting against three, and still don't understand two. I understand medicinal marijuana, but legalizing so anybody can grow it.... That would open up the floodgates of people growing it on other people's property, I think. Sure, in suburbs, small yards, they could grow a little bit of it. But for money making purposes, I think it would be open season on farmer's fields and property where they think the property owner won't notice. That includes low areas of fields, fields not planted, grassy fields of investment property, electric line right of ways, gas line right of ways..... ... people driving on farmer's fields with ATV's and poaching is a problem...you wait til they can grow pot and make money, without worrying about it being jail time. All it will be is trespassing - won't even be criminal trespassing if they get caught. Cornfields.... Nope, I can't vote for 3. If it does pass, I sure hope that only those ten companies are allowed to do the growing, to protect peoples' land from being invaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 No. I'm voting against three, and still don't understand two. I understand medicinal marijuana, but legalizing so anybody can grow it.... That would open up the floodgates of people growing it on other people's property, I think. Sure, in suburbs, small yards, they could grow a little bit of it. But for money making purposes, I think it would be open season on farmer's fields and property where they think the property owner won't notice. That includes low areas of fields, fields not planted, grassy fields of investment property, electric line right of ways, gas line right of ways..... ... people driving on farmer's fields with ATV's and poaching is a problem...you wait til they can grow pot and make money, without worrying about it being jail time. All it will be is trespassing - won't even be criminal trespassing if they get caught. Cornfields.... Nope, I can't vote for 3. If it does pass, I sure hope that only those ten companies are allowed to do the growing, to protect peoples' land from being invaded. I doubt your reasons, in fact if it was legal to grow you would find a decrease in that type of situations. A few farmers would likely change a portion of their production from food to cash crop and would be able to produce it at a large enough rate to make illegal farming to risky and less profitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 I voted for it today by absentee. Yes on 3, no on 2. If it passes I wont smoke it but will take the oil or whatever to get a buzz. Screw it. Might as well enjoy my life while I can. Maybe it will make me more mellow. And by the way, it will be sold for recreational purposes in smoking form, oil and in food if it passes. Its all explained on the ballot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Cal may be the only one on here against legalizing weed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Cal may be the only one on here against legalizing weed I am only for it conditionally and those conditions aren't being met and I will vote against it. I only support it for medical reasons. If it can be used medically I am for it but treat it like other medications with a doctor prescription and being dispensed at a pharmacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Why are you against it for recreational use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Cal may be the only one on here against legalizing weed The majority in Ohio want it legalized. The issue is the monopoly terms of the amendment - had they proposed an amendment that wasn't nonsensical it would pass with flying colors, despite the minority complaining about it. --- I support legalizing marijuana because: - It's less dangerous health-wise than alcohol - It has proven health benefits, in terms of relieving neurological pain and that sort of stuff - Pointless to charge somebody criminally for smoking or possessing it. - Boost the economy from higher junkfood/pizza sales? Concerns: - Inability for accurate sobriety tests (Urine/Blood tests test positive with THC for several weeks, there's no breath test, and a field sobriety test isn't always fair. Regardless somebody who is high should not be driving, similar to how somebody who is drunk should not be driving - enforcability is questionable. - I've known people who are dependent on marijuana "Oh it isn't addictive." Yes it is, I've known people who ran out of money before their next paycheck while buying $20-50/day in weed. Though likewise, people scrape up change for booze it. - Nothing else really I fully support legalizing it completely (Recreational and otherwise), but I'll probably vote against issue 3. Would like to see honest people who own property have a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Why are you against it for recreational use? I think it is a gateway drug. I don't see any good coming from it. I hate to think about having more impaired drivers on the road. I think a good compromise was to decriminalize possession in small amounts but not legalization. I have read from those with medical conditions that marijuana has helped with their condition and I would support that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 I think it is a gateway drug. I don't see any good coming from it. I hate to think about having more impaired drivers on the road. I think a good compromise was to decriminalize possession in small amounts but not legalization. I have read from those with medical conditions that marijuana has helped with their condition and I would support that. Then I imagine you're for making tobacco and alcohol illegal. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Then I imagine you're for making tobacco and alcohol illegal. Right? You have to draw a line somewhere. Should heroin and meth be legal as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 You have to draw a line somewhere. Should heroin and meth be legal as well? Apples and oranges. Pot is not on the same level as heroin or meth. I don't smoke pot but I certainly know that potheads aren't the ones trying to break into my garage to cover the cost of their habit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Apples and oranges. Pot is not on the same level as heroin or meth. I don't smoke pot but I certainly know that potheads aren't the ones trying to break into my garage to cover the cost of their habit. So legalize meth. Crime goes down and tax revenue really skyrockets. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 It wlll get approved, and I'm going to get high motha fukas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 I would support legalized marijuana only on condition the THC should be in liquid form or pill, prescribed by a doctor and dispensed at a pharmacy only. Why does inhaling it make it a deal-breaker for you? That seems pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 You have to draw a line somewhere. Should heroin and meth be legal as well? Meth and heroin have very real, very dangerous side effects. What reason do you have to ban weed but not alcohol or cigarettes? If you only have "well you have to ban something" as an argument, you have no argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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