WEED

[Westside Steve]

 

Something like ~80% of Ohioans support medical marijuana - including Cal.

 

Why the hell can't we get it on the ballot here in Ohio It would make any future recreational bill so much easier.

 

In 5-10 years I believe it will be legal everywhere federally and locally. The oligopoly that 3 would have established would have been gone after the first 4 years if I understand correctly anyway.

No idea. Hey if you think is the pharmaceutical companies are going to let it go in a few years so it can be bought and sold on the street... Well I say you are dreaming.

 

And if the dopers are happy to wait 5 or 10 years fine.

WSS

[Clevfan4life]

Maybe i'm wrong but isn't it working just fine in CO and WA without the pharma companies? And are the pharma companies even trying to get in on this?

No idea. Hey if you think is the pharmaceutical companies are going to let it go in a few years so it can be bought and sold on the street... Well I say you are dreaming.

And if the dopers are happy to wait 5 or 10 years fine.
WSS

 

[VaporTrail]

Maybe i'm wrong but isn't it working just fine in CO and WA without the pharma companies? And are the pharma companies even trying to get in on this?

 

 

I can't imagine that they aren't.

[Westside Steve]

Maybe i'm wrong but isn't it working just fine in CO and WA without the pharma companies? And are the pharma companies even trying to get in on this?

 

Recreational weed wasn't voted down in Colorado. It was voted down in Ohio.

 

Medical marijuana is still illegal in Ohio but some here think there may be a bill to make it legal.

 

Just think about it, if weed is legal for anyone who wants it what possible difference would medical marijuana make?

 

 

And if I need to make an example, if Pillbillies could go down to the gas station, corner bar or Walmart and buy oxy why would they need pain management clinics or prescriptions?

WSS

[bbedward]

The closest bet to legal recreational marijuana is the OTEP bill.

 

It's MUCH better than responsible ohio but people are doubting it can get the signatures and financial backing to get on the ballot next year, and they're probably right.

 

With OTEP medical marijuana patients pay no tax and can grow twice the plants (12 vs 6) and possess twice the amount (200g vs 100g). Not sure what other benefits there are to getting it medical.

[VaporTrail]

Recreational weed wasn't voted down in Colorado. It was voted down in Ohio.

 

Medical marijuana is still illegal in Ohio but some here think there may be a bill to make it legal.

 

Just think about it, if weed is legal for anyone who wants it what possible difference would medical marijuana make?

 

 

And if I need to make an example, if Pillbillies could go down to the gas station, corner bar or Walmart and buy oxy why would they need pain management clinics or prescriptions?

WSS

 

Colorado voted down marijuana in 06.

[PoeticG]

What could have been an unusually sunny and warm Autumn day of jubilation and freedom...

... again turns into the all too well known Factory of Sadness. Scare Tactics, confusion, and deceit again won the day for... you know, I won't even say who. I don't care. Liberal, democrat, Republican, conservative... It's all horseshit. This is America. Don't you remember? United we stand - Divided we fall. It's really that simple. The people have been split, we're 'humpty dumpty' and we can't or we won't, I can't decide, allow ourselves to be put back together again. There is just too much difference now-a-days to stay unified. I used to want to grow up, become president and save the world... I don't think I care anymore.

Very few go to the Army to fight for freedom, they go to pay for the shit college they say we must have to make more money.

Very few on the Homefront would stand up for freedom if it was being beaten in front of their face.

I understand the 'monopoly' bullshit, I really do. It sucked but it would have been a start. That's the burn...

Today there would have been hope. Today wouldn't have been perfect, but today would have been something. Marijuana prohibition is bad, it's been bad since the 20's. The war on drugs is a complete failure, specifically on Marijuana. It's funny the harder they fight it the more it wins. It's because they PROCLAIM! It's so bad for you at the same breath swearing they've never done it. Then if that's the case they are either 'ill-informed' or straight faced lying. Then you try it anyways. You realize that they are feeding you garbage. Then you wonder what else they are lying about... let's try this now... they created the 'gateway' mentality or myth.

Yeah, it's probably going to be legal someday. But, not today. Today the police will still kick in some doors, rob otherwise law abiding citizens of their freedom and destroy a few more lives. Today a sick human being will be denied their decent human decency on how to spend their last few days. They have to decide to stay in pain or be labeled a criminal.
Today, we continue to fund black market operations and sink our money into unknown endeavors. Whereas someone could have gotten the clean and homegrown and taxed product in the safety of legalization, now must resort to consorting with dangerous situations. Some "drug dealers" aren't your hippies in long hair and conspiracies, they are dangerous and highly suspicious individuals whom also dabble in harder and more unsavory substances.

What bothers me is this... Over ONE MILLION people voted for a BOLD PRINTED MONOPOLY. This tells me just how 'out of touch' this country's 'leaders' are with it's people. I'm sorry, but if a 1/3 of the people desire something and you deny them their RIGHT to have that thing, then something is truly wrong.

I don't want to hear about needing any more money for schools, fire-department or police. Road construction and development should be fine. We must be getting plenty of money from the Monopoly the casinos have then. Ohio could have drafted a bill that allowed farmers to grow and sell the industrial hemp, which is a cash cow.

Wiki. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp

United States

Hemp was made illegal to grow without a permit in the U.S. under the Controlled Substances Act passed in 1970 because of its relation to marijuana,[6] and any imported hemp products must meet a zero tolerance level.[citation needed] Some states have made the cultivation of industrial hemp legal, but farmers in North Dakota, Hawaii, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Oregon, California, Montana, West Virginia and Vermont have not yet begun to grow it because of resistance from the federal Drug Enforcement Administration.[citation needed] In 2013, after the legalization of marijuana in the state, several farmers in Colorado planted and harvested several acres of hemp, bringing in the first hemp crop in the United States in over half a century.[83] Colorado,[84] Vermont, California, and North Dakota have passed laws enabling hemp licensure. All four states are waiting for permission to grow hemp from the DEA. Currently,[85] North Dakota representatives are pursuing legal measures to force DEA approval.[86] Oregon has licensed industrial hemp as of August 2009.[87] Congress included a provision in the Agricultural Act of 2014 that allowed colleges and state agencies to grow and conduct research on hemp in states where it is legal.[6]

 

 

Anyway, we dropped the ball, thanks Ohio.

 

Was this bill perfect? Of course not. But it was a start that would have made them take notice and set precedence, that 'we're mad as hell and we're not gonna take it anymore'. Then a new bill benefiting all could have manifested. Right now, they see it only as a majority that we don't want legalization.

 

Maybe the majority did vote they want it illegal but not representing the 3rd of voters want it legalized should be a crime in and of itself.

[The Cysko Kid]

Pog is sad.

[The Cysko Kid]

Even weed supporters elsewhere knew this was a bad deal.

[bbedward]

Even weed supporters elsewhere knew this was a bad deal.

Weed supporters here knew it was a bad deal - it was matter of weighing the good and bad.

 

Ohio voters were very loud with their NO on this one. A reasonable bill would have had way more than 35% support.

[calfoxwc]

what a crock of fermented cabbage.

 

The main group behind issue three.... was way well funded.

About 13 MILLION bucks.

 

But the people of Ohio knew better. It was a very bad bill.

What IS sad, P0G, is that those who COULD have put up a medical

pot bill for the sake of those who need it...

 

didn't. Instead, they went for broke and wanted it for themselves.

 

Your pot goal was selfish. that is basically why it failed. And, you have no idea how many

young men and women enlist to serve our country, so STFU about that.

 

All that blather because you and yours didn't get your "free stuff" you wanted.

[bbedward]

Instead, they went for broke and wanted it for themselves.

 

 

I....I...*clears throat* agree.

 

Ohio is pretty split with recreational marijuana even if it was a fair, non controversial proposal that didn't lock us within our borders and to 10 growers. Even a reasonable bill (like OTEP) may have failed had it made the ballot, though it would have been much closer.

 

Ohio is NOT split on medical marijuana, 80/20 in favor. A medical only bill would pass with flying colors.

 

After medical passed we would have had an easier time passing recreational in the future.

 

RO foolishly went for the home run, while creating the controversial and confusing oligopoly, while ignoring hemp, while being strict on the consumer 4-plant option, while prohibiting any marijuana to be imported medical or otherwise - all had to come from the 10 farms.

 

A medical bill would have at least gotten us closer...RO has set us back more than anything.

 

I guess it isn't too surprising Ohio voters blew it up with a whopping 65% rejection.

[calfoxwc]

http://crescent-news.com/ohio%20statehouse/2015/10/11/poll-show-strong-support-for-medical-marijuana-use

[hoorta]

What could have been an unusually sunny and warm Autumn day of jubilation and freedom...

 

... again turns into the all too well known Factory of Sadness. Scare Tactics, confusion, and deceit again won the day for... you know, I won't even say who. I don't care. Liberal, democrat, Republican, conservative... It's all horseshit. This is America. Don't you remember? United we stand - Divided we fall. It's really that simple. The people have been split, we're 'humpty dumpty' and we can't or we won't, I can't decide, allow ourselves to be put back together again. There is just too much difference now-a-days to stay unified. I used to want to grow up, become president and save the world... I don't think I care anymore.

 

Today there would have been hope. Today wouldn't have been perfect, but today would have been something. Marijuana prohibition is bad, it's been bad since the 20's. The war on drugs is a complete failure, specifically on Marijuana. It's funny the harder they fight it the more it wins. It's because they PROCLAIM! It's so bad for you at the same breath swearing they've never done it. Then if that's the case they are either 'ill-informed' or straight faced lying. Then you try it anyways. You realize that they are feeding you garbage. Then you wonder what else they are lying about... let's try this now... they created the 'gateway' mentality or myth.

 

Yeah, it's probably going to be legal someday. But, not today. Today the police will still kick in some doors, rob otherwise law abiding citizens of their freedom and destroy a few more lives. Today a sick human being will be denied their decent human decency on how to spend their last few days. They have to decide to stay in pain or be labeled a criminal.

Today, we continue to fund black market operations and sink our money into unknown endeavors. Whereas someone could have gotten the clean and homegrown and taxed product in the safety of legalization, now must resort to consorting with dangerous situations. Some "drug dealers" aren't your hippies in long hair and conspiracies, they are dangerous and highly suspicious individuals whom also dabble in harder and more unsavory substances.

 

What bothers me is this... Over ONE MILLION people voted for a BOLD PRINTED MONOPOLY. This tells me just how 'out of touch' this country's 'leaders' are with it's people. I'm sorry, but if a 1/3 of the people desire something and you deny them their RIGHT to have that thing, then something is truly wrong.

Was this bill perfect? Of course not. But it was a start that would have made them take notice and set precedence, that 'we're mad as hell and we're not gonna take it anymore'. Then a new bill benefiting all could have manifested. Right now, they see it only as a majority that we don't want legalization.

 

Maybe the majority did vote they want it illegal but not representing the 3rd of voters want it legalized should be a crime in and of itself.

 

PG, the only people that are going to get their doors kicked in are those selling mass quantities. And that's on the Federal, not State level.

Nope, the majority of the people that voted no Didn't want to give 10 big buck investors exclusive control.

So your right to smoke is being infringed? How bout the oxycontin folks that need the stuff or heroin addicts. I want it, it should be legal.

Suggestion- if you need the recreational stuff move to Colorado, and bring about $10 grand with you to support your needs.

Please don't be naive. Legal pot isn't going to stamp out the Black Market- just as legal restricted drugs hasn't stopped the underground market in the same.

 

Weed supporters here knew it was a bad deal - it was matter of weighing the good and bad.

 

Ohio voters were very loud with their NO on this one. A reasonable bill would have had way more than 35% support.

 

The well- something is better than nothing crowd isn't listening.

[blowe]

My friend told me he voted against issue 3 as we sparked a joint together. Lots and lots of people hated the way this bill was put forth.

[Clevfan4life]

The closest bet to legal recreational marijuana is the OTEP bill.

 

It's MUCH better than responsible ohio but people are doubting it can get the signatures and financial backing to get on the ballot next year, and they're probably right.

 

With OTEP medical marijuana patients pay no tax and can grow twice the plants (12 vs 6) and possess twice the amount (200g vs 100g). Not sure what other benefits there are to getting it medical.

 

i'll sign that shit

[Manzier]

Making weed legal helps nobody but the producers. Anyone who wants to get high already does. Its already very available and very affordable. The plan to legalize it here would only raise prices and diminish supply. I dont know who it would help but big business. Because the smokers already have what they need. Big business prisons are happy as hell though. They were sweating bullets about how they would get enough prisoners to keep the cells full. Problem solved.

[gftChris]

Making weed legal helps nobody but the producers. Anyone who wants to get high already does. Its already very available and very affordable. The plan to legalize it here would only raise prices and diminish supply. I dont know who it would help but big business. Because the smokers already have what they need. Big business prisons are happy as hell though. They were sweating bullets about how they would get enough prisoners to keep the cells full. Problem solved.

Forgetting the point that there's no reason for it to be illegal, making it legal - without the monopolies associated with this bill - would help control the quality, would *lower* the price (mass produced shit = lower price), would raise tax money, would mean far less stress on the judicial system, would keep money out of the hands of the bad guys growing and distributing it, it goes on and on.

[mohican]

Not a joker, toker, or midnight smoker but I'd vote for a straight up "weed is legal for all those over age 18" bill. No special taxes, carve outs, tenopolies, or notes from your doctor, mom, or priest.

 

1. Upon passage, marijuana is legal for use in the state of Ohio for people over 18 years of age.

2. There will be no distinctions between recreational and medical use.

3. Any person can grow it on their property.

4. Any person in Ohio jails, prisons, or other types of correctional facilities that are imprisoned for previous marijuana charges - if no other crime was committed these people will be released upon passage of this bill. (this would have to be for state/county/local charges)

 

if one wanted to treat Ohio as a true state and not a glorified county of 'Murrica the following could be added:

5. Because marijuana is not mentioned in the Constitution For These United States, per the tenth amendment to the Constitution no laws against its usage will be enforced.

[hoorta]

I....I...*clears throat* agree.

 

Ohio is pretty split with recreational marijuana even if it was a fair, non controversial proposal that didn't lock us within our borders and to 10 growers. Even a reasonable bill (like OTEP) may have failed had it made the ballot, though it would have been much closer.

 

Ohio is NOT split on medical marijuana, 80/20 in favor. A medical only bill would pass with flying colors.

 

After medical passed we would have had an easier time passing recreational in the future.

 

RO foolishly went for the home run, while creating the controversial and confusing oligopoly, while ignoring hemp, while being strict on the consumer 4-plant option, while prohibiting any marijuana to be imported medical or otherwise - all had to come from the 10 farms.

 

A medical bill would have at least gotten us closer...RO has set us back more than anything.

 

I guess it isn't too surprising Ohio voters blew it up with a whopping 65% rejection.

 

This is directed to PG https://www.facebook.com/legalizeoh2016/ Looks like even those who really want pot legal saw this was a bad way to get it legalized.

SENSIBLE Ohio just said "no" to ten investment groups making billions of profit on their $20 million investment. I'm surprised even more people didn't want to shell out a million or so to get in on the chance for a 1,000%+ return on their money. Per reports RO has immediately gone back to the drawing board. It will be interesting to see what they come up with.

 

My friend told me he voted against issue 3 as we sparked a joint together. Lots and lots of people hated the way this bill was put forth.

 

^ this. Seems if you want to smoke, there's ways to obtain the stuff. Did Sisky kill himself? He's been mighty quiet in the last couple of days. He shouldn't be too disappointed, as the Ohio Legislature is going to start research on what other medical marijuana states have done, and come up with a bill- I'd guess as soon as next year.

[Manzier]

Forgetting the point that there's no reason for it to be illegal, making it legal - without the monopolies associated with this bill - would help control the quality, would *lower* the price (mass produced shit = lower price), would raise tax money, would mean far less stress on the judicial system, would keep money out of the hands of the bad guys growing and distributing it, it goes on and on.

Prices are WAY above street prices in Colorado and Washington. WAY above. Almost ridiculous. And I believe it is no stress on the judicial system because they want as many customers as they can get. That is why America leads the world in how many people are imprisoned. They LIKE keeping those mega prisons full and functional. The only reason they are considering legalizing is they see a way to obtain more money for themselves and big business.

 

And I was being a bit sarcastic. There are good reason to legalize. My main point is that they will only legalize it when it benefits big $ and government. NOT because they think its the rigt thing to do or because they want to appease stoners. And, like I said, the stoners are already stoned. Its not as if they have abstained upto this point.

 

Most of the "bad guys" are now just regular people growing and distributing on a small scale. The big cartel type producers in moved onto coke and heroine a long time ago.

[hoorta]

Prices are WAY above street prices in Colorado and Washington. WAY above. Almost ridiculous. And I believe it is no stress on the judicial system because they want as many customers as they can get. That is why America leads the world in how many people are imprisoned. They LIKE keeping those mega prisons full and functional. The only reason they are considering legalizing is they see a way to obtain more money for themselves and big business.

 

And I was being a bit sarcastic. There are good reason to legalize. My main point is that they will only legalize it when it benefits big $ and government. NOT because they think its the rigt thing to do or because they want to appease stoners. And, like I said, the stoners are already stoned. Its not as if they have abstained upto this point.

 

Most of the "bad guys" are now just regular people growing and distributing on a small scale. The big cartel type producers in moved onto coke and heroine a long time ago.

 

LOL, now what did I say earlier about street guys undercutting the legal stores? Not hard to do when some places in Colorado are charging $400 an ounce.

[PoeticG]

You would not have HAD to buy anything. You could have grown your own. For those who mostly drink and would like to switch it up a few nights a month, this issue 3 would have been perfect. For those that are tired of giving away their hard earned cash for basic pain relief and stress relief, able to grow their own supply and not worry about the law, this bill would have been great.

 

In Ohio right now it's completely illegal. The State cannot do any research on it because Federal won't allow it. There is 0 infrastructure here for the precise growing/cultivation that needs to be done for medical reasons. Medical testing facilities are not going to be cheap. All the benefits that come from legalization are too numerous to list.

 

Legalization for recreation would be a huge step for Ohio. But what I'm far more concerned with and eager for is the Hemp Industrial Applications. Man, there are so many things that can be done with it. Hempcrete, bio-fuels, textiles, clothing, rope and many other things can start to be created and harvested besides the medicine.

 

That is the part of the bill that I had trouble with. I want any farmer that wants to grow this to be able to do so. Hemp has been instrumental in the forming of this country.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VakzRI8-hl4

 

Quit acting like everyone that wants Marijuana legalized is just because they want to get high. There are more important things in this life than getting high or making money. It's about freedom from oppression. Educate yourselves before you jump at stereotypes.

[Westside Steve]

https://www.coloradopotguide.com/colorado-marijuana-blog/2015/april/09/marijuana-prices-in-denver-and-colorado-spring-2015-update/

[PoeticG]

Well, that certainly places a cork in that argument.

[bbedward]

I thought RO's bill did nothing with hemp?

 

Growing 4 plants is about 20oz yield if you do it right (many wouldn't), 1 plant dies they all die, about 6 months to mature.

 

I think it should have been more like 6 plants, 4 may have kept you going to the dispensary if you were an active user.

[hoorta]

In Ohio right now it's completely illegal. The State cannot do any research on it because Federal won't allow it. There is 0 infrastructure here for the precise growing/cultivation that needs to be done for medical reasons. Medical testing facilities are not going to be cheap. All the benefits that come from legalization are too numerous to list.

 

Quit acting like everyone that wants Marijuana legalized is just because they want to get high. There are more important things in this life than getting high or making money. It's about freedom from oppression. Educate yourselves before you jump at stereotypes.

 

You're already oppressed in more ways than you can imagine PG. Uncle Sam taxes the hell out of you if you're lucky enough to have a job. I think speed limits should be 80, so why does the damn Highway Patrol say I can only drive 70? Damn near everything that can get you high is illegal. I think mescaline and psylocybin give you a nice buzz too, so am I any more "oppressed" because the Feds say those are no-nos?

 

RE: Fed won't allow it. Wrong PG- there have been studies done, with more coming.

 

RE: Why it would have been perfect. Wrong again. Saner heads saw It was 10 wealthy investors cooking up a scheme to get insanely rich running a de facto monopoly written into the State Constitution- and in case you don't know it- that's mighty hard to change. I posted the FaceBook link where even those in favor said it was a BAD bill, and even NORML was only lukewarm in their support.

[PoeticG]

If I did say that I didn't mean to say it. I hate that Bill. Weed and Hemp should be able to grow it just like sunflowers. Just like corn or wheat. I hate that it only allows those few to largely profit, but make no mistake- many others would also profit. I was just trying to say that there are some benefits worthy of a yes vote.

It was far from perfect, but once the dogs were called off, so to speak, then real discussions and ideas could have been discussed. As it stands now, they still treat the minority as stereotypes or criminals. The criminal aspect that is used for control and as a cheap scapegoat for the law to strip citizens of their God given rights, to grow or do as they would like without the government taking away their choice in life.

It's no different than discrimination. It is a creed to me, my belief in God, and I believe that he's made this plant for human-beings to use.

[Westside Steve]

http://ra.sanduskyregister.com/news/government/9460576

[calfoxwc]

I take it, that the main reason for legalizing pot...is so that a whole lot of potheads

could grow it and sell it.

 

$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

figures.