Westside Steve Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 And specifically what is our role in the region? They have a very valuable commodity that the rest of the world needs and is paying through the nose for. Since they're backwater countries aren't capable of getting their shit together well enough the US and Europe step in. If it weren't for their shitbag dictators and religious freaks, using religion as an excuse, there's no reason these shitholes couldn't be beautiful. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Pyongyang = North Korea. I'm not defending ISIS. I'm defending my muslim friends the world over, who are as shocked and appalled by this as you and I are, who some people would happily exterminate simply because they're muslim. As far as I know nobody is calling for muslims to be exterminated. The most guilty of that would be other muslims. What I'm hearing is nobody wants to take them in and Gee whiz I wonder why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 nobody ever defended their actions, but what the more rational clear thinking people understood was what the west contributed to the rise of fundamentalist Islam. And it's 100% true. Historical facts are facts. Doesn't mean we need to play kiddy gloves with ISIS but not acknowledging our role in goatfucking that region is almost like an affront to god if there is a god. Like he's not going to look kindly on us for that. Bullshit in the highest order. Fundamentalist islam has existed before the west is what we are. Even the muslim "golden age" was built upon conquest and death. That's not a big deal to me. Every country was built on someone's bones. But acting as though we gave rise to fundamentalist islam is dangerously crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 When tens of thousands of innocent people are murdered, blown up or beheaded by North Koreans all over the globe I'd imagine we'll take a tougher stand against them. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 And specifically what is our role in the region? They have a very valuable commodity that the rest of the world needs and is paying through the nose for. Since they're backwater countries aren't capable of getting their shit together well enough the US and Europe step in. If it weren't for their shitbag dictators and religious freaks, using religion as an excuse, there's no reason these shitholes couldn't be beautiful. WSS so because they have a valuable commodity that gave us the right to meddle in their internal politics? Rewrite and redefine borders as we saw fit? If any foreign country were to try half of those things here you all would be in a mindless rage. I mean look what we did when our tea tax was just too gut damn high. Would any of you tolerate a continuous military presence in our country stretching back to the 30's and 40's? I mean it wasn't always the U.S but "foreign" is foreign. They had enough of it a long time ago so what could those people do but turn to their god? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Bullshit in the highest order. Fundamentalist islam has existed before the west is what we are. Even the muslim "golden age" was built upon conquest and death. That's not a big deal to me. Every country was built on someone's bones. But acting as though we gave rise to fundamentalist islam is dangerously crazy. I didn't say fundamentalist Islam didn't exist, of course that would be silly. But it wasn't uniformly distributed across the middle east, that's what a lot of us white skinned Charlie round eyes in this country don't understand. My father and his father both backpacked through parts of the middle east when they were 18. Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Algeria......wasn't like it is now but that was damn near a century ago...at least for my grandfather. They had a grand time. There was poverty and obviously places you might not want to go because of that poverty. But there was no seething hatred of westerners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Because people like you the world over are defending them like rabid dogs. By the time you realize how wrong you are to be their advocate and attempting to divert the blame onto christians it'll be too late in the game for you. Because while you want to stress we're not at war with islam, islam is at war with YOU Wow, you haven't grasped any of his points, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 so because they have a valuable commodity that gave us the right to meddle in their internal politics? Rewrite and redefine borders as we saw fit? If any foreign country were to try half of those things here you all would be in a mindless rage. I mean look what we did when our tea tax was just too gut damn high. Would any of you tolerate a continuous military presence in our country stretching back to the 30's and 40's? I mean it wasn't always the U.S but "foreign" is foreign. They had enough of it a long time ago so what could those people do but turn to their god? You can thank your buddies at the United Nations for redrawing borders. I've never heard you say so but I assume you are not among the group that says kick the UN out and quit, right? At any rate don't be naive. Valuable commodities always draw interest from more powerful and civilized nations. See cotton, France, England, United States, Civil War WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 so because they have a valuable commodity that gave us the right to meddle in their internal politics? Rewrite and redefine borders as we saw fit? If any foreign country were to try half of those things here you all would be in a mindless rage. I mean look what we did when our tea tax was just too gut damn high. Would any of you tolerate a continuous military presence in our country stretching back to the 30's and 40's? I mean it wasn't always the U.S but "foreign" is foreign. They had enough of it a long time ago so what could those people do but turn to their god? You can thank your buddies at the United Nations for redrawing borders. I've never heard you say so but I assume you are not among the group that says kick the UN out and quit, right? At any rate don't be naive. Valuable commodities always draw interest from more powerful and civilized nations. See cotton, France, England, United States, Civil War WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Wow, you haven't grasped any of his points, huh? Seems like you are having trouble grasping the one point that matters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Seems like you are having trouble grasping the one point that matters Yeah, the point of your PENIS! LOLBURN!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 At any rate don't be naive. Valuable commodities always draw interest from more powerful and civilized nations. See cotton, France, England, United States, Civil War WSS So it's morally right to have done we did in the middle east because of said valuable commodity? Then we really have zero right to complain that these people have finally had enough and are standing up for themselves right? Of course we do because of the way they're going about doing it. But it's really a bad mark on us that we let decades go by and our govt and associated corporate interests were fucking over nearly an entire continent for our capital gain. By your logic what right did we have to fight the british? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 uh oh, chris has thrown down the lolburn. Things could get out of hand now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 So it's morally right to have done we did in the middle east because of said valuable commodity? Then we really have zero right to complain that these people have finally had enough and are standing up for themselves right? Of course we do because of the way they're going about doing it. But it's really a bad mark on us that we let decades go by and our govt and associated corporate interests were fucking over nearly an entire continent for our capital gain. By your logic what right did we have to fight the british? I keep forgetting you are new to this forum. We fought the British because we could. What are you simple enough to believe that taxation without representation meant anything? The 1%, actually the .01%, was tired of writing a check to King George. They decided fuck him, and said come get that bitch. Well the 99% didn't give a shit and were whipped into a freedom frenzy. None of them really had a stake and it since most of them were spending all day trying to scratch enough food out of the ground to avoid starvation, they agreed to kill a bunch of colonialists and keep the sheet for themselves. Well not really for themselves for George Washington Thomas Jefferson etc etc etc. What did you think happened? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Oh yeah and the French and Spanish we're happy to stir the pot because they were actually world powers in those days and wanted a piece of the action. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Oh yeah and the French and Spanish we're happy to stir the pot because they were actually world powers in those days and wanted a piece of the action. WSS And to have the English engaged in another war elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 nobody ever defended their actions, but what the more rational clear thinking people understood was what the west contributed to the rise of fundamentalist Islam. And it's 100% true. Historical facts are facts. Doesn't mean we need to play kiddy gloves with ISIS but not acknowledging our role in goatfucking that region is almost like an affront to god if there is a god. Like he's not going to look kindly on us for that. Wrong. Muslims have been extreme since the beginning. Again, the crusades were a response to the multitude of attacks in Europe on Europeans by Muslims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 I keep forgetting you are new to this forum. We fought the British because we could. What are you simple enough to believe that taxation without representation meant anything? The 1%, actually the .01%, was tired of writing a check to King George. They decided fuck him, and said come get that bitch. Well the 99% didn't give a shit and were whipped into a freedom frenzy. None of them really had a stake and it since most of them were spending all day trying to scratch enough food out of the ground to avoid starvation, they agreed to kill a bunch of colonialists and keep the sheet for themselves. Well not really for themselves for George Washington Thomas Jefferson etc etc etc. What did you think happened? WSS I don't have any problem that the colonialists were able to get out from British rule. My point is that we've done worse in the middle east than what the British were doing to us. Far far far worse. What did we think was eventually going to happen? It's not like we didn't know they were mooslims, eventually they were going to become terrorists..resorting to guerilla style attacks on soft non military targets. Pretty much like every perpetually oppressed group has ever done in the history of man. But you reason that because they weren't strong enough to fend off western militaries that's it perfectly acceptable to have done what we've done. Well now we're paying for it, and we're going to pay a lot more. And there's really no way to stop it unless we enact a global military blockade of the middle east and pull all western interests out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 so because they have a valuable commodity that gave us the right to meddle in their internal politics? Rewrite and redefine borders as we saw fit? If any foreign country were to try half of those things here you all would be in a mindless rage. I mean look what we did when our tea tax was just too gut damn high. Would any of you tolerate a continuous military presence in our country stretching back to the 30's and 40's? I mean it wasn't always the U.S but "foreign" is foreign. They had enough of it a long time ago so what could those people do but turn to their god? No dipshit they entered ww1 and lost and collapsed. See Empire, Ottoman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Wrong. Muslims have been extreme since the beginning. Again, the crusades were a response to the multitude of attacks in Europe on Europeans by Muslims. The crusades were about reclaiming the holy land, no more no less. They weren't a response to anything except European Christians didn't like their old testament brothers running the holy land. It was a war between two fgt religions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 No dipshit they entered ww1 and lost and collapsed. See Empire, Ottoman. After Russia declared war on them....right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Last time I checked the Vatican was in Rome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Rule? Now that's funny. Meet the new boss, Cleve, same as the old boss. If anyone is oppressing these simpletons it's their own dictators and mullahs. As for choosing between Sandinistas and contras? Pick the scumbag that plays ball. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Rule? Now that's funny. Meet the new boss, Cleve, same as the old boss. If anyone is oppressing these simpletons it's their own dictators and mullahs. As for choosing between Sandinistas and contras? Pick the scumbag that plays ball. WSS And who was propping up the scumbags, dictators and mullahs? You're getting somewhere now keep going. Keep thinking this through, you could be at the cusp of a major intellectual breakthrough don't stop now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 . As for choosing between Sandinistas and contras? Pick the scumbag that plays ball. WSS but what did we gain from backing the Contras? Nicaragua's a shit hole. So we didn't like the lefty socialists running the country...I get it, that was the reason for all the insane bullshit we pulled in Central/South America. Frankly I was stunned that those people don't hate us more than they already kind of do after reading the shit we pulled there. I think we're lucky those people are Christians otherwise we'd have a continent full of muslim like people basically next door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 And who was propping up the scumbags, dictators and mullahs? You're getting somewhere now keep going. Keep thinking this through, you could be at the cusp of a major intellectual breakthrough don't stop now. Like I said prop up the one who plays ball. Of course when you are in charge, Pollyanna, you can go out into the world and find the pure and clean Middle Eastern shit hole to support. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 And as for your buddies, the Sandinistas, what is so saintly in particular about them? If all we did will send them, the Contras, a truckload of old arms that the Congress change their mind about months later. Dry your eyes little bitch. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 The crusades were about reclaiming the holy land, no more no less. They weren't a response to anything except European Christians didn't like their old testament brothers running the holy land. It was a war between two fgt religions. Wrong. It was originally in response to pleas from the byzantine empire to respond to repeated muslim attacks. You may or may not know but the Roman and therefore byzantine empires predated islam by quite a bit so it was never about muslims taking "thier" land back. What it morphed into was something different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Like I said prop up the one who plays ball. Of course when you are in charge, Pollyanna, you can go out into the world and find the pure and clean Middle Eastern shit hole to support. WSS what does that even mean? Why do we have "play ball" with pieces of shit anyway? You're not making your case well for decades of miserable U.S and western foreign policy. And it is literally too late now to fix anything, have to isolate the middle east militarily with all the major powers on board. Only way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Being that Christianity predated islam by almost a millenia islam really has no claim on any land. The reason it always becomes a religious attrition is because muslims are historically fighting not for countries but to spread islam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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