Bernie Sanders And Young People

[gftChris]

But I repeat you don't need a college degree to be an artist or a songwriter or singer or pop star.

However

Go ahead, government, give a four year free ride to engineers and Dr and have nothing to the poets and singers and actress.

Every single interest groups will demand equality. Title nine on a nationwide scale.

 

WSS

It's not full free rides, but if you're studying STEM subjects and train to be a teacher the government here pays your tuition and gives you a lump of money. We're short on science teachers and not art teachers.

 

Personally, I'd like to see pointless courses cut, and I'd like to see those that are more culture based - art history or whatever - become specialisations in history or art or the appropriate course, once you get to final year or postgrad. Plus the entry requirements raised. It's obviously unsustainable to just say 'free everything for everyone' but investing in important learning will pay off.

[gftChris]

Also, no idea what title nine is. To google...

[Clevfan4life]

This thinking keeps philosophy professors in a job.

 

you do know people in the past lived long happy lives prior to heart surgery yes? Not disparaging heart surgeons or think their profession is useless. But heart problems, especially at the astounding rate we now suffer from them, is direct product of our modern sedentary processed carb lives.

 

[gftChris]

 

you do know people in the past lived long happy lives prior to heart surgery yes? Not disparaging heart surgeons or think their profession is useless. But heart problems, especially at the astounding rate we now suffer from them, is direct product of our modern sedentary processed carb lives.

 

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[LogicIsForSquares]

 

you do know people in the past lived long happy lives prior to heart surgery yes? Not disparaging heart surgeons or think their profession is useless. But heart problems, especially at the astounding rate we now suffer from them, is direct product of our modern sedentary processed carb lives.

 

I don't know if I would say we lived long happy lives before modern surgical techniques. We likely just said "Paw Paw died of old age" or "it was just his time". It likely needed it but were too ignorant of the human body to know we needed it.

[LogicIsForSquares]

They diagnosed the first heart attack in 1912. I imagine people didn't live a ton of full lives prior to modern medicine.

[LogicIsForSquares]

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Oh is his mentioning that we lived wonderful long lives before modern medicine a push to mention a diet fad?

[The Cysko Kid]

The ultimate warrior died of a heart attack

[gftChris]

Oh is his mentioning that we lived wonderful long lives before modern medicine a push to mention a diet fad?

It just inevitably follows. I mean, there's a point there, that if we're up and active instead of sitting at a desk all day, and eating deep fried and processed shit instead of just meat/fruit/veg, we're a lot less healthy, that's for sure, and it applies to a lot of people in the US and UK.

[LogicIsForSquares]

It just inevitably follows. I mean, there's a point there, that if we're up and active instead of sitting at a desk all day, and eating deep fried and processed shit instead of just meat/fruit/veg, we're a lot less healthy, that's for sure, and it applies to a lot of people in the US and UK.

Yes but would you say that we had longer lives before modern medicine? People used to squat out lots of kids because they needed farmhands and presumed that a few of them would croak during childhood.

[Clevfan4life]

didn't Henry the second live to be well over 70 and was still going into battle well into his 50's and 60's? Maybe i'm thinking of a different Henry. Yes I know he was king of England and likely ate the very best nutrition that the empire could offer. But it was doable is what i'm saying. He wasn't being kept going through hormone replacement therapy or statins.

[Clevfan4life]

I don't know if I would say we lived long happy lives before modern surgical techniques. We likely just said "Paw Paw died of old age" or "it was just his time". It likely needed it but were too ignorant of the human body to know we needed it.

 

go back far enough and there's evidence we lived substantially longer lives than we do now. I dunno unless there was a different definition for what a "year" was....

[Clevfan4life]

Oh is his mentioning that we lived wonderful long lives before modern medicine a push to mention a diet fad?

 

the warrior diet is no fad. It's what nature meant for us. This is how all the animals in the animal kingdom eat. The constant influx of calories is what deprives us of hormone production. It's a medical fact that the human body does not produce GH in any substantial quantity while in a caloric surplus. You can look that up yourself. And there's a very good life saving reason it doesn't. But in a caloric deficit? Look at the % increase yourself...there's studies out there, lord google can find it for you in a nano sec.

[Clevfan4life]

man we're really OT now

[Erie Dawg]

Instead of trying to categorize degrees by importance why not try to put a cap on how much college costs. It is starting to be more cost effective long-term getting into a trade than getting a degree.

[gftChris]

Instead of trying to categorize degrees by importance why not try to put a cap on how much college costs. It is starting to be more cost effective long-term getting into a trade than getting a degree.

The cap should be zero. Or pretty damn close - like when a sixty year old tells you they paid their own way through college working a part time job flipping burgers, that kind of close to zero. let's see, $5 per hour, 10 hours per week, $50 times maybe 40 weeks, that's $2k. You've also got to feed and house yourself out of that, plus pay for any books and stationary.

[Clevfan4life]

Instead of trying to categorize degrees by importance why not try to put a cap on how much college costs. It is starting to be more cost effective long-term getting into a trade than getting a degree.

 

You have to understand that's telling college's how much they can charge for their services. That's outright communism to a republican. Not just socialism, Kremlin loving communism.

[Clevfan4life]

and bringing back the trade schools is an outstanding idea. Hell i'd consider going back at night to a trade school to learn some welding and machining or advanced woodworking. Excellent skills for any man to have. No kid should make it past 20 without some basic understanding of those skills....I don't care if his aspirations are in theoretical physics or interpretive modern dance.

 

Subsidizing skillsets that can't be outsourced is a win win for all of us.

[Erie Dawg]

The cap should be zero. Or pretty damn close - like when a sixty year old tells you they paid their own way through college working a part time job flipping burgers, that kind of close to zero. let's see, $5 per hour, 10 hours per week, $50 times maybe 40 weeks, that's $2k. You've also got to feed and house yourself out of that, plus pay for any books and stationary.

not sure what or where your going.

[Erie Dawg]

 

You have to understand that's telling college's how much they can charge for their services. That's outright communism to a republican. Not just socialism, Kremlin loving communism.

in a way. Do they have to force students to stay on campus in a 6x8 room for 1500 a month and require a food voucher. They can reduce the cost substantially of a degree and that's just a small aspect of price gouging.

[bbedward]

and bringing back the trade schools is an outstanding idea. Hell i'd consider going back at night to a trade school to learn some welding and machining or advanced woodworking. Excellent skills for any man to have. No kid should make it past 20 without some basic understanding of those skills....I don't care if his aspirations are in theoretical physics or interpretive modern dance.

 

Welding, machining, advanced word working I'm not sure I'd say required for everybody. Though they can make good careers - I know a 25-30 year (has been in the field 25-30 years) machinist who has a nice chunk of property, just built a huge (I mean literally like 10 car) garage, has a nice old restored dodge, a gt500, a f250, etc. Has made a very nice living working his way up at a machine shop. He's also been smart with his money, though.

 

Handyman stuff, definitely. I'm a software developer who does basically everything essential. Whether it be mechanical, plumbing, electrical, renovations, etc, etc.

 

Most of my generational peers are a bunch of pussies who call a plumber when their bath tub is clogged.

[Clevfan4life]

 

Welding, machining, advanced word working I'm not sure I'd say required for everybody. Though they can make good careers - I know a 25-30 year (has been in the field 25-30 years) machinist who has a nice chunk of property, just built a huge (I mean literally like 10 car) garage, has a nice old restored dodge, a gt500, a f250, etc. Has made a very nice living working his way up at a machine shop. He's also been smart with his money, though.

 

Handyman stuff, definitely. I'm a software developer who does basically everything essential. Whether it be mechanical, plumbing, electrical, renovations, etc, etc.

 

Most of my generational peers are a bunch of pussies who call a plumber when their bath tub is clogged.

 

I can do some of my own plumbing shit, but any electrical problems and i'm a hapless knob. My dad was a polymer physicist but he learned electrical work very early in his life in Germany before he went to engineering school. Ask me to hang a new lighting fixture and i'd probably short out the entire condo assoc.

 

[gftChris]

not sure what or where your going.

Time was, you could pay your way through college with a part time job, no loans, because tuition and other things were low enough to allow it. These days you can't do that, you have to take a loan.

 

[Clevfan4life]

in a way. Do they have to force students to stay on campus in a 6x8 room for 1500 a month and require a food voucher. They can reduce the cost substantially of a degree and that's just a small aspect of price gouging.

 

dude i'm completely with you. They are a complete ripoff. Unfortunately without a degree in this economy, you can't even get an interview for most non trade jobs. College's know this so they take us for a ride. Medical field pulls the same BS.

 

But just look at what they do to Obama when he mentions controlling medical costs. How dare that negro tell us we're gouging our customers, of course we're gouging our customers but how dare that colored boy bring it up.

 

[gftChris]

 

I can do some of my own plumbing shit, but any electrical problems and i'm a hapless knob. My dad was a polymer physicist but he learned electrical work very early in his life in Germany before he went to engineering school. Ask me to hang a new lighting fixture and i'd probably short out the entire condo assoc.

 

Here, any electrical work you do needs to be approved by a certified electrician, for your safety and others. It's probably a good thing, given the state of people's skills in these areas.

[bbedward]

Here, any electrical work you do needs to be approved by a certified electrician, for your safety and others. It's probably a good thing, given the state of people's skills in these areas.

 

What a bunch of pussies. Assuming they collect a fee to approve the work - it's probably more about that than safety.

[Clevfan4life]

Here, any electrical work you do needs to be approved by a certified electrician, for your safety and others. It's probably a good thing, given the state of people's skills in these areas.

 

You brits exhibit a bit of sense there. Ever seen pictures of line work in India? It makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up and im looking at a picture on the internet sitting 10's of thousands of miles away. But omg that shit is rigged.

 

[gftChris]

 

What a bunch of pussies. Assuming they collect a fee to approve the work - it's probably more about that than safety.

There's a fee, of course. But it's not outrageous, and I think it's just sensible, rather than a shakedown. Same for plumbing - if some dodgy bloke decides he wants to fit his own kitchen and causes a gas leak killing his family, or causing an explosion, that's a problem. If someone wants to re-wire the apartment and causes a fire in the block, that's a problem.

[The Cysko Kid]

Technically here you need to pull a permit to do any electrical work (almost any work really) and part of that process is inspection.

[Erie Dawg]

Time was, you could pay your way through college with a part time job, no loans, because tuition and other things were low enough to allow it. These days you can't do that, you have to take a loan.

 

invisioning

ok when you said 60 year old guy flipping burgers... I must have read something to fast IDK. I was envisioning a 60yo going to college and flipping burgers.