calfoxwc Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/columnist/bell/2016/08/18/joey-bosa-san-diego-chargers-holdout/88974824/ Bosa didn't want to play for the Chargers. His mother said she wished they had done an Eli Manning. I don't believe he wanted to play for the Browns, either. Forget him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Well that's not exactly the attitude I love to have on the Browns. WSS Who cares about attitude. We need guys that can play. We are not asking these guys to join a mission group, we are asking them to join a football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Who cares about attitude. We need guys that can play. We are not asking these guys to join a mission group, we are asking them to join a football team. To answer your questions number one I do number 2 we have no idea whether he can play professional football or not. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 To answer your questions number one I do number 2 we have no idea whether he can play professional football or not. WSS Well, I do care what their attitude is toward playing football. I don't care if their attitude is "screw the other team that didn't take care of me"...if he is willing to play for the Browns.....and yes, play well for the Browns. Of course, the deal is that no one knows whether a person can really play Professional football or not. Look at the Browns first round picks since 2011: Phil TAylor Trent Richardson Brandon Weeden Barkevious Mingo Justin Gilbert Johnny Manziel Danny Shelton Cam Erving Except for Taylor who gave some good years, a pretty fair pile of crapola. Yes, we have hopes that Erving and Shelton perform up to their first round status....but that has yet to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Lets drop this thread if/when he comes free. Right now its stupid to talk about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Lets drop this thread if/when he comes free. Right now its stupid to talk about it. He won't come free until next years draft day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Well, I do care what their attitude is toward playing football. I don't care if their attitude is "screw the other team that didn't take care of me"...if he is willing to play for the Browns.....and yes, play well for the Browns. Of course, the deal is that no one knows whether a person can really play Professional football or not. Look at the Browns first round picks since 2011: Phil TAylor Trent Richardson Brandon Weeden Barkevious Mingo Justin Gilbert Johnny Manziel Danny Shelton Cam Erving Except for Taylor who gave some good years, a pretty fair pile of crapola. Yes, we have hopes that Erving and Shelton perform up to their first round status....but that has yet to happen. No idea what this has to do with Joey Bosa being somewhat of an asshole. Sounds like a classic me first guy. Don't know what we might want to give up to get him here to stink up our locker room. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 No idea what this has to do with Joey Bosa being somewhat of an asshole. Sounds like a classic me first guy. Don't know what we might want to give up to get him here to stink up our locker room. WSS exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 No idea what this has to do with Joey Bosa being somewhat of an asshole. Sounds like a classic me first guy. Don't know what we might want to give up to get him here to stink up our locker room. WSS Don't know what Joey Bosa being an asshole has to do with him being a good football player. Half the good football players in the league are assholes. A lot of assholes have rings. And the locker room would not be an issue. This deal is all about money. Every other player's attitude toward every other player in their locker room is: "Get all the money you can get". Don't talk about/mess with my money and I won't mess with yours. NFL don't care about that BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Don't know what Joey Bosa being an asshole has to do with him being a good football player. Half the good football players in the league are assholes. A lot of assholes have rings. And the locker room would not be an issue. This deal is all about money. Every other player's attitude toward every other player in their locker room is: "Get all the money you can get". Don't talk about/mess with my money and I won't mess with yours. NFL don't care about that BS. Only difference is in this case, he's never played a down in the NFL so he might be awesome or he might suck. No one knows and the fact that he's not going to be playing anytime soon because he wants $18 million now instead of $14.5 million right now makes him seem like a selfish asshole and it will be an issue in the locker room if/when he ever shows up to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Tell you what Gipper you can ride that train forever. If asshole behavior doesn't bother you that's your choice pal. He can hold out and wait for next year's draft for all I give a shit. I also don't give a shit if the Chargers pay him a king's ransom and he sucks. (or goes to the hall of fame for that matter) WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 asswhole players tend to have to change teams... the lockerroom and/or fo/coaches can't put up with em forever. Better to get your locker room in order and your players all on the same page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 So on one hand we have a small group of people saying - A) Joey is asking for what every other 3rd overall pick since the CBA and after this year will receive across the league. NOT this 'in line with every other Chargers player' bullshit. Every 3rd overall pick. An opinion backed by many league analysts, observes, players, their Union and also the recent stingy ass history of the Chargers ownership. B ) This other group saying Joey is 'me only' and not a team player or an asshole for failing to sign a contract that NO other 3rd overall pick has previously agreed to. So.... that about right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Tell you what Gipper you can ride that train forever. If asshole behavior doesn't bother you that's your choice pal. He can hold out and wait for next year's draft for all I give a shit. I also don't give a shit if the Chargers pay him a king's ransom and he sucks. (or goes to the hall of fame for that matter) WSS We have had our share of assholes on the Browns, behaviorily. Honestly, as far as Browns players are concerned, I am only concerned that they play well. The better they play, the less of an asshole they are, fair to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 or they don't GET to play because they are SUSPENDED, and they stink up the lockerroom, and fail to show up for practices, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 So on one hand we have a small group of people saying - A) Joey is asking for what every other 3rd overall pick since the CBA and after this year will receive across the league. NOT this 'in line with every other Chargers player' bullshit. Every 3rd overall pick. An opinion backed by many league analysts, observes, players, their Union and also the recent stingy ass history of the Chargers ownership. B ) This other group saying Joey is 'me only' and not a team player or an asshole for failing to sign a contract that NO other 3rd overall pick has previously agreed to. So.... that about right? Yep that about sums it up. The feeling out here is that in order to negotiate though, both sides have to give on something. The Chargers started at offering like 50% of the signing bonus now and the rest later, Bosa says no I want 100%. The Chargers come up to 85% now and the rest later and Bosa says fuck you I want 100% now. Its going to cost him money now and if he truly sits out the year, theres no fucking way he goes in the top 3 next year so was this really a smart decision? NFL careers are not that long for the most part, is he really willing to give up 1 of those years over what really amounts to about $400k that he would earn in interest getting 100% now vs. 85%?? Fucking stupid if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Yep that about sums it up. The feeling out here is that in order to negotiate though, both sides have to give on something. The Chargers started at offering like 50% of the signing bonus now and the rest later, Bosa says no I want 100%. The Chargers come up to 85% now and the rest later and Bosa says fuck you I want 100% now. Its going to cost him money now and if he truly sits out the year, theres no fucking way he goes in the top 3 next year so was this really a smart decision? NFL careers are not that long for the most part, is he really willing to give up 1 of those years over what really amounts to about $400k that he would earn in interest getting 100% now vs. 85%?? Fucking stupid if you ask me. That's true but what should Bosa REALLY have to negotiate for? He wants what everyone else has gotten - nothing more, nothing less. He's 21 years old, say he sits out this entire year and gets redrafted next year. He'd still likely get at least 10 years out of his career. Personally, I'd rather 10 years with a franchise I wanted to play for than 11 years with a franchise that is just a pile of shit garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 That's true but what should Bosa REALLY have to negotiate for? He wants what everyone else has gotten - nothing more, nothing less. He's 21 years old, say he sits out this entire year and gets redrafted next year. He'd still likely get at least 10 years out of his career. Personally, I'd rather 10 years with a franchise I wanted to play for than 11 years with a franchise that is just a pile of shit garbage. But it's not like he's not getting all of that money. It's 400k in interest....you'd seriously throw away one year of your career over essentially pocket change when you're getting 14 million? And you won't get that same signing bonus next year. Sit out a year and he's not going in the top 3 in next years draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 But it's not like he's not getting all of that money. It's 400k in interest....you'd seriously throw away one year of your career over essentially pocket change when you're getting 14 million? And you won't get that same signing bonus next year. Sit out a year and he's not going in the top 3 in next years draft. I think it is also over the issue of offset language, is it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Either or, Gip... Both boil down to guaranteed amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 But it's not like he's not getting all of that money. It's 400k in interest....you'd seriously throw away one year of your career over essentially pocket change when you're getting 14 million? And you won't get that same signing bonus next year. Sit out a year and he's not going in the top 3 in next years draft. To me, its no longer about money. It's principle. Your employer is trying to lowball you from the moment you walk in the door - why would you stay there? There's 31 other employers that you can work for. Take your year, keep working out, and go to a different employer. Plus I fucking hate the Chargers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 To me, its no longer about money. It's principle. Your employer is trying to lowball you from the moment you walk in the door - why would you stay there? There's 31 other employers that you can work for. Take your year, keep working out, and go to a different employer. Plus I fucking hate the Chargers. ^^^this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Bosa really isnt in the wrong here when u look into this. We'll see how the year goes but if our olb'ers dont work out why not take a look at bosa if he re enters the draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 To me, its no longer about money. It's principle. Your employer is trying to lowball you from the moment you walk in the door - why would you stay there? There's 31 other employers that you can work for. Take your year, keep working out, and go to a different employer. Agree... What does the likely crop of edge rushers look like for 2017? Will Joey's draft status actually be hurt that much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 To me, its no longer about money. It's principle. Your employer is trying to lowball you from the moment you walk in the door - why would you stay there? There's 31 other employers that you can work for. Take your year, keep working out, and go to a different employer. Plus I fucking hate the Chargers. I always kind of like the Chargers....and I certainly don't want to see them move from SD. But they do have the reputation as a chintzy, disputatious organization. That is why Eli...and his dad, wanted nothing to do with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 he wants everything up front cuz he knows either 1): he's gonna lay down or 2): he's gonna bust worse that mandarich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 What does the likely crop of edge rushers look like for 2017? Will Joey's draft status actually be hurt that much? After scanning a couple sites, it looks like TAMU's Miles Garrett is about it for the consensus 1st round as of now. PFF does additionally mention a Tennessee kid, Derek Barnett. Rivals mentions both and adds a couple more... in one of the more confusingly laid out articles I've seen in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 he wants everything up front cuz he knows either 1): he's gonna lay down or 2): he's gonna bust worse that mandarich. U watched ohio st play while he was there right? So you saw that he didnt rely solely on his strength to get to the qb, right? Could you give the kid some credit for having an advanced skillset that was considered nfl quality before he even declared? I mean we just cut a guy that we made millions to for 4 years that doesnt have a fraction of bosa's pass rush toolset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 After scanning a couple sites, it looks like TAMU's Miles Garrett is about it for the consensus 1st round as of now. PFF does additionally mention a Tennessee kid, Derek Barnett. Rivals mentions both and adds a couple more... in one of the more confusingly laid out articles I've seen in a long time. He's the only one I know of right now. I figured I'd give it at least two weeks into the NFL regular season before I started getting excited for the draft. What can I say...Hue and RG3 are making me a little more optimistic than years past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren15 Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 He has signed his deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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