tiamat63 Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 If Myles is 270 then I'm Chinese. edit: Browns need to start throwing smoke and hyping Kizer otherwise nobody will trade up to the #1 spot. As much as I like Allen, he isn't a franchise QB and that's about all the first pick is reserved for save maybe a LT or pass rusher on rare occasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 If Myles is 270 then I'm Chinese. edit: Browns need to start throwing smoke and hyping Kizer otherwise nobody will trade up to the #1 spot. As much as I like Allen, he isn't a franchise QB and that's about all the first pick is reserved for save maybe a LT or pass rusher on rare occasion. Agree on all counts. Of course some will complain about the trade back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 If Myles is 270 then I'm Chinese. edit: Browns need to start throwing smoke and hyping Kizer otherwise nobody will trade up to the #1 spot. As much as I like Allen, he isn't a franchise QB and that's about all the first pick is reserved for save maybe a LT or pass rusher on rare occasion. Apart from Clowney in 2014? He's playing the same position as Allen unless I'm mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 Myles was listed at 262, last time I checked, but I'm always skeptical about "college stats". The real numbers come from the NFL combine, but I CAN tell you that Myles is BIG. Very big, and very fast. In a recent article, Myles said he expects to run a "4.5 40 yard dash." That time, for a DE/OLB who is 6'5 and 262, is near mythical. I would expect something closer to 4.65, which is STILL absurd. The best thing about Myles is that he's not a one-trick pony, as he excels against the run as well. We lock up Collins through contract or tag, draft Myles, and all of the sudden our front 7 is starting to come together. I'm not so sure we can get an entirely new secondary in one offseason, but we need to try. LOL I like Ogbah, and I want him to play well. Unfortunately, we needed him to make a big play in the second half and he didn't do it. Nobody really did, so it wasn't just him. Forced fumble, strip sack...SOMETHING. We needed SOMETHING to stop the prolific bleeding, and nobody could do it. Nassib again displayed his ability to get hands on balls, but true to form, our defense couldn't pick any of the deflections off. That's the kind of thing our defense NEEDS, and just doesn't get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 Apart from Clowney in 2014? He's playing the same position as Allen unless I'm mistaken. Believe he's at OLB. Regardless, he definitely slotted into the "pass rusher" category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 Believe he's at OLB. Regardless, he definitely slotted into the "pass rusher" category. Same as Garrett, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 I have to look at some more in depth video on garrett but what little ive seen is that he kind of disappears a bit when a tackle gets his hands on him. Just looking at run d i havent seen him command the edge like a certain someone we all know who. I do t want a pure edge rusher. Im tired of browns pass rushers getting pushed around tje edge. I want guys that trim the edge with power. If garett can do that, fine. I havent seen it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 For your viewing pleasure, here is Jonathan Allen versus Tennessee from 23rd October this year: And here is Myles Garrett vs Tennessee from a couple weeks earlier: In both cases they are working against left tackle Brett Kendrick, a red shirt freshman (3*), and left guard Jashon Robertson (3*). Enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 Ill have to watch that when i get home today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 For your viewing pleasure, here is Jonathan Allen versus Tennessee from 23rd October this year: And here is Myles Garrett vs Tennessee from a couple weeks earlier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM7BW7PwKH0 In both cases they are working against left tackle Brett Kendrick, a red shirt freshman (3*), and left guard Jashon Robertson (3*). Enjoy. However, it was in the 1st Q against Ark. 2 weeks before that the cheap shot occurred which kept MG from even going to the S.C. game and after Tenn. & Bama, the NMSt. game (where he was not suited and wore a boot brace this past Sat.). He admitted after Tenn. he was playing at "65-70%". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 Apart from Clowney in 2014? He's playing the same position as Allen unless I'm mistaken. There are surprisingly few #1 overall DEs in the Super Bowl era: Clowney (2014), Mario Williams (2006), Courtney Brown (2000), Bruce Smith (1985), Lee Roy Selmon (1976), Ed Jones (1974), John Matuszak (1973), and Bubba Smith (1967). Interestingly there are no OLBs to add to the list. Believe he's at OLB. Regardless, he definitely slotted into the "pass rusher" category. Officially, yes, Texans list Clowney at OLB... but he works out of a three-point much more often than not. I have to look at some more in depth video on garrett but what little ive seen is that he kind of disappears a bit when a tackle gets his hands on him. Just looking at run d i havent seen him command the edge like a certain someone we all know who. I do t want a pure edge rusher. Im tired of browns pass rushers getting pushed around tje edge. I want guys that trim the edge with power. If garett can do that, fine. I havent seen it yet. I've seen pure edge speed rushes, stacks and the occasional inside spin. My impression is that he is not authorized to freelance, but is playing a role that does not include him pinning his ears back and getting to the QB by any means available in every passing situation. Maybe one of more ardent Aggie-backers can comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 However, it was in the 1st Q against Ark. 2 weeks before that the cheap shot occurred which kept MG from even going to the S.C. game and after Tenn. & Bama, the NMSt. game (where he was not suited and wore a boot brace this past Sat.). He admitted after Tenn. he was playing at "65-70%". Easy there fanboi, these things are known and can be taken into account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 Easy there fanboi, these things are known and can be taken into account. Tim Williams looked like the better pass rusher in the Bama tape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 Apart from Clowney in 2014? He's playing the same position as Allen unless I'm mistaken. Not really even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 There are surprisingly few #1 overall DEs in the Super Bowl era: Clowney (2014), Mario Williams (2006), Courtney Brown (2000), Bruce Smith (1985), Lee Roy Selmon (1976), Ed Jones (1974), John Matuszak (1973), and Bubba Smith (1967). Interestingly there are no OLBs to add to the list. Officially, yes, Texans list Clowney at OLB... but he works out of a three-point much more often than not. I've seen pure edge speed rushes, stacks and the occasional inside spin. My impression is that he is not authorized to freelance, but is playing a role that does not include him pinning his ears back and getting to the QB by any means available in every passing situation. Maybe one of more ardent Aggie-backers can comment. I asked a similar question and I'm curious to see if the response will be about the same this time around from our resident Aggies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 I asked a similar question and I'm curious to see if the response will be about the same this time around from our resident Aggies. Not a Texan fan so I rarely watch them. I just know he is having a better year after fully healing and that is without JJ on the field. But I don't even know how they line him up most plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 I asked a similar question and I'm curious to see if the response will be about the same this time around from our resident Aggies. The question is whether he freelances or not? I couldn't tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 Not a Texan fan so I rarely watch them. I just know he is having a better year after fully healing and that is without JJ on the field. But I don't even know how they line him up most plays. Question was not about Clowney... was about Garrett. Please try to keep up, Pops... I've seen pure edge speed rushes, stacks and the occasional inside spin. My impression is that (Garrett) is not authorized to freelance, but is playing a role that does not include him pinning his ears back and getting to the QB by any means available in every passing situation. Maybe one of more ardent Aggie-backers can comment. The question is whether he freelances or not? I couldn't tell you. Do you agree with the repertoire I describe? Seen him stack and contain as much as anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 Contain, yes. Depends on what you mean by "stack." You mean at end in a 3-man front with a LB stacked behind him? I believe he does that. The stack LB isn't always there but he has been in a lot of three man fronts, so if that's what matters, yes, he's done that a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 Was this supposed to be one of Garretts best games? I mean it wasn't horrible at all but i didn't see must have first pick talent. It backed up my earlier assessment...he's a fluid natural athlete but he's not exceptionally strong nor does he exhibit some next level skillset. He could be the next sack king in the NFL who knows, but he doesnt show anythign right now that I absolutely have to have first pick no matter what. Allen's kind of the same, reminds me of Ogbah actually. Not College Ogbah though. Allen is further along now than Og was. But same kind of build. Allen looks alot more powerful than Garrett,but similiar skill level. Both will need work. Not sure they're day 1 material. For your viewing pleasure, here is Jonathan Allen versus Tennessee from 23rd October this year: And here is Myles Garrett vs Tennessee from a couple weeks earlier: In both cases they are working against left tackle Brett Kendrick, a red shirt freshman (3*), and left guard Jashon Robertson (3*). Enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 Again, he was hurt against Tennessee. He got hurt against Arkansas. Didn't travel to South Carolina the following week. Then played against UT but it wasn't very many plays at all. If you want to see where he was good in that game you can go to OT. He is Chet Stedman'ing out there (in grueling pain), but with the game on the line he went all out. However, he is still injured, putting an asterisk on the Alabama game and again putting him on the bench against NMSU. It doesn't mean he's injury-prone as this is all from the same injury. He can play on it. It's just painful. Watch the UCLA or Auburn games and if you don't like what you see, fine. PFF was the biggest defender of your boy Bosa. Last year, Garrett was rated their number 2 pass rusher behind Bosa. This year, on limited snaps, I believe he's number 1, number 1 edge player overall, and with high enough grades against the run for them to commend it most weeks. I'm not obsessed with the guy, but not a day 1 talent? Come on. 6'5", 260, 4.55 3 year starters will always be day 1 talents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 Contain, yes. Depends on what you mean by "stack." You mean at end in a 3-man front with a LB stacked behind him? I believe he does that. The stack LB isn't always there but he has been in a lot of three man fronts, so if that's what matters, yes, he's done that a lot. I'm talking about squaring up on and controlling his OT... essentially not rushing, but at the ready to shed and pursue any QB move in his direction. Not sure they're day 1 material. Wait... What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 Yeah, he's done that all three years. You can probably find a ton of it in his 2014 tape (different DC that loves 3-man fronts, I'm enraged just thinking about it), though true freshman tape is pretty irrelevant by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 Was this supposed to be one of Garretts best games? I mean it wasn't horrible at all but i didn't see must have first pick talent. It backed up my earlier assessment...he's a fluid natural athlete but he's not exceptionally strong nor does he exhibit some next level skillset. He could be the next sack king in the NFL who knows, but he doesnt show anythign right now that I absolutely have to have first pick no matter what. Allen's kind of the same, reminds me of Ogbah actually. Not College Ogbah though. Allen is further along now than Og was. But same kind of build. Allen looks alot more powerful than Garrett,but similiar skill level. Both will need work. Not sure they're day 1 material. It was not - it was supposed to be the two guys going against the same competition, not Garrett vs Trump University and Allen vs NobodyGivesAShit State U. As said, Garrett was injured so it may be unfair, and there will probably be other opportunities to compare side by side like this when he's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 It was not - it was supposed to be the two guys going against the same competition, not Garrett vs Trump University and Allen vs NobodyGivesAShit State U. As said, Garrett was injured so it may be unfair, and there will probably be other opportunities to compare side by side like this when he's not. Yes they both have LSU left, Bama this week and A&M Thanksgiving night. Hopefully Garrett is 100% but we will have the tipoff when they play UT -San Antonio the week before. If he plays significant minutes while the game is stiil close, then he might be 100%, but if he rarely comes in or sits like he did against SC and NMST, then it's a season long nagging injury. Either way though, Tim Williams is the better Bama pure pass rusher IMO when you compare Williams and Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 We have tape on trump u's pass rushers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 We have tape on trump u's pass rushers? No tape. But they're the best pass rushers, they're really great, trust me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 Wait... What? Not as a starter. Depends on the team he goes to but from what ive seen i wouldnt take primary snaps away from og or nas right now in favor of garrett. If we do draft garett he's going to be competing with those two, orchard and collins for snaps. I should have clarified, not day 1 "starter" unless someone is injured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 No tape. But they're the best pass rushers, they're really great, trust me. Gotta move em up the draft board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 Not as a starter. Depends on the team he goes to but from what ive seen i wouldnt take primary snaps away from og or nas right now in favor of garrett. If we do draft garett he's going to be competing with those two, orchard and collins for snaps. I should have clarified, not day 1 "starter" unless someone is injured In the words of said Trump---------Believe me there is no one currently on the Browns team that will provide any competition to Garrett as a starter from day 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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