Tour2ma Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 With last nite's Carolina win, Philly's #1 rose to #7 overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 All the more reason this is the year I would be comfortable trading down that top 10... possibly top 5 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 Unless Trubisky is sitting there because Incompetent Left Coast GM disease struck Baalke (49ers) that night - causing him to take Kizer.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Will a Rams win against the 49ers move Philly up a notch? (sos ?) ...no trading down this year. Pick a couple of REALLY good players. please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Philly pick looking good, but that damn 2nd rounder from the saggy Tits (Conklin uufff!!) is looking like a trade up situation to firm them bad boys up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 With Phillys pick in the first round we should get two blue choppers in the first rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco918 Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 With Phillys pick in the first round we should get two blue choppers in the first rd. I'd prefer blue chippers personally, but to each their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 With last nite's Carolina win, Philly's #1 rose to #7 overall. You sure? It might be #8 (SOS) but that's OK. If the Eagles lose out it could be as high as #5. When the Chargers beat the Browns it moves up another spot assuming the Iggles lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownPile Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Could be #7 or could be #12. Giants need to win out and Dallas lose out to win division. So, pretty good chance they beat Philly this week. If Dallas beats Detroit this week, they win division and have home field throughout playoffs. Do they protect starters in last road game at Philly? So, Philly win. At 6-10, Philly pick might be 12th. Do Browns use both picks or trade one of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Do Browns use both picks or trade one of them? The big question will be if these yahoos trade out of both. After all don't we need to draft 4 QBs this year (one for each new wr in 2016). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 The Philly pick is definitely looking good, but I can't see them losing the next two for some reason. Wentz wasn't very impressive on Sunday, but that drive to potentially win the game was outstanding. Kessler had a similar chance against the Redskins when we were down 7, and he threw his first awful ball of the game and Norman made him pay. I think that was pretty much the only chance Cody had to lead a game-winning/tying drive, and I think at THAT time, many of us believed he'd have another this season. So far, I can't think of one. Eagles play the Giants this weekend, and that Giants team is just plain weird to me. They look awful at times, and then they look good. They can look awful and good in the same GAME. That being said, they certainly win more than they lose, so we'll see. The thought of us having the #1 pick and also another in the top ten is baffling. I went back a few years and looked at some examples of players that could've been drafted at #1 and in the top ten, and the results were terrifying. Basically, the review of picks confirmed what we already know: There are no such things as a sure fire pick. Not even at #1. I'll start at 2013 to give an idea of what I'm talking about: 2013 Draft #1 pick was Eric Fisher for the Chiefs. Ouch. I haven't followed Fisher TOO much, but I'm pretty sure he has not lived up to his #1 draft status. I could be wrong, but I want to say the Chiefs started using him at Guard because he wasn't cutting it at Tackle. Again, I could be getting him mixed up with another highly drafted OL, but I THINK Fisher has struggled. Generally, taking a Tackle at #1 overall is considered "the safest pick" in many people's minds, but that's not always the case. Can you IMAGINE how pissed you'd be as a fan? You want some more awful picks? Man, check out the rest of the TOP TEN in the draft (in order after Fisher). Luke Joekel, OT - Jags: As a rookie, he played only 5 games at RT before suffering a season ending ankle injury. In 2014, he was rated as "one of the worst tackles in the NFL", and was responsible for 8 sacks. He was later moved to Guard. (Jesus!) Dion Jordan, DE - Fins: Played all 16 games as a rookie, and has been suspended just about every game since. Had a knee injury, and wasn't even activated in 2016. (Damn!) Ezekiel Ansah, DE - Lions: FINALLY, a productive draft pick. For those of you counting at home, it took FIVE PICKS before somebody got a winner. How TERRIFYING is that? Ansah had 8 sacks as a rookie, 7.5, then 14.5!!, then only ONE this year as he battled injury. Barkevious Mingo, DE - Browns: I hate you. Jonathan Cooper, OT - Cardinals: You know the story. We could possibly extract some use from this guy, and I'm cautiously optimistic. He's physical, and he's desperate. Fingers crossed...(however, he's still yet another bust in top ten!!) Tavan Austin, WR - Rams: Eh...definitely a capable play-maker, but I wouldn't say he's lived up to his lofty draft status. He has 12 career receiving TD's, and never had more than 477 receiving yards in a season. Eh... Dee Mlliner, CB - Jets: Injuries sent him out of the league after 2014. Another top ten bust (yikes! Scared yet?) Chance Womack, G - Titans: Nothing special, Titans declined his option year I believe. Guys, I don't have the time to go through the next drafts, but WOW WOW WOW. People may say that the 2013 draft was simply an anomaly, but it just goes to show you that there are no givens in a draft...even in the top ten, AND even if you just hope to get a "serviceable starter". Obviously, a team wants A LOT more than THAT with a top ten pick, but there's no guarantee. Not even close. 2014 appears to be better (in the top 10), but you can still find two busts without looking too hard. And yes, one of those is Justin Gilbert (naturally). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Fischer has finally started to play like a 1st rounder if not a #1 overall. KC is happy anyway... You sure? Heard it on TV and read it on the internet... so it must be true... Giants need to win out and Dallas lose out to win division. So, pretty good chance they beat Philly this week. It's PHI's finale vs. da 'Boys I worry about. Rivals or not, I can see DAL mailing it in and resting their starters for much, if not all, of the game. Of course DAL's backups may be enough when they include Romo and McFadden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 I'd prefer blue chippers personally, but to each their own.Lol oops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 giants need the game tomorrow night but it's a division rival and seen the gints choke too many times here to say auto chalk it up as a win. if that pick falls anywhere in the top ten i'm happy. use the number 1 pick on trubisky then let the phone calls begin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 so would a chargers win move philly up a spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 so then what say u ????????? do u want anchovies on that pizza whats more important to ya ? a win ? or a higher pick that we may blow anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyceRolls Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 I'll take the win....really don't want to join the Lions as the only two 0-16 teams in NFL history. Maybe I wouldn't care if I didn't live in the Steeler capital of Ohio.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 I'll take the win....really don't want to join the Lions as the only two 0-16 teams in NFL history. Maybe I wouldn't care if I didn't live in the Steeler capital of Ohio.... I hear ya. As bad as 1-15 is, it's not the historical bad of Winless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 this franchise has been HISTORICALLY bad since it's reinception. maybe the 'it has been written so it shall be done' needs to happen before the eyes and ears of the owner and future owners know their place is and what their legacy means to such a storied frnchise. i want wins too but not at the cost of a player who might be the one to turn it all around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 use the number 1 pick on trubisky then let the phone calls begin. Uh, think you have that confused with cat-calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 One win. We still get Allen or Garrett, no big deal. Better than being the worst you could possibly ever be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 There's a part of me that says one win and the second pick would actually be a blessing. The stress and pressure of the first pick is extreme. Like you said, we're still getting an ABSURD talent at #2, AND we wouldn't be 0-16. Allen certainly fits with our scheme, although I'm quite certain we could find a use for Garrett, LOL. I remember people wondering how Joey Bosa would fit into a 3-4 defense (heck, I was one of them). Apparently, that problem is nonexistent. Bosa is having the best rookie season of any pass rusher in the past dozen years or maybe longer. No...we didn't want him I guess. *sigh* Ogbah has at least been playing better, and I'd LOVE for him to get 3 more sacks during these last games. Rivers can get rid of the ball quickly, and he's NOT the kind of guy you want to blitz, but he's also slow. Cmon Ogbah! We also got Coleman in the draft, but I wouldn't expect much out of him. Griffin can't get him the ball, the field will be frozen, and good luck trying to complete a deep ball. It'll be another 3 catch day for around 20 yards. Each catch probably coming on that quick hitter, hoping that Coleman breaks 47 tackles for a first down. I'd love to know just what our team's plans are for the QB position. I've been hearing a reoccurring theme lately from fans and from a couple writers, and that's to draft a QB super early, AND trade for a veteran such as Garoppolo or even Glennon. I'm not sure that I agree with that, but I can understand it. Basically, put as many bullets into the gun as possible and see which one fires. Problem with that is, we have SO MANY other needs, we can't really afford to invest that heavily in ONE position. Right now, we really don't have any idea how the QB's will be rated. The rankings always change in the months leading up to the draft, unless you have a Luck or Winston declaring. Heck, I've seen Watson in the 2nd round, and I've seen him in the top ten. If someone put a gun to my head and made me guess, I'd say that Kizer's arrow will begin to point upward, and he'll gather momentum. Teams will fall in love with his build, his arm, and his combine results. They'll say that Notre Dame was such a shit show, he did the best anybody could. Mitch will slightly tail off because of his lack of starting experience, and he'll be the second QB taken. Watson will still go in the first, but won't be top ten. Mitch makes quick decisions and fires an accurate ball. Picking at #2, Chip Kelly will have a hard time passing on Mitch, but I think he will. Problem is, the Bears and Jets still need a QB, and they both pick before our Eagles pick. Wish we knew the price of trading for Garoppolo...that's where I'm leaning right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 PFFFTTTT!!!!! this browns team is the worst, everyone knows it, so WTF? who gives a shit, really in the big scheme? who gives a friggin fuck. number one pick. take it. use it. scared is no way to go thru life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 Well this top 10 pick is going up in smoke pretty fast. Philly 14-0 in 5 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 Well this top 10 pick is going up in smoke pretty fast. Philly 14-0 in 5 minutes. Yup, watched it all. Manning played like Mud Hen. Pick 6 another int, and errant deep throws Wentz outplayed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 Yep, remember that franchise QB the Browns always want to chase? Wouldn't you know the one they didn't chase is him. That was supposed to be one of the best defenses in the league hungry to stay in the chase with the Cowboys. All in THE PLAN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 Yep, remember that franchise QB the Browns always want to chase? Wouldn't you know the one they didn't chase is him. That was supposed to be one of the best defenses in the league hungry to stay in the chase with the Cowboys. All in THE PLAN. ...and he completed 13/24 passes for ~150 yards, a touchdown and a pick. Shredded that D, clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 I think it matters more in the player we take with that pick and not what number for draft position. 8 or 12 doesn't really matter if you can't evaluate and pick talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 ...and he completed 13/24 passes for ~150 yards, a touchdown and a pick. Shredded that D, clearly. against the gints and their D on a nationally televised game? better than what we got or have had in decades. still like wentz. he will be their guy for 15 years. the browns?,,,,?,,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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