wargograw Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 Erving is at least improving. Until the trajectory turns back downward, why not keep riding the wave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillmotion Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 he's improving but he set the bar at an all time low with his play before the past few games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 Erving is at least improving. Until the trajectory turns back downward, why not keep riding the wave? I'm with you. I would not cut him yet. See how he does this last week and all preseason first. (But still draft a pure quality center or get a FA one) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 Have you actually watched him play recently or are you just going with what people on message boards say? Just to expand on what was said above, if this was end of year one I would be a lot more in your camp. The problem, his bad tape is still AWFUL. You can put lipstick on a pig but it isn't going to help that much in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 But the older his "bad tape" gets... the less relevant it is... I've no doubt Cam will be in camp next summer competing for his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 Tour, any chance you'd have the time to do some analysis of just Cam's last few games? It'd be so head-slapping stupid to see him succeed somewhere else just like our last hi-drafted OL starter misadventures [schwartz/mack]. I'm happy to withhold judgement and let his learning curve speak for itself.. the NFL is a job for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 Just to expand on what was said above, if this was end of year one I would be a lot more in your camp. The problem, his bad tape is still AWFUL. You can put lipstick on a pig but it isn't going to help that much in the end. I'm not debating it was a bad pick. It was. Year one, Erving was fat and didn't understand the offense. He came to camp this year in fantastic shape and this has essentially been his real rookie year....and he's shown progress. He will be contending for the starting job next season and there's a chance he wins it. We're not drafting 3 OL this year, as much as people on here want to shit themselves over it. Just ain't gonna happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 I'm not debating it was a bad pick. It was. Year one, Erving was fat and didn't understand the offense. He came to camp this year in fantastic shape and this has essentially been his real rookie year....and he's shown progress. He will be contending for the starting job next season and there's a chance he wins it. We're not drafting 3 OL this year, as much as people on here want to shit themselves over it. Just ain't gonna happen. I mean I don't disagree with that. All I'm saying is that OL just like a lot of areas (seen above) is one where we can easily stand to improve. I'd be fine taking such a dude in the 2nd round with the Titans pick in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDawg31 Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 So I heard on 92.3 today that Cam"turnstyle" Erving may be moving to right tackle this week. Is this his last audition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 So I heard on 92.3 today that Cam"turnstyle" Erving may be moving to right tackle this week. Is this his last audition? He is practicing at RT ... I guess the QB will get killed from a different angle instead of up the gut this week. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/12/cameron_erving_spends_time_at.html Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDawg31 Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 RT might be a good spot for Erving if we find a C in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 well....RT is his natural position, so it only makes sense to me.... The fact is, he only played 5 games at center in college....so to those that think it's his natural position....not so.... And the Browns.....who drafted a RT to play C..... then turned around and started him out at G are whacky doodle doo..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDawg31 Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 well....RT is his natural position, so it only makes sense to me.... The fact is, he only played 5 games at center in college....so to those that think it's his natural position....not so.... And the Browns.....who drafted a RT to play C..... then turned around and started him out at G are whacky doodle doo..... I'm wondering if Cam had to say hey guys do you know that I played LT in college? move him to RT and slide everyone else in one spot should work...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 He is practicing at RT ... I guess the QB will get killed from a different angle instead of up the gut this week. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/12/cameron_erving_spends_time_at.html Zombo Ha- some quotes... with appropriate editing.... Hue- "There are some things that he has done good (very few) and there are some things he needs to improve (sorry you can't admit he sucks out loud) at, but I am not down on Cam about this season." Next season is another story. Cam: "But when you have a tall center, those are the things that we focused on most of the season, just trying to make sure we minimized tripping over each other (or myself) and just making sure we stayed compact." So I pretty much admit I suck at center, and never mind when I wasn't getting driven back into the qb or missing blocks, I uncompacted blocking the wrong guy getting our qbs killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 Tour, any chance you'd have the time to do some analysis of just Cam's last few games? It'd be so head-slapping stupid to see him succeed somewhere else just like our last hi-drafted OL starter misadventures [schwartz/mack]. I'm happy to withhold judgement and let his learning curve speak for itself.. the NFL is a job for a reason. Sure... I graded the first 3/4's of the Cinci game... Cam was awful. Still have it on the DVR plus the SD game and will record this Sunday's finale. So I heard on 92.3 today that Cam"turnstyle" Erving may be moving to right tackle this week. Is this his last audition? Who's working at Center? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 well....RT is his natural position, so it only makes sense to me.... The fact is, he only played 5 games at center in college....so to those that think it's his natural position....not so.... And the Browns.....who drafted a RT to play C..... then turned around and started him out at G are whacky doodle doo..... lol... I sit here recalling all the prognosticators saying how he needed to move to C, his natural position, when was getting steamrolled at OG... And, no... he'll be awful at RT because he is awful in space. I've seen NTs fake him off balance. Speed rushers will eat him alive. All we're doing is trying to eliminate his post snap mental lapses so evident at C. I shudder to think what his pre-snap grade has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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