gumby73 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 seeing who he passed over to tab Ramczyk at #12. But, God, I still want Foster... even more with the threat of Cinci grabbing him. CAR does seem to me to be a plausible trade partner and even by the more expensive JJ chart a trade-up from 12 to 8 should start around something like: 1.08 <==> 1.12 + 3.Comp + 4.01 Carolina maybe the trade-up team.Their real need was a guy like any T named Ramczyk last season. But Foster maybe the back-up plan on a aging Thomas Davis. Luke's only back-up is AJ Klein.Soon to be a FA. Shaq Thompson proves they have a great LB coach. Simply don't see a QB run early that keeps Foster out top 5. but we got time & draft value to keep digging.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 It would only cost a third and fourth to move from 12 to 8? DO IT. I certainly would if Foster is there. But we know how our FO likes quantity over quality. But here are also a ton of really good CBs to chose from @ 12. I can live with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Foster seems to be that special of a player that would warrant that trade. but cb is deep, and you would be giving up a rock solid OG/C, and a good safety.... tough decisions, but the Browns finally have smart people to make them. I'm good with whatever they decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Compensatory picks have been added to the First-Pick draft game now. 12 picks. Round 1 Pick 1 Round 1 Pick 12 Round 2 Pick 1 Round 2 Pick 20 Round 3 Pick 1 Round 3 Pick 39 Round 4 Pick 1 Round 4 Pick 36 Round 5 Pick 1 Round 5 Pick 31 Round 5 Pick 34 Round 6 Pick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Compensatory picks have been added to the First-Pick draft game now. 12 picks. Round 1 Pick 1 Round 1 Pick 12 Round 2 Pick 1 Round 2 Pick 20 Round 3 Pick 1 Round 3 Pick 39 Round 4 Pick 1 Round 4 Pick 36 Round 5 Pick 1 Round 5 Pick 31 Round 5 Pick 34 Round 6 Pick 1 We already traded away the second 3rd rounder to NE for Jamie Collins and one of the 5th rounders for another trade we made so make sure you are aware of this. Otherwise, you'll be adding 2 guys in places other NFL teams will be selecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Well that's not good... Here's what I came up with anyways... Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+) Round 1 Pick 12: Reuben Foster, ILB, Alabama (A+) Round 2 Pick 1: Desmond King, CB/CB, Iowa ( Round 2 Pick 20: Tyler Orlosky, C, West Virginia (B+) Round 3 Pick 1: Patrick Mahomes, QB, Texas Tech (A) Round 3 Pick 39: Justin Evans, SS, Texas A&M (A+) Round 4 Pick 1: Jordan Willis, DE, Kansas State (A) Round 4 Pick 36: Daeshon Hall, DE, Texas A&M (B+) Round 5 Pick 1: Avery Gennesy, OG, Texas A&M (B-) Round 5 Pick 31: Ryan Switzer, WR, North Carolina (A) Round 5 Pick 34: Sam Rogers, FB, Virginia Tech (A+) Round 6 Pick 1: Freddie Stevenson, FB, Florida State (B-) Your Future Picks: 2018 Round 1 Pick 2019 Round 1 Pick I know, 2 FBs right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Excellent draft as usual, PoG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 "I'll give the credit to (South defensive coordinator) Gregg Williams, and the way he coached us this week and the mentality he instilled in us," South team defensive end Jordan Willis of Kansas State said. "I think everybody accepted his coaching style and ran with it, and that's why we played the way we played." So Jackson and Williams get their first victory of the year! That's a good sign. Here's a quote from Jordan Willis on Williams' coaching mentality, hope it carries over to the Browns as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Heard that with the Sr. Bowl win Hue's 2017 win total now equals his 2016's... Funny enough that I chuckled as I winced... It would only cost a third and fourth to move from 12 to 8? DO IT. Absolutely, but bear in mind it's only a reasonable opening bid per the most generous chart when trading down. Once word of CAR being open to move the pick gets out, the price will rise. Compensatory picks have been added to the First-Pick draft game now. 12 picks. Obviously based upon projections of awards that come out of a very complicated calculation that the NFL for some reason keeps secret. We already traded away the second 3rd rounder to NE for Jamie Collins and one of the 5th rounders for another trade we made so make sure you are aware of this. Otherwise, you'll be adding 2 guys in places other NFL teams will be selecting. Which I think the game is already reflecting since it only lists a single R3 comp and almost every projections has us receiving two. Oddly though it does not credit the Pats with the one they are due from us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Heard that with the Sr. Bowl win Hue's 2017 win total now equals his 2016's... He has won two out three with the only loss in OT. Only Belichick and Quinn have more steam. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnerLangford Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 I decided to give the Fanspeak simulator a try and this is what I got. In my opinion it fills most of our needs and adds a lot of players who could be contributors from Day 1 Round 1, Pick 1-Myles Garrett, EDGE, Texas A&M Round 1, Pick 12-Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama Round 2, Pick 1-Desmond King, CB, Iowa Round 2, Pick 20-DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame Round 3, Pick 1-Pat Elflein, OG, Ohio State Round 4, Pick 1-Ethan Pocic, C, LSU Round 4, Pick 36-Isaac Rochell, DT, Notre Dame Round 5, Pick 1-Zay Jones, WR, East Carolina Round 5, Pick 31-Obi Melifonwu, S, Connecticut Round 5, Pick 36-Skai Moore, LB, South Carolina Round 6, Pick 1-Pharaoh Brown, TE, Oregon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 King is said to be a fs in the pros, kizer isn't the qb I would draft anywhere, Zay and Obi will be long gone, in the third? round maybe... nah. Don't need a late DL, need a cb and a fs. It's just tough to do a mock this year, much less this early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyceRolls Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Not enough offensive linemen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 I really am interested in Obi, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Kizer will be gone by then I bet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 don't be starting new draft threads all over the place. Mock draft central please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Don't think this one's been posted yet, but I'm quite happy with it (in part because I'm getting ready to board the Mahomes train) http://nflmocks.com/2017/01/29/cleveland-browns-3-round-mock-draft/ 1. Garrett 2. Lattimore CB - OSU 3. McDowell DT - Michigan State 4. Mahomes QB - Texas Tech 5. Baker FS - Washington It fits with my opinion that we're only a QB away on offense but not to use a top top pick on one, and fills a lot of holes with instant starters on D, seriously upgrades the secondary and DL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 If we draft Mahomes in the second round, who would you want starting the season at QB? It'd be awesome if Mahomes grabbed the position early with superior play, but that's pretty rare. Assuming Mahomes needs time to develop, what do you see our starting QB situation looking like? Kessler? RG III? Possibly Tyrod Taylor? Here's where I think I am with our QB debacle (at least for today, LOL). I either want one of the top three candidates, or I want Jimmy Garappolo and/or Tyrod Taylor. I wouldn't mind seeing RG III, as he isn't that expensive, and I feel his injury to begin the season was a fluke and horrible luck. I'd also be on board trading for Garopplo and NOT drafting a QB at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 I like how you think chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 1. Garrett 2. Lattimore CB - OSU 3. McDowell DT - Michigan State 4. Mahomes QB - Texas Tech 5. Baker FS - Washington ************************************* That's pretty good, Chris, except the McDowell pick. The kid doesn't love football - imho, seems he is very talented, but attitude makes him seriously polarizing. He's dropping down draft boards. I'm coming around to Garrett - I have doubts about how stalwart he is vs the run... I tend to lean towards Allen, He is a trainwreck to offenses - not a very fast qb getter. Personally, I would love to find a terrific lb, or OT to add at the top of the second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKAllDay Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 lol in my dream last night we took Marlon Humphreys #1 hahaha Then we took Mike Williams at 12 How pissed would you guys be if that actually happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 There is no risk at all in taking Garrett. The second sentence make little sense. Not sure what you don't get. You need a player at a position. There is a quality player out there that position worthy of being taken. You don't take him, ergo, you have reached for that other player....even if he is equally or even higher rated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 1: R1P1 EDGE MYLES GARRETT TEXAS A&M 12: R1P12 LB REUBEN FOSTER ALABAMA 33: R2P1 TE O.J. HOWARD ALABAMA 52: R2P20 S EDDIE JACKSON ALABAMA 65: R3P1 CB JOURDAN LEWIS MICHIGAN 106: R4P1 C ETHAN POCIC LSU 141: R4P36 WR MALACHI DUPRE LSU 146: R5P1 DL TANOH KPASSAGNON VILLANOVA 176: R5P31 QB BRADY GUSTAFSON MONTANA 180: R5P35 RB COREY CLEMENT WISCONSIN 186: R6P1 WR SPEEDY NOIL TEXAS A&M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 If we draft Mahomes in the second round, who would you want starting the season at QB? It'd be awesome if Mahomes grabbed the position early with superior play, but that's pretty rare. Assuming Mahomes needs time to develop, what do you see our starting QB situation looking like? Kessler? RG III? Possibly Tyrod Taylor? Here's where I think I am with our QB debacle (at least for today, LOL). I either want one of the top three candidates, or I want Jimmy Garappolo and/or Tyrod Taylor. I wouldn't mind seeing RG III, as he isn't that expensive, and I feel his injury to begin the season was a fluke and horrible luck. I'd also be on board trading for Garopplo and NOT drafting a QB at all. If we draft Mahomes, I probably cut RG3. Could also cut McCown if that hasn't already happened though of the two, he'd be the one to get picked up by, say, the 49ers to back up their new QB. I don't think I want him starting day one, I think he makes too many risky decisions and would get baited into a whole lot of throws, especially against the defences within our division, but he's got a whole lot of potential. I know it's a small part, but his arm strength is phenomenal as it is, and his footwork is horrible. His pocket presence is pretty good from what I see, though he can sometimes take off a little too eagerly when he could just take a couple of steps and make a pass, but when he does take off, he keeps his eyes downfield, and is big enough (6'3", 230lbs) that he can take a hit. That's not to say none of that applies to other QBs in this draft, but if you're going to take a guy who's got to sit and learn for a year why take him high? I understand that 'high or not at all' approach and I'm usually fully behind it, just I keep seeing more and more I like from Mahomes. If we're going to be run first, having a relatively mobile QB that can make accurate and deep throws on the run allows us to really get in to heavy play action. RG3 can do it but can't necessarily do much else. Kessler can be the 'won't lose you games' QB to allow the team to grow into wins, and Mahomes could in a year or two come in and be the 'will win you games' QB (at which point we could also trade Kessler if he leads us to anything respectable like 7-9 or 8-8 in the meantime). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 1. Garrett 2. Lattimore CB - OSU 3. McDowell DT - Michigan State 4. Mahomes QB - Texas Tech 5. Baker FS - Washington ************************************* That's pretty good, Chris, except the McDowell pick. The kid doesn't love football - imho, seems he is very talented, but attitude makes him seriously polarizing. He's dropping down draft boards. I'm coming around to Garrett - I have doubts about how stalwart he is vs the run... I tend to lean towards Allen, He is a trainwreck to offenses - not a very fast qb getter. Personally, I would love to find a terrific lb, or OT to add at the top of the second. I can take or leave McDowell of those five picks, I agree, I could happily go for a new center instead. If the rest of the draft goes like that, we're in a position to make a 'luxury' pick - OJ Howard if he falls that far, or a top linebacker like you say. OT I'm not *so* concerned about. I think besides center, our OL is actually in pretty decent shape, and to be honest with Greco the floor and Reiter/Fabiano the ceiling, center might not be all that big of a problem as it is. Another corner wouldn't be the worst thing in the world either, given Haden's reliability issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 There is something seriously wrong over at Fan-Speak's sim. Don't think this one's been posted yet, but I'm quite happy with it (in part because I'm getting ready to board the Mahomes train) http://nflmocks.com/2017/01/29/cleveland-browns-3-round-mock-draft/ 3. McDowell DT - Michigan State The article speaks of McD starting beside Danny... I'm not sure they picked the correct side putting him at the 3-tech DT in the base 4-3. In nickle and dime? No doubt he can slide inside, but then Danny will normally be out of there. If we draft Mahomes, I probably cut RG3. Not seeing us cutting our winningest, 2016 QB who only had a four-and-a-piece game audition and finished with his best two outings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted February 2, 2017 Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 A new name on Bruglers latest at #12 http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-draft The more I think about corner at 12 the more I dislike it. It's probably the toughest position to play in the NFL right now with the rules so they'll have their struggles, id prefer to leave CB til the later rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 A new name on Bruglers latest at #12 http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-draft The more I think about corner at 12 the more I dislike it. It's probably the toughest position to play in the NFL right now with the rules so they'll have their struggles, id prefer to leave CB til the later rounds. Especially considering how deep the CB class is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 A new name on Bruglers latest at #12 http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-draft The more I think about corner at 12 the more I dislike it. It's probably the toughest position to play in the NFL right now with the rules so they'll have their struggles, id prefer to leave CB til the later rounds. The more I think about corner, the less I see it as a primary need. Also, the more I think about corner, the more I see it as a primary need. Let me explain. Haden and Taylor can play inside and out to a fairly high level. Boddy Calhoun can be a great slot guy and play outside in a pinch. In those three we have a lot of flexibility to mix up defensive looks, and with a top safety (hello Mr Hooker) it could be an effective secondary. On the flip side, Haden has been injured so much the last few yrars if you go in to the season relying on him you're a fool. Not quite Josh Gordon levels of foolishness, but still. Solution? Use the depth of corners in this draft to get a serviceable corner in the third round or so (Jackson would make me happy), and find a safety early on (Hooker or Adams) and go from there. Garrett Hooker (possibly have to trade up costing a second round pick...) Mahomes Jackson That'll do for a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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