D Bone Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 There's that HoF tag again...... Frickin' Gladiator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 There's that HoF tag again...... Frickin' Gladiator. Interestingly Garrett has been an introspective, somewhat shy person even in H.S., rarely known to speak about his own abilities. So when he makes a statement that he wants to be the best that ever played the game, I pay very close attention. Inwardly he has known his own goals for some time, but now he wants to go #1 and prove it was legit. I think he will give everything he's got for the Browns. He said he wanted to kill the combine and he did it. He was obviously not happy with his combine 40 time, so he ran it much better on pro day. He is competitive with his own inner standards and now he has let us know what that standard is, the best that ever played the game that wants to help deserving fans have a great team again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 The following reddit post struck as a really good, well expressed take on all the media swirling about Berea dissension over our choice at #1... anyway... it gave me some peace. I think its painfully obvious that this front office is locked down. Very rarely are any rumours actually leaked from our building. As others have stated, and we've witnessed, nobody heard about the blockbuster Osweiler trade until it actually went down. We also werent connected to any particular free agents. JC Tretter, Britt, and Zeitler were all "surprises". There may have been speculation about Zeitler due to the Hue Jackson connection, but nothing was leaked about our potential targets. Take the '16 NFL draft, the browns were not attached to any particular player. Only players that were believed to be "needs" for our roster. Nobody predicted us trading back twice and nabbing a WR with so many other holes on the roster. (Not saying the pick was bad, just that it was unusual given our team-needs at the time) What im trying to say is, the media knows NOTHING about the Browns situation at #1, and everything thats being reported is total speculation. The #1 pick will almost positively be Myles Garrett. The #12 pick is the more interesting one for all of us, and we could very easily trade back into the top 10 (Which I think is more realistic than trading the #1 rights to Myles Garrett) What we have here for this draft is a clear cut #1 player that could easily find himself in the hall of fame, and then #2-#32 is wildly varying and totally non-uniform in that nobody knows who will be available or who is a "lock" for any team or player. As in, teams picking 2-10, this year more than others, have more than one need that could be filled w/ the BPA. You have to take the clear cut #1 before anything else. My reply.... My reaction... two words... "spot on". And you did not even mention drafting Kess and three more WRs in 2016... four more, if you count Devalve. Who in the press was talking about any of those? The ability of our FO to be so tight-lipped pretty well fits with my organizational take... management by consensus. While there may be dozens of individuals participating in departmental evaluations, the consensus decision process only involves the top one or two from each department. So while staff, scouts, whomever may "talk" to reporters, they at best only know their Department's final "board". Different boards in different departments are more likely than not to emerge... even with a slam-dunk #1 prospect. Thus the reports of FO disagreement, which is easily pumped up to "conflict" for more clicks, can be true at one level, but completely false in the final result. The smaller group that does the consensing, and generate our final board and draft strategy, fully understand the importance of secrecy to their livelihood. Works for me... ... as does taking Garrett. Great post & I have been stating the same...that this FO leaks NOTHING! In less than 2 weeks, the truth will surface. Then we will know. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 Back on point take Garrett #1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 Great post & I have been stating the same...that this FO leaks NOTHING! In less than 2 weeks, the truth will surface. Then we will know. Yup... just wish it had been my post. It's not that it was revelatory, it's not. You and others, including me, have posted the sentiment. But for whatever reason my grip on the sentiment as a reality was slipping. That post brought me back... I just hope I can hold on for another 11.43 (estimated) days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 The Browns moved. The team AND the Franchise moved. Art Modell was welcomed as the owner of The Baltimore Browns. The Browns had no football for 5 years. Why was that? Because the fucking team was still in Cleveland but didn't want to play? ell me who was on the 1996 Cleveland Browns Team, IF the team didn't move? Idiotic discussion. You stayed up until 3:00 am just to type the same trash you've already typed a couple thousand times? You might want to find another hobby to go along with the crack pipe because this ain't working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 Yup... just wish it had been my post. It's not that it was revelatory, it's not. You and others, including me, have posted the sentiment. But for whatever reason my grip on the sentiment as a reality was slipping. That post brought me back... I just hope I can hold on for another 11.43 (estimated) days... AMEN! I feel like I did as a kid waiting for Christmas.....WHEN will it ever get here??? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 More words of wisdom from Terrry Pluto... Cleveland Browns have Terry Talkin' quarterbacks and more quarterbacks By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer on April 15, 2017 at 7:10 AM, updated April 15, 2017 at 7:13 AM CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Is it safer to pick someone other than a quarterback at No. 1 in the NFL Draft? The obvious answer is, "It depends what quarterbacks are available." I checked the last 20 years of drafts, and here is what happened to non-quarterbacks who were the top picks: Really interesting that you posted this(and that Terry wrote it)......I actually did this exercise just yesterday to see for myself who the top "non - qb" picked was.....the main difference is that I did not focus on the #1 overall specifically.....but on the highest non qb picked for every year.....why?.....because we all know QB's go #1, when they aren;t the top guy.....so I included those guys who were passed over and would have been considered #1 And the results were stunning.....the hit percentage was extremely high, compared to the balance of the draft.... I did this because Dbone and myself were debating trading back and I was trying to show that the top pick has a much higher percentage of scoring quality,. than trading back would have.....and it's not even debatable......taking the top player is a slam dunk compared to taking the 5th....10th....20th....etc..... How many players end up being pro bowlers in their careers?....about 7%.....how many end up being HOF?....about 1%.... Now....how many(non QB)top picks end up being pro-bowlers?.....HOW ABOUT 50%?!!!?.....HOF?......ALMOST 20% If you include players taken in the top 5.....the numbers are even higher..... And if you trade back.....say to #15?......the percentages drop drastically...... Here are interesting and extremely telling HOF stats..... There are exactly 98 players in the HOF that were selected in the first round....98 all time.... 78 of them were taken inside the top 10 picks.....freaking 78..... That says it all..... And if we trade back?.....how many were taken saaaaay at #15?(or later?).....14..... so.....14 great ones VS 78 great ones...... Yeah....lets trade back...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 Really interesting that you posted this(and that Terry wrote it)......I actually did this exercise just yesterday to see for myself who the top "non - qb" picked was.....the main difference is that I did not focus on the #1 overall specifically.....but on the highest non qb picked for every year.....why?.....because we all know QB's go #1, when they aren;t the top guy.....so I included those guys who were passed over and would have been considered #1 And the results were stunning.....the hit percentage was extremely high, compared to the balance of the draft.... I did this because Dbone and myself were debating trading back and I was trying to show that the top pick has a much higher percentage of scoring quality,. than trading back would have.....and it's not even debatable......taking the top player is a slam dunk compared to taking the 5th....10th....20th....etc..... How many players end up being pro bowlers in their careers?....about 7%.....how many end up being HOF?....about 1%.... Now....how many(non QB)top picks end up being pro-bowlers?.....HOW ABOUT 50%?!!!?.....HOF?......ALMOST 20% If you include players taken in the top 5.....the numbers are even higher..... And if you trade back.....say to #15?......the percentages drop drastically...... Here are interesting and extremely telling HOF stats..... There are exactly 98 players in the HOF that were selected in the first round....98 all time.... 78 of them were taken inside the top 10 picks.....freaking 78..... That says it all..... And if we trade back?.....how many were taken saaaaay at #15?(or later?).....14..... so.....14 great ones VS 78 great ones...... Yeah....lets trade back...... Good stuff... So did you tweet a link to Terry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 Tweet? Whats that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 It's what that cute little yellow bird says Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 e-mail? There was a addy atop the article... ... or you can borrow D's carrier pigeon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 The Browns moved. The team AND the Franchise moved. Art Modell was welcomed as the owner of The Baltimore Browns. The Browns had no football for 5 years. Why was that? Because the fucking team was still in Cleveland but didn't want to play? ell me who was on the 1996 Cleveland Browns Team, IF the team didn't move? Idiotic discussion. See what I mean about facts and accuracy? Any bunch of guys that get together to play on a pickup sandlot game can constitute a "team". When we played playground basketball we would have 5 players play together and play til like 21. Then we would choose up new sides and have a completely different group playing with me...and that was a team. A Team is simply a conglomeration of players at a particular moment in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 Here's what I think is happening right now... I really don't think we would draft a QB first overall this year. Everyone in our staff knows full well the statistics involving "overdrafting" a QB, and since we have another pick coming at #12, I don't see that being a viable option. The only reason we'd let anything like this latest rumor "slip" is to drum up SOME kind of trade interest. THAT'S what I think is going on here. We probably have about 6 players or so that we'd want with our first pick, so if we can trade down a LITTLE BIT and pick up another heavy asset, that's what we would like to do. If we can get teams drafting 2-6 to strike a deal with us, I really believe we'd do it. It might cost them a 2017 2nd rounder, or possibly a 2018 1st rounder. We want as many assets as possible in the 2018 draft because we know the QB class is likely to be stronger, perhaps MUCH stronger, than this year's. Do I have any proof? Nope. All I have is the previous history of our front office and coaches, and we almost ALWAYS trade back in the first round. What's different this year? Is Myles Garrett THAT much better than say...Solomon Thomas? Jamal Adams? Malik Hooker? What would you say if we could get Solomon Thomas AND the Bears 2018 1st rounder? Isn't that a deal you'd have to do? Or what if the Titans were absolutely in love with Myles Garrett, and they offered their #5 and $18 for the #1 overall? That would effectively give us numbers 5, 12, and 18 of the first round. THREE potential starters and impact players on ONE day. Downside? We don't get Myles Garrett, who could be the bee's knees. If the Titans deal went through, we'd get something like Malik Hooker, Derek Barnett, and Corey Davis (or possible QB). I honestly believe those of us who desperately want Myles Garrett can take a deep sigh of relief. The crazy trades I talked about have almost zero chance of happening. The Titans are a playoff team that got their hopes crushed by a terrible injury, and they get TWO first rounders. Can you imagine making the damn playoffs AND having two early picks in the first round? Jesus. They'd be FOOLS to trade up, and I don't see it happening. Only way it does is if the team somehow feels like they are "one special player away", and they absolutely MUST have Myles Garrett. Chances? About 3%. The Bears or 49's are probably both looking to trade DOWN to acquire more picks, so I don't see them listening to anything at all. If I had to guess, the Browns have been making phone calls about trading the #1 pick and were met with cold reception. We probably leaked the information that we're split on who to take at #1 to stimulate some trade talks, but it's doubtful it'll help. Our team covets draft picks like no other, so it's only normal that we're taking as much time as possible on the oft chance another team makes us an offer that we can't turn down. Additionally, I can't think of the last time where a defensive player was the consensus #1 prospect, and the team drafting first traded the pick. If there's a talented QB coming out, then sure, trades happen all of the time, but when was the last time the first pick was traded and a defender was taken #1? I can't remember a time, but I'm sure it's happened...right? My point is, our team probably WANTS to trade, but I don't think we'll be able to. I'm hoping Myles Garrett will be a Brown, and I'm hoping he's every bit as good on the field as he is in my dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 Well reasoned take... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 Quarterback at number 1? Hey look if the coaching staff and or the front office are convinced that Mitch trubisky will be coach Jackson's even Andy Dalton then you take him at number 1. If he doesn't think he's a franchise quarterback and they'd be happy to have any of the top three then that would suggest you just wait until the 3rd or the 4th and take Davis Webb or Chad Kelly. Or none. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 Quarterback at number 1? Hey look if the coaching staff and or the front office are convinced... FIFY... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 Quarterback at number 1? Hey look if the coaching staff and or the front office are convinced that Mitch trubisky will be coach Jackson's even Andy Dalton then you take him at number 1. If he doesn't think he's a franchise quarterback and they'd be happy to have any of the top three then that would suggest you just wait until the 3rd or the 4th and take Davis Webb or Chad Kelly. Or none. WSS Kelly won't go that high. He wasn't considered to go that high if healthy, and he just had some kind of surgery that could put him out the entire season. He might even go undrafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 FIFY... Well that would be the ideal situation but if it was only one or the other I prefer it to be the coach. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 Vegas odds on us trading out. Better than even we keep the pick, but not by a whole lot. http://www.sportsline.com/insiders/25798578/2017-nfl-draft-odds-say-browns-may-trade-no-1-overall-pick/?ttag=splnnlheadline204172017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 Well that would be the ideal situation but if it was only one or the other I prefer it to be the coach. Based on RG3 and Kess? Correction was because unanimity is the only way it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 18, 2017 Report Share Posted April 18, 2017 Based on RG3 and Kess? Correction was because unanimity is the only way it happens. Excellent point but I think he was rolling the dice on RG3 who really cost nothing. Neither did Kessler and we even probably drafted him a little high. We're talking about being sold on someone to the point that they would spend a number one. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 18, 2017 Report Share Posted April 18, 2017 And Haden is down with Myles... Joe Haden says Myles Garrett is his choice for first pick in NFL draft Haden's feelings on Garrett were evident to the point that he said once Garrett is taken first, what follows won't matter. "After number one, I'm good," Haden said. "They can just do whatever they gotta do." Haden, a two-time Pro Bowl cornerback, said he would be "super-excited" to see Garrett join the Browns' defense. His evaluation isn't on word of mouth. He follows the draft, and watches video of players. "Watching him on tape I just feel like he'll be an immediate impact player and I just feel like he'll be a guy that we could have rushing the passer for years to come," Haden said. Garrett compiled 32.5 sacks and 48.5 tackles for loss over the past three seasons for Texas A&M. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19186679/cleveland-browns-joe-haden-touts-myles-garrett-first-pick-draft Joe Haden, FGMA* _______________________________________________ * Future GMs of America Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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