Westside Steve Posted March 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2018 https://www.bigblueview.com/2018/3/25/17159150/7-round-mock-draft-what-if-sam-darnold-isnt-the-giants-no-1-qb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted March 25, 2018 Report Share Posted March 25, 2018 On 3/24/2018 at 7:53 AM, Flugel said: As I said previously, as much as I really like the top QB prospects they all have something to be concerned about. I won't have a tough time getting excited about Rosen, Darnold or Mayfield. That said, I'd need to revert back to my fraternity rules of attraction and power down somewhere between 6 and 12 beers in order to find Josh Allen to be an attractive choice. And Lamar Jackson might require some Maddog 20/20 or Moonshine... You need to raise your standards Tom. I recommend a bottle of Ag's favorite rum, Diplomatico Reserva. I have a bottle on hand in the liquor cabinet in the event of that unfortunate occurrence... I might even start hammering it if I hear Allen's name called when it's our turn. It's still a month away but (Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield) + Chubb may be cause to break out the champagne.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: hey that's the interview i was talking about where he looks like a dufus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 https://thebiglead.com/2018/03/27/jim-mora-josh-rosen-sam-darnold/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 47 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: https://thebiglead.com/2018/03/27/jim-mora-josh-rosen-sam-darnold/ Saw that.... what do you think Mora sees about NYG that makes him declare them the better fit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 22 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: Saw that.... what do you think Mora sees about NYG that makes him declare them the better fit? The words: New York. Whatever character flaws that Cal assesses to Rosen....rightly or wrongly, I do think that the desire to be in the spotlight in a big market is a primary motivation for Rosen.....having been just there in his time in LA. Being from the LA area.....he wants to be like Eva Gabor...and he thinks that coming to Cleveland to play football is like going to Hooterville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 The "spotlight" will be determined by level of play, not location. (See: James, LeBron) I don't think Mora is looking at the best fit in any way other than from a coach's perspective. NYG, behind Manning, is a far better style "fit" then CLE, behind TT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: The "spotlight" will be determined by level of play, not location. (See: James, LeBron) I don't think Mora is looking at the best fit in any way other than from a coach's perspective. NYG, behind Manning, is a far better style "fit" then CLE, behind TT. You might hope and think that would be true: style/fit/level of play. But you also have the illogical human factor. If a guy wants to go to a place...that is an illogical human factor in what he wants....or if he does not want to go to a place. (I kind of thought the Eva Gabor/Hooterville analogy was kind of clever). So, which of these QBs WOULD be a better fit for Cleveland...playing behind TT, based on fit/style of play etc.? And why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 I will say this: I think the two most famous examples of a player NOT wanting to go play somewhere had all to do with fit/comfort level: John Elway: His Dad had coached against Frank Kush....and he knew that he didn't want any part of Frank Kush for his son. Plus, maybe even more so....he did NOT want to play for the moronic, unpredictable, incompetent Robert Irsay organization. Eli Manning: His Dad did not want his son to have any part of the Chargers organization....not so much because of the owner or the coach, I don't think...but because of the GM.......whose name was Something Smith. Archie wanted Eli to have no part of that guy. And Archie was OK with Peyton going to play with Jim Irsay's team. So...yes, perhaps....I can see Rosen...and his "team" of advisors saying: You don't want any part of the Browns....and particularly Hue Jackson who is thisclose to being fired there. The coaching situation in Cleveland is too volatile.....so let's try to steer clear of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 12 minutes ago, The Gipper said: You might hope and think that would be true: style/fit/level of play. But you also have the illogical human factor. If a guy wants to go to a place...that is an illogical human factor in what he wants....or if he does not want to go to a place. (I kind of thought the Eva Gabor/Hooterville analogy was kind of clever). So, which of these QBs WOULD be a better fit for Cleveland...playing behind TT, based on fit/style of play etc.? And why? Facts not in evidence... especially in the case of clever... If TT's is the style you want to emulate, then Mayfield would be my choice... and it would not be close. Very careful, pocket-first passer, but great on the move and a threat to run off RPO action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 Of course you could go for a QB that emulates TT but I feel like if you go away from Rosen you lose your chance to unlock the full potential of Landry in this offense with his work on the shallow, intermediate and middle of the field game that TT and Mayfield aren't known for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, The Gipper said: I will say this: I think the two most famous examples of a player NOT wanting to go play somewhere had all to do with fit/comfort level: John Elway: His Dad had coached against Frank Kush....and he knew that he didn't want any part of Frank Kush for his son. Plus, maybe even more so....he did NOT want to play for the moronic, unpredictable, incompetent Robert Irsay organization. Eli Manning: His Dad did not want his son to have any part of the Chargers organization....not so much because of the owner or the coach, I don't think...but because of the GM.......whose name was Something Smith. Archie wanted Eli to have no part of that guy. And Archie was OK with Peyton going to play with Jim Irsay's team. So...yes, perhaps....I can see Rosen...and his "team" of advisors saying: You don't want any part of the Browns....and particularly Hue Jackson who is thisclose to being fired there. The coaching situation in Cleveland is too volatile.....so let's try to steer clear of that. Except there's nothing on record from Rosen to support the above and there's no instance where either Jim Mora, Sr. or Jr., crossed paths with any of the principals on the Browns staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: Facts not in evidence... especially in the case of clever... Is that because you are so enamored with Rosen that you refuse to hear a discouraging word about him? Even if it is a clever discouraging word? If TT's is the style you want to emulate, then Mayfield would be my choice... and it would not be close. Very careful, pocket-first passer, but great on the move and a threat to run off RPO action. And....the scuttlebutt is that Jimmy Haslam is going on and on and on about Mayfield....like he did with JFF.....so, perhaps there could be some owner intervention in the choice!!.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Tour2ma said: Saw that.... what do you think Mora sees about NYG that makes him declare them the better fit? The Giants really really want Rosen and are afraid we are going to take him and have handed Jim Mora a stack of cash under the table? 😉 WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: Except there's nothing on record from Rosen to support the above and there's no instance where either Jim Mora, Sr. or Jr., crossed paths with any of the principals on the Browns staff. Yes....it is all speculation. So What? That is what we do here a lot. Besides...there HAS been some smoke along those lines.....so it is not like I pulled the speculation that Rosen doesn't want to come to Cleveland out of my heinie. It has been a broad area of discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: Facts not in evidence... especially in the case of clever... If TT's is the style you want to emulate, then Mayfield would be my choice... and it would not be close. Very careful, pocket-first passer, but great on the move and a threat to run off RPO action. Beat me to it Tour, my thoughts exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Yes....it is all speculation. So What? That is what we do here a lot. Besides...there HAS been some smoke along those lines.....so it is not like I pulled the speculation that Rosen doesn't want to come to Cleveland out of my heinie. It has been a broad area of discussion. Well, if you are just going to make sh!t up you don't need to build a case... see below... 4 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: The Giants really really want Rosen and are afraid we are going to take him and have handed Jim Mora a stack of cash under the table? ... and that's how you do it... quick and clean... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, The Gipper said: And....the scuttlebutt is that Jimmy Haslam is going on and on and on about Mayfield....like he did with JFF.....so, perhaps there could be some owner intervention in the choice!!.. ... and that is how it's down as well. Especially given that Jimmah has been taking the QB tour with his boys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: Well, if you are just going to make sh!t up you don't need to build a case... see below... I didn't make it up.....I merely took what was already there and extrapolated. Besides...I am a lawyer...I always have to build a Case....even if I am related to John Deere (inside family joke) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 "You're not alone!" - Ziggy Jordan ZirmVerified account @clevezirm I've never understood the "highest ceiling" qualifier that gets attached to Josh Allen vs. these other QBs. like, is his ceiling hall of famer? otherwise, the ceilings of Rosen and Darnold feel just as high, and they're better right this second 8:22 AM - 26 Mar 2018 8 Retweets 37 Likes New conversation Ryan McCrystalVerified account @Ryan_McCrystal Mar 26 Replying to @clevezirm I also think it’s a huge stretch to say his ceiling is even that high bc of the extreme accuracy issues. Maybe he can tweak his mechanics to the point where it’s no longer a glaring issue, but it would be an unprecedented turnaround for it to become a strength. 2 replies 1 retweet 4 likes Jordan ZirmVerified account @clevezirm Mar 26 exactly. the only way his "ceiling" becomes the highest is if he literally improves leaps and bounds on some of the most important aspects of his game. and that's a risky bet to take Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 rosen's terrible, Kizer like interception vs Memphis: BEST PURE INTERCEPTION THROWER ? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: rosen's terrible, Kizer like interception vs Memphis: Thanks....totally unable to find this on YouTube for myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 On 3/27/2018 at 10:46 AM, Tour2ma said: Saw that.... what do you think Mora sees about NYG that makes him declare them the better fit? Not really sure, I saw it another article where he referred to Rosen as a millennial and that's rarely a compliment. Something about he needed to be pushed to succeed. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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calfoxwc Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 49 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: Thanks....totally unable to find this on YouTube for myself. well, you have to have the best lookup parameters, you know. and the desire to find it in the first place.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 from last year, in May, but Rosen did the same things and has the same red flags now. http://www.profootballweekly.com/2017/05/22/greg-gabriel-breaking-down-ucla-qb-josh-rosen/aaus9js/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD_Tom Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Nobody was aware he threw that pick in the Memphis game. Nobody had ever seen it. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 his footwork was to be admired, though. He ran like a drunken chicken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD_Tom Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 1 hour ago, calfoxwc said: his footwork was to be admired, though. He ran like a drunken chicken. Whatever helps you sleep at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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