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[Tour2ma]

2 hours ago, hoorta said:

 Bo don't count, three seasons where he never topped 1,000 yards?

Never played until MLB's season was over...

Appeared in 7, 10 and 11 games in those three, pre-injury seasons.

Split carries with Marcus Allen...

Oh yeah...

Bo counts...

 

[hoorta]

7 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:

Never played until MLB's season was over...

Appeared in 7, 10 and 11 games in those three, pre-injury seasons.

Split carries with Marcus Allen...

Oh yeah...

Bo counts...

 

Forgot about that Tour. Talk about a fluke injury, and plain bad luck. One of our Sports Med Docs was at a conference, and I got the full lowdown exactly what happened to Bo. Real world, a fracture like that heals normally 99 out of 100 times...    

[Tour2ma]

28 minutes ago, hoorta said:

Forgot about that Tour. Talk about a fluke injury, and plain bad luck. One of our Sports Med Docs was at a conference, and I got the full lowdown exactly what happened to Bo. Real world, a fracture like that heals normally 99 out of 100 times...    

My name is Tour and I'm here to help... and split peas...

Biggest contributor I heard (in ESPN's documentary, You Don't Know Bo) was that when Bo's hip pulled out of it's socket, it trapped a major artery when it popped right back into the socket. This went undetected and the reduced blood flow actually caused his hip to "die". IIRC the pinched artery was "found" when they did his hip replacement.

Was that reflected in what you heard?

[Mark O]

1 minute ago, Tour2ma said:

My name is Tour and I'm here to help... and split peas...

Biggest contributor I heard (in ESPN's documentary, You Don't Know Bo) was that when Bo's hip pulled out of it's socket, it trapped a major artery when it popped right back into the socket. This went undetected and the reduced blood flow actually caused his hip to "die". IIRC the pinched artery was "found" when they did his hip replacement.

Was that reflected in what you heard?

Dude gets his hip replaced and comes back and still hits home runs.    Freakish athlete.

Saw him at old Municipal stadium playing for the Royals against the Indians.   He put on a show that night.

[SD_Tom]

57 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

Maybe someone to look at in the late rounds.  Though....what would he give us that Dayes does not?  Perhaps that ability to catch?

I still don't understand why Dayes got zero carries during the season. He looked best in preseason, he looked best on KR, he couldn't have looked any worse than Crowell did for about 90% of his carries. 

I would also prefer a back around 220lbs instead of 190-200. If they're taking a small back, Bryce Love is the best I've seen. You can pretty much watch film from any game this season and be impressed. He was averaging 10 ypc for about 3/4 of the season. 

Another big Ten guy who looked really tough for a smaller back, was Akrum Wadley (Iowa)

 

[SD_Tom]

And Bo Jackson was the man. Period. once in a lifetime athlete. 

If he had focused just on football, imagine how much more dominant he'd have been. The crazy thing was he never lifted weights either. I knew a guy at my college like him, granted it was NAIA, but dude was built like a bodybuilder... was the best baseball player, best football player (also a RB) and said coaches let him slide on lifting because he played two sports and his production was the best. 

I could take all the steroids in the world for a decade and train with top strength coaches and still never be as strong or as fast as Bo. Genetics are a bitch

[hoorta]

38 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:

My name is Tour and I'm here to help... and split peas...

Biggest contributor I heard (in ESPN's documentary, You Don't Know Bo) was that when Bo's hip pulled out of it's socket, it trapped a major artery when it popped right back into the socket. This went undetected and the reduced blood flow actually caused his hip to "die". IIRC the pinched artery was "found" when they did his hip replacement.

Was that reflected in what you heard?

Well since that much was public knowledge- it was more than that. There was also a femur neck fracture. That pinched artery resulted in bone necrosis (in layman's terms rotting) of the femur head- the part of the bone that connects with your hip socket. I wasn't aware there was a temporary dislocation on top of it. Current medical practice, they would have done an arteriogram and discovered the problem before it was too late to do anything about it.   

[The Gipper]

33 minutes ago, SD_Tom said:

I still don't understand why Dayes got zero carries during the season. He looked best in preseason, he looked best on KR, he couldn't have looked any worse than Crowell did for about 90% of his carries. 

I would also prefer a back around 220lbs instead of 190-200. If they're taking a small back, Bryce Love is the best I've seen. You can pretty much watch film from any game this season and be impressed. He was averaging 10 ypc for about 3/4 of the season. 

Another big Ten guy who looked really tough for a smaller back, was Akrum Wadley (Iowa)

 

Bad coaching...that's why.

[The Gipper]

33 minutes ago, SD_Tom said:

And Bo Jackson was the man. Period. once in a lifetime athlete. 

If he had focused just on football, imagine how much more dominant he'd have been. The crazy thing was he never lifted weights either. I knew a guy at my college like him, granted it was NAIA, but dude was built like a bodybuilder... was the best baseball player, best football player (also a RB) and said coaches let him slide on lifting because he played two sports and his production was the best. 

I could take all the steroids in the world for a decade and train with top strength coaches and still never be as strong or as fast as Bo. Genetics are a bitch

Herschel Walker didn't lift weights either.   His body was sculpted by pure calestenics.     Pushups, situp, pullups etc. 

I also wondered how good he could have been had he not gone to play in the USFL.

Even so...his NFL stats were pretty good:

 

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Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Rush	Yds	TD	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
Career					187	137	1954	8225	61	91	4.2	44.0	10.4	296	512	4859	9.5	21	93	2.7	26.0		13084	82	41	98
6 yrs		DAL			81	48	818	3491	27	84	4.3	43.1	10.1	33	232	2556	11.0	8	84	2.9	31.6		6047	35	17	42
3 yrs		MIN			42	40	551	2264	20	71	4.1	53.9	13.1		86	681	7.9	5	32	2.0	16.2		2945	25	11	23
3 yrs		PHI			48	46	554	2344	14	91	4.2	48.8	11.5	219	163	1388	8.5	7	93	3.4	28.9		3732	21	13	30
1 yr		NYG			16	3	31	126	0	36	4.1	7.9	1.9	44	31	234	7.5	1	34	1.9	14.6		360	1	0	3
1986	24	DAL	rb	34	16	9	151	737	12	84	4.9	46.1	9.4		76	837	11.0	2	84	4.8	52.3	0.0%	1574	14	5	12
1987*	25	DAL	RB	34	12	11	209	891	7	60	4.3	74.3	17.4		60	715	11.9	1	44	5.0	59.6	0.0%	1606	8	4	13
1988*	26	DAL	RB	34	16	16	361	1514	5	38	4.2	94.6	22.6		53	505	9.5	2	50	3.3	31.6	0.0%	2019	7	6	12
1989	27	2TM			16	14	250	915	7	47	3.7	57.2	15.6		40	423	10.6	2	52	2.5	26.4	0.0%	1338	9	7	10
		DAL	rb	34	5	5	81	246	2	20	3.0	49.2	16.2		22	261	11.9	1	52	4.4	52.2	0.0%	507	3	2	3
		MIN	RB	34	11	9	169	669	5	47	4.0	60.8	15.4		18	162	9.0	1	24	1.6	14.7	0.0%	831	6	5	7
1990	28	MIN	KR/RB	34	16	16	184	770	5	58	4.2	48.1	11.5		35	315	9.0	4	32	2.2	19.7	0.0%	1085	9	4	8
1991	29	MIN	RB	34	15	15	198	825	10	71	4.2	55.0	13.2		33	204	6.2	0	19	2.2	13.6	0.0%	1029	10	2	8
1992	30	PHI	RB	34	16	16	267	1070	8	38	4.0	66.9	16.7	47	38	278	7.3	2	41	2.4	17.4	80.9%	1348	10	6	12
1993	31	PHI	RB	34	16	16	174	746	1	35	4.3	46.6	10.9	91	75	610	8.1	3	55	4.7	38.1	82.4%	1356	4	3	10
1994	32	PHI	KR/RB	34	16	14	113	528	5	91	4.7	33.0	7.1	81	50	500	10.0	2	93	3.1	31.3	61.7%	1028	7	4	8
1995	33	NYG	KR	34	16	3	31	126	0	36	4.1	7.9	1.9	44	31	234	7.5	1	34	1.9	14.6	70.5%	360	1	0	3
1996	34	DAL	KR	34	16	1	10	83	1	39	8.3	5.2	0.6	10	7	89	12.7	0	24	0.4	5.6	70.0%	172	1	0	1
1997	35	DAL	fb/KR	34	16	6	6	20	0	11	3.3	1.3	0.4	23	14	149	10.6	2	64	0.9	9.3	60.9%	169	2	0	1

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[The Gipper]

In just 3 years, Walker had over 5500 of rushing yards in the USFL:

CAREER RUSHING STATISTICS

Season League Team Age GP Att Yards TD % A/G Y/G LNG  1980  NCAA  Georgia Bulldogs  18  11  274  1616  15  5.9  24.9  146.9  76  1981  NCAA  Georgia Bulldogs  19  11  385  1891  18  4.9  35.0  171.9  32  1982  NCAA  Georgia Bulldogs  20  11  355  1752  16  4.9  32.3  159.3  59  1983  USFL  New Jersey Generals  21  18  412  1812  17  4.4  22.9  100.7    1984  USFL  New Jersey Generals  22  18  293  1339  16  4.6  16.3  74.4  0  1985  USFL  New Jersey Generals  23  18  438  2411  21  5.5  24.3  133.9  0  1986  NFL  Dallas Cowboys  24  16  151  737  12  4.9  9.4  46.1    1987  NFL  Dallas Cowboys  25  12  209  891  7  4.3  17.4  74.3    1988  NFL  Dallas Cowboys  26  16  361  1514  5  4.2  22.6  94.6    1989  NFL  Dallas Cowboys  27  5  81  246  2  3.0  16.2  49.2    1989  NFL  Minnesota Vikings  27  11  169  669  5  4.0  15.4  60.8    1990  NFL  Minnesota Vikings  28  16  184  770  5  4.2  11.5  48.1    1991  NFL  Minnesota Vikings  29  15  198  825  10  4.2  13.2  55.0    1992  NFL  Philadelphia Eagles  30  16  267  1070  8  4.0  16.7  66.9    1993  NFL  Philadelphia Eagles  31  16  174  746  1  4.3  10.9  46.6    1994  NFL  Philadelphia Eagles  32  16  113  528  5  4.7  7.1  33.0    1995  NFL  New York Giants  33  16  31  126  0  4.1  1.9  7.9    1996  NFL  Dallas Cowboys  34  16  10  83  1  8.3  0.6  5.2    1997  NFL  Dallas Cowboys  35  16  6  20  0  3.3  0.4  1.3    Totals  NCAA   Totals     33  1014   5259   49   5.2   30.7   159.4       DAL      81  818  3491  27  4.3  10.1  43.1      MIN      42  551  2264  20  4.1  13.1  53.9      NYG      16  31  126  0  4.1  1.9  7.9      PHI      48  554  2344  14  4.2  11.5  48.8       NFL   Totals     187  1954   8225   61   4.2   10.4   44.0        USFL   Totals     54  1143   5562   54   4.9   21.2   103.0

[The Gipper]

With his combined  13787 rushing yards...only  Emmit Smith, Sander, Payton,  Curtis Martin and Frank Gore have had more career rushing yards than  Herschel Walker.

[SD_Tom]

9 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

Herschel Walker didn't lift weights either.   His body was sculpted by pure calestenics.     Pushups, situp, pullups etc. 

I also wondered how good he could have been had he not gone to play in the USFL.

Even so...his NFL stats were pretty good:

 

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Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Rush	Yds	TD	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
Career					187	137	1954	8225	61	91	4.2	44.0	10.4	296	512	4859	9.5	21	93	2.7	26.0		13084	82	41	98
6 yrs		DAL			81	48	818	3491	27	84	4.3	43.1	10.1	33	232	2556	11.0	8	84	2.9	31.6		6047	35	17	42
3 yrs		MIN			42	40	551	2264	20	71	4.1	53.9	13.1		86	681	7.9	5	32	2.0	16.2		2945	25	11	23
3 yrs		PHI			48	46	554	2344	14	91	4.2	48.8	11.5	219	163	1388	8.5	7	93	3.4	28.9		3732	21	13	30
1 yr		NYG			16	3	31	126	0	36	4.1	7.9	1.9	44	31	234	7.5	1	34	1.9	14.6		360	1	0	3
1986	24	DAL	rb	34	16	9	151	737	12	84	4.9	46.1	9.4		76	837	11.0	2	84	4.8	52.3	0.0%	1574	14	5	12
1987*	25	DAL	RB	34	12	11	209	891	7	60	4.3	74.3	17.4		60	715	11.9	1	44	5.0	59.6	0.0%	1606	8	4	13
1988*	26	DAL	RB	34	16	16	361	1514	5	38	4.2	94.6	22.6		53	505	9.5	2	50	3.3	31.6	0.0%	2019	7	6	12
1989	27	2TM			16	14	250	915	7	47	3.7	57.2	15.6		40	423	10.6	2	52	2.5	26.4	0.0%	1338	9	7	10
		DAL	rb	34	5	5	81	246	2	20	3.0	49.2	16.2		22	261	11.9	1	52	4.4	52.2	0.0%	507	3	2	3
		MIN	RB	34	11	9	169	669	5	47	4.0	60.8	15.4		18	162	9.0	1	24	1.6	14.7	0.0%	831	6	5	7
1990	28	MIN	KR/RB	34	16	16	184	770	5	58	4.2	48.1	11.5		35	315	9.0	4	32	2.2	19.7	0.0%	1085	9	4	8
1991	29	MIN	RB	34	15	15	198	825	10	71	4.2	55.0	13.2		33	204	6.2	0	19	2.2	13.6	0.0%	1029	10	2	8
1992	30	PHI	RB	34	16	16	267	1070	8	38	4.0	66.9	16.7	47	38	278	7.3	2	41	2.4	17.4	80.9%	1348	10	6	12
1993	31	PHI	RB	34	16	16	174	746	1	35	4.3	46.6	10.9	91	75	610	8.1	3	55	4.7	38.1	82.4%	1356	4	3	10
1994	32	PHI	KR/RB	34	16	14	113	528	5	91	4.7	33.0	7.1	81	50	500	10.0	2	93	3.1	31.3	61.7%	1028	7	4	8
1995	33	NYG	KR	34	16	3	31	126	0	36	4.1	7.9	1.9	44	31	234	7.5	1	34	1.9	14.6	70.5%	360	1	0	3
1996	34	DAL	KR	34	16	1	10	83	1	39	8.3	5.2	0.6	10	7	89	12.7	0	24	0.4	5.6	70.0%	172	1	0	1
1997	35	DAL	fb/KR	34	16	6	6	20	0	11	3.3	1.3	0.4	23	14	149	10.6	2	64	0.9	9.3	60.9%	169	2	0	1

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Walker is another freak. Have you seen his MMA fights? Incredible. Supposedly he eats almost nothing except a salad all day, and does a ton of pushups as a warm up. 

 

[Dutch Oven]

2 hours ago, Mark O said:

Dude gets his hip replaced and comes back and still hits home runs.    Freakish athlete.

Saw him at old Municipal stadium playing for the Royals against the Indians.   He put on a show that night.

So did I, in fact in the game I saw him play we were sitting out in the lower left field stands. He strikes out the first three times vs Swindell, and this guy behind me is just riding Bo all game long. At one point, Bo turns around and stares in our general direction. My friend and I are about 13 or so, and damn near piss our pants because we thought Bo thought it was us giving him Sheet and that he was going to jump the outfield fence and beat our asses. Fourth time up to bat he hits a homer.

[gumby73]

14 hours ago, Tour2ma said:

Because trade is the route to securing Alex's services.

If he wants to play, he'd have no say...

Rumble, young man, rumble!

 

rumble or restructure a year to stay a Chiefs back-up. listening to Andy & Alex from yesterday I'd say he's gone. It will cost a 3rd(he's 34) but KC sits like 22 in 2nd round with no 1st..I'd guess it would properly also cost a swapping team trade in 2nd round to fall to KC's pick at lucky #22.(#54)why trade him in conference? that would be like 7 teams, to Browns, it would be like Santa Reid giving Alex a jail sentence (ha/Ho)  if Cousin or Eli goes? but that leaves the other Team in Red..the Alex sweepstakes winner is  Arizona Cardinals.. maybe..for January that's my guess..Boooooo! ...(ok Barkley I'll get out of your way) 

[Ghoolie]

On 12/31/2017 at 6:48 PM, Browns149 said:

Won’t matter if Hue is coaching. They will go 0-16 again 

BINGO

 

[PoeticG]

There was some question about Voch Lombardi's comments on Barkley's blocking. 

I decided to rewatch the videos and actually listen more closely... I did say videos, because one was a quick look and the other was a fuller draft analysis. 

Here, I'll let you listen for yourselves. 

 

This upper one is from last off season. 

 

 

IMO- Barkley became much better and more consistent as a blocker last season. 

Rushing - A++

Receiving A

Returning A

Pass Blocking B+

Passing A- lol, Come on he was like 2 for 2 and a TD or something

 

[Ghoolie]

On 1/9/2018 at 8:49 PM, Dutch Oven said:

The draft is very hard to predict.

But the Browns are not taking Barkley #1.

Not hard to predict if you are predicting the Browns. They always throw their 1st round picks away.

They won't take Barkley at #1, but they'll take a homosexual Cowboy fan at #1? LMAO@ The Browns.

Barkley is THE pick of the draft. If the Browns are stupid enough to pass om him at #1, they won't get a chance at #4

 

 

[hoorta]

1 hour ago, Ghoolie said:

Not hard to predict if you are predicting the Browns. They always throw their 1st round picks away.

They won't take Barkley at #1, but they'll take a homosexual Cowboy fan at #1? LMAO@ The Browns.

Barkley is THE pick of the draft. If the Browns are stupid enough to pass om him at #1, they won't get a chance at #4

that's Ok running backs are dime a dozen. or you missed out on this thread? Jim Brown, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Adrian Peterson, and Ladanian Tomlinson weren't drafted #1 overall. Damn the Browns really missed out there...   Trent Richardson got drafted #3 overall, and blown out knee Ki Jana Carter #1. wow- I'm so not excited to take a guy at a position that hasn't been drafted #1  overall in the past 20 years. 

[Ghoolie]

10 minutes ago, hoorta said:

that's Ok running backs are dime a dozen. or you missed out on this thread? Jim Brown, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Adrian Peterson, and Ladanian Tomlinson weren't drafted #1 overall. Damn the Browns really missed out there...   Trent Richardson got drafted #3 overall, and blown out knee Ki Jana Carter #1. wow- I'm so not excited to take a guy at a position that hasn't been drafted #1  overall in the past 20 years. 

You are NEVER crazy about taking pkaymakers. You want to block your way to the fukcing SB. We don't need play makers we have assets.

[hoorta]

52 minutes ago, Ghoolie said:

You are NEVER crazy about taking pkaymakers. You want to block your way to the fukcing SB. We don't need play makers we have assets.

I love playmakers- especially the biggest ones of all- a franchise QB. So who are the starting running backs for the Eagles and Patriots? Bet you a beer you can't tell me without looking.     

[The Gipper]

9 hours ago, Ghoolie said:

You are NEVER crazy about taking pkaymakers. You want to block your way to the fukcing SB. We don't need play makers we have assets.

He was talking about taking a QB #1 overall.   Do you not consider a QB a play maker?

I mean...you have grumbled about the Browns not drafting playmakers...yet in the last several years they have drafted all of the following in the first round:

QBs Quinn,  Weeden, Manziel

RB  Richardson

WR Coleman

TE Njoku

What you mean to say is that "I applaud the Browns for taking what seemed to be playmakers...yet I acknowledge that the choices they have made for playmakers have been busts".

[tiamat63]

So that's the PoG and Ghoolie kiss of death.  

That makes Barkley a hard pass anywhere in the 1st then.

[The Gipper]

4 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:

So that's the PoG and Ghoolie kiss of death.  

That makes Barkley a hard pass anywhere in the 1st then.

TR2

[Ghoolie]

1 hour ago, The Gipper said:

He was talking about taking a QB #1 overall.   Do you not consider a QB a play maker?

I mean...you have grumbled about the Browns not drafting playmakers...yet in the last several years they have drafted all of the following in the first round:

QBs Quinn,  Weeden, Manziel

RB  Richardson

WR Coleman

TE Njoku

What you mean to say is that "I applaud the Browns for taking what seemed to be playmakers...yet I acknowledge that the choices they have made for playmakers have been busts".

Dude, NOBODY WANTED QUINN, MANZIEL AND WEEDEN. Don't be a jackoff. THe fact that the Browns took someone high does not mean they took premium playmakers. The fukcking list of people they passed on is the problem. 

You are a goddamned moron. You think the Browns get a pass for taking Quinn? Dude, NOBODY was jumping on that turd.  The Browns are a laughing stock. COLEMAN? COLEMAN? ROTFLMAO.................. COLEMAN is your example of the Browns going after play makers? How many times were you dropped on your head as a child? Seriously?

They take homosexual Garrett at #1, but could have had Bosa, a year earlier, for less? Get the Fukck out of here with your impotent analytical apologies. They Browns draft schidt. Garrett, Coleman, both schidt. Totally wasted draft picks.

The Browns DO NOT PARTICIPATE in drafting the top playmakers. Who TF do you take Coleman over Doctson? What next? " Ooh, I have a chance to take Jennifer Lopez on a date..........but I am going to take Whoopie Goldturd..................... I mean, she is just as popular....................... so yea.............. I choose Whoopie.

THat is your dumb asss fukcing logic, just because the Browns take someone at a certain position does not have any correlation to whether the guy is an impact player or not.

 

 

 

[Ghoolie]

Hey Jackoffs, you didn't like Ben, Petersen, Julio Jones, Goff, , Wentz, and last year Trubisky. We passed on Watt, Bosa, and Doctson.

BUT BUT BUT................... we got a Zumba instructor, and Corey Coleslaw.

If the Browns do not take Barkley at #1, a smarter team will tke him at #2, and the Browns will AGAIN be a laughing stock letting the top player go to another team.

There will be a QB available at 4, and the Browns can package Joe THomas and the #4 to move up and get Mayfield, or whoever they want. Barkley, won't be around.

[hoorta]

22 minutes ago, Ghoolie said:

Hey Jackoffs, you didn't like Ben, Petersen, Julio Jones, Goff, , Wentz, and last year Trubisky. We passed on Watt, Bosa, and Doctson.

BUT BUT BUT................... we got a Zumba instructor, and Corey Coleslaw.

If the Browns do not take Barkley at #1, a smarter team will tke him at #2, and the Browns will AGAIN be a laughing stock letting the top player go to another team.

There will be a QB available at 4, and the Browns can package Joe THomas and the #4 to move up and get Mayfield, or whoever they want. Barkley, won't be around.

Don't presume us fans are as ignorant as the Front office has been. I wanted Ben, Wentz, and along with Gipper- Trubisky. Didn't want- or like any of the #22 QB busts. For the record, "it's a sin if we draft Quinn."

Like us fans have any say what the FO is going to do? All I can do is hope Dorsey & Wolfe do a better job of assessing talent than their predesessors. 

[tiamat63]

The noise from the pulpit is kind of loud, especially coming from a guy that hailed Paxton Shmucking Lynch as the future.       

Oh, I already know - "He's an athlete that hasn't gotten his fair shot yet".

[The Gipper]

3 hours ago, Ghoolie said:

Dude, NOBODY WANTED QUINN, MANZIEL AND WEEDEN. Don't be a jackoff. THe fact that the Browns took someone high does not mean they took premium playmakers. The fukcking list of people they passed on is the problem. 

You are a goddamned moron. You think the Browns get a pass for taking Quinn? Dude, NOBODY was jumping on that turd.  The Browns are a laughing stock. COLEMAN? COLEMAN? ROTFLMAO.................. COLEMAN is your example of the Browns going after play makers? How many times were you dropped on your head as a child? Seriously?

They take homosexual Garrett at #1, but could have had Bosa, a year earlier, for less? Get the Fukck out of here with your impotent analytical apologies. They Browns draft schidt. Garrett, Coleman, both schidt. Totally wasted draft picks.

The Browns DO NOT PARTICIPATE in drafting the top playmakers. Who TF do you take Coleman over Doctson? What next? " Ooh, I have a chance to take Jennifer Lopez on a date..........but I am going to take Whoopie Goldturd..................... I mean, she is just as popular....................... so yea.............. I choose Whoopie.

THat is your dumb asss fukcing logic, just because the Browns take someone at a certain position does not have any correlation to whether the guy is an impact player or not.

 

 

 

ALL of the guys that the Browns drafted:  TR, Weeden, Coleman, Quinn, JMZ etc.   ALL of them would have been drafted by someone within likely 5 picks of where the Browns took them. 

I realize that you likely pay not one moment of attention to the draft ratings, the Mock Drafts, etc.  ...but the fact is EVERY one of the "skill" players the Browns selected were basically unanimously rated to have been taken about precisely where they were taken.

The reason these picks did not turn out is because these players flopped.  If they had not flopped for the Browns...they would have flopped for someone else.  Its just that the Browns have the unlucky streak of taking these flops.  Just because this level of analysis is above your level of comprehension doesn't mean the Browns didn't make the effort.  E.g.  of why you have no clue:  you mention Josh Doctson.  You apparently pay no attention to anything:  Doctson has basically been a bigger flop than Coleman.  He has caught 37 passes in two years. As for nobody wanting somebody...you have been all over Lynch's nutsack....yet he is simply another Quinn, Weeden.JMZ.  So, no. You have zero credibility.

[The Gipper]

48 minutes ago, hoorta said:

Don't presume us fans are as ignorant as the Front office has been. I wanted Ben, Wentz, and along with Gipper- Trubisky. Didn't want- or like any of the #22 QB busts. For the record, "it's a sin if we draft Quinn."

Like us fans have any say what the FO is going to do? All I can do is hope Dorsey & Wolfe do a better job of assessing talent than their predesessors. 

Yes, I wanted Trubisky...and I wanted Bosa.  I didn't pull for Wentz...because I wanted Bosa.  So I was not favoring any of those QBs over any other.

As far as going for Ben R and Julio Jones....I don't remember where I stood on them.  And that is just his revisionist history claiming that he wanted those guys. I do remember thinking that the year after BR...when we had like Dilfer or Garcia at QB that I thought we needed a QB...and I thought that a kid from Cal should be given a serious look. Of course, he didn't get picked until #24...and then spent 3 years on the bench behind Brett Favre.

And I am not sure who he means when he says Peterson.   Patrick? Adrian?

It is ironic though...that the two posters on the exteme end of the spectrum both want the same guy. 

But...I don't know about that guy....and for the #4 spot....I would rather see a playmaker......on defense.

[hoorta]

2 hours ago, tiamat63 said:

The noise from the pulpit is kind of loud, especially coming from a guy that hailed Paxton Shmucking Lynch as the future.       

Oh, I already know - "He's an athlete that hasn't gotten his fair shot yet".

It's not quite time yet, but getting pretty close, with Elway scouting every top QB that's going to be in the draft this year- including asking for and getting Mayfield and Allen for the Senior Bowl. "Can't stay healthy & when he is can't beat out Siemian or our reject Osweiler" Paxton is about done in Denver.