Peppers

[tiamat63]

I don't have much issue with how Peppers has played thus far this pre-season.

So long as he continues to clean up angles and keep his head up tackling.   He's been playing over top of flexed out TE's, a WR to the boundary on occasion and I think he picked up smallwood a few times vs Philly.     

I'm in a wait and see.    Do I like how high we drafted a utility player like that? Not really.   But if he continues to bring some value to this defense then that mindset of feeling like you overpaid will diminish in time.     

[DieHardBrownsFan]

Peppers sucks.  Went to University of Michigan.  Nuff said.

[Westside Steve]

I think Peppers has a lot of potential and I hope Greg Williams can figure out a way to use it best.

Number two damn straight we need help at guard. I always pound the drum for elite guards.

Third one? What you only had 2 and Need to stick in a cliche?

WSS

[Zombo]

15 minutes ago, Westside Steve said:

I think Peppers has a lot of potential and I hope Greg Williams can figure out a way to use it best.

Number two damn straight we need help at guard. I always pound the drum for elite guards.

Third one? What you only had 2 and Need to stick in a cliche?

WSS

Ya, we are thin at guard depth because we moved one of our two elite guards to Tackle. Right Guard will be fine with mauler Zeitler, LG depends on Corbett's development, hopefully he is as smart as he is big.

Drango Unchained is our third guard, but I fell they may find something better out there somewhere next week,.

Zombo

[gumby73]

9 minutes ago, Zombo said:

Ya, we are thin at guard depth because we moved one of our two elite guards to Tackle. Right Guard will be fine with mauler Zeitler, LG depends on Corbett's development, hopefully he is as smart as he is big.

Drango Unchained is our third guard, but I fell they may find something better out there somewhere next week,.

Zombo

I would have given TT a quarter to call Ritchie Ingognito..till he went bat'chit crazy..  

[MLD Woody]

5 hours ago, Tacosman said:

no, the skills he showed at michigan are not the direction the game is evolving.  Thats why the pick was mostly panned at the time, and thats why it is panned even more in hindsight as we saw his 'skills' in 2017.  

It's clear the direction across the nfl is not too add more guys in the secondary/safety with linebacker skill sets primarily.  

Look at tre boston....he's a strong safety that is just a much better version of even a realistically optimistic version of what Peppers may be this year, and he managed all of a 1 year 1.5 million dollar contract in the offseason this year.  And  Even a pro-peppers guy would rather have boston on this team playing SS than peppers.  

I disagree. Hell, you even described it in the second paragraph. You must not have any idea what he actually did at Michigan since he played a version of that hybrid role for us. It's just that most colleges don't run a ton of TEs so he was more in the slot at times.

I'd say him being a wolverine had a lot to do with it being "panned" and this place was proof.

You must not be paying attention because we clearly didn't see his skills in 2017. That's the point. That was the major gripe to the punt return coverage D. Which, again, had a lot to do with how much Williams trusted his corners. You weren't really going to see anyone's skills, especially someone that should be near the LOS, when they're 35 yards back. 

 

Comparing him to a safety in his 5th year? Ok... Not to mention Pro Football Reference, and a handful of other places, list Boston as a Free Safety. 

Kam Chancellor is a strong safety and paid very well.

[MLD Woody]

2 hours ago, tiamat63 said:

I don't have much issue with how Peppers has played thus far this pre-season.

So long as he continues to clean up angles and keep his head up tackling.   He's been playing over top of flexed out TE's, a WR to the boundary on occasion and I think he picked up smallwood a few times vs Philly.     

I'm in a wait and see.    Do I like how high we drafted a utility player like that? Not really.   But if he continues to bring some value to this defense then that mindset of feeling like you overpaid will diminish in time.     

I'm hoping he can continue to grow into his role and the NFL game in a way that allows us to use him in a way that affects the game like he did in college. He didn't rack up all of that stats but it wasn't his job. Instead the offense and the QB had to account for him every play and they never really knew what he was doing. There was a game against MSU where, coming out of a timeout, they took a second timeout immediately because Peppers was kined up somewhere they weren't expecting and they didn't know what to do 

[MLD Woody]

2 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

Peppers sucks.  Went to University of Michigan.  Nuff said.

As soon as I saw that your avatar as the most recent post I knew what you'd post. I wasn't that far off haha

[The Gipper]

On 8/25/2018 at 10:33 PM, MLD Woody said:

Damn

This is gonna be one of those threads where, in response to haters/those that don't know what they're talking about, I speak for the middle ground, in a way that defends Pep, and then I get called a Homer for it.

Damn. It might be

See how stupid you are? You defend him  unquestionably, and you call that the middleground?  Hello McFly is anybody home arsebag?  You’re taking his side completely and without giving a thought to how he has played.  Peppers has been below average so far in his performance for this team. Plain simple true.  Are there potential explanations....he is out of position, etc.?  Perhaps.  Can he improver? Hopefully.....but he has still played like a 6th rounder, not a first rounder.

[hoorta]

9 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

Because it's not something we really had him do at Michigan and it's not something we had him do last year. 

Your post before this, where you go off against what you think a SS is, I don't think you're paying attention to where we've had him lining up and what we've had him doing. He does play a deep half now and then, he blitzes, he covers TEs, and he covers the slot. That's not a demotion. It's a different piece in a complex puzzle. Williams had him at deep safety last year because he was our best option at it on the team. Now he has him in this Swiss army knife role for a similar reason. That's a critical piece to today's NFL defense. You made plenty of claims to the contrary, but I think I'll go with Williams on this one.

I get that you've been against him since we drafted him, you've made that very clear. You may think I'm being biased, I don't doubt you do. You need to at least be realistic in what you're saying though and look at the facts. Damn.

Woody, I hold no grudge against Peppers because he went to Michigan. Let's just say as a first round pick- he's not drawing comparisons to Ed Reed yet.    

PS- I was at the Bill's game, and Williams is only playing his safetys a 1\2 mile off the ball now, and a couple two guys deep. 

[MLD Woody]

53 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

See how stupid you are you defend him and you call that the middleground hello McFly is anybody home pooper you’re taking his side completely. Peppers has been below average so far in his performance for this team plain simple trueSee how stupid you are you defend him and you call that the middleground hello McFly is anybody home pooper you’re taking his side completely. Peppers has been below average so far in his performance for this team plain simple true

Right, I sound stupid... not the guy using the word "pooper" and saying everything twice...

I state facts. I try to "defend" him from nonsense and false statements. I've never once claimed he's playing like a superstar or any of that. I'm providing background, and again, facts, for anyone making claims without any real base.

[MLD Woody]

1 minute ago, hoorta said:

Woody, I hold no grudge against Peppers because he went to Michigan. Let's just say as a first round pick- he's not drawing comparisons to Ed Reed yet.    

PS- I was at the Bill's game, and Williams is only playing his safetys a 1\2 mile off the ball now, and a couple two guys deep. 

I wouldn't expect him to since they play different positions

I really think Williams change in how he uses his safeties is mainly due to how much trust he has in our CBs now. He doesn't need a FS so far back to serve as his "Angel".

[Nero]

14 hours ago, gumby73 said:

well he's a guy that will talk up & down about his defensive personal.. 

  almost 17 mins.(l loved it) Peppers near the end but don't miss the coaching of D.Ward..Enjoy!   

I love how now we have a defensive roster more flexible than last year that allows us to put 11 players who thanks to their versatility have the ability to play different schemes proficiently. 

It is one of the major threats a defense can show, and I see Williams doing it not forcing players out of their natural positions.

[The Gipper]

10 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

Right, I sound stupid... not the guy using the word "pooper" and saying everything twice...

More evidence of your stupidity.  The forum now autocorrects the word a-s-s-hole for pooper....How long have you been on this board to not know that?  And how long have you been around to not know that when I speak into my phone, it duplicates my comments.  We have had numerous discussions on here about this but have had no solution.  More evidence of you being clueless and out of touch. 

I state facts. I try to "defend" him from nonsense and false statements.

What specific nonsense and false statements have been made about him?  I don't know about others, but I personally have only said that he has been disappointing to this point and has not played up to his draft status or his potential.  There may be some legitimate excuses for that based on the way he has been used, but it is still a fact, nevertheless.

I've never once claimed he's playing like a superstar or any of that. I'm providing background, and again, facts, for anyone making claims without any real base.

Background?  Facts?  I have seen none of those.  Opinions, perhaps.

 

[Clevfan4life]

ill.go on record now thst i think peppers, if/when williams fully integrates him into the defense and starts bringing him closer to the LOS.....peppers is going to have palomalu like seasons. 

it all comes down to if williams can get him to properly read plays at the snap and react properly. Than you'll have a guy with that athletic ability close to the los who recovers depth if the offense tries to go high.

[MLD Woody]

Oh joy, I can expect Gipper to get all flustered and respond to me in any threads we're both in. Back to that. First Meyer, now this. I don't expect to get anywhere in either of them, as history has shown multiple times.

I'll just leave our side conversation be for now and see if anything else becomes of this thread. 

(This is when you get your last word in)

[The Gipper]

20 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

Oh joy, I can expect Gipper to get all flustered and respond to me in any threads we're both in. Back to that. First Meyer, now this. I don't expect to get anywhere in either of them, as history has shown multiple times.

I'll just leave our side conversation be for now and see if anything else becomes of this thread. 

(This is when you get your last word in)

You asked that we not feed the troll....I declined.   I consider you as big of a troll as Ghoolie is.

Why? Because this is a brown and orange board.  And a scarlett and gray board.   You seem to ONLY  display your simperings and whimperings when some corn and navy colored player is at issue (even when they play for the Browns)  I would wager that about 80% of your posts, even here on the Browns board, deal only with anyone that played for TLUN.   (Those Losers Up North).

Besides that....there is no "fluster" at all about it.  Stating facts and truths is not flustering for me. It is just natural to do so. You are the one, apparently, that can't handle the truth.  You always have to make excuses for your boys. You always have to see how many angels you can make dance on the head of a pin. 

I just tell it like it is, and don't worry about it.  Peppers has been disappointing and has played below expectations.  There was no basis to terminate Meyer.  I recognize this and move on.  You on the other hand do a Rumpelstilskin dance and screw yourself into the ground in rage and frustration. Hopefully, like him, you will fall into a chasm and never be heard from again.

(Read my avatar to figure things out)

[Tour2ma]

21 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

You asked how he had no real experience covering TEs. I told you.

Taco rarely says what he says... at least once he's called on it.

[Ibleedbrown]

30 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:

Taco rarely says what he says... at least once he's called on it.

That sounds like a Yogi Berra quote.

[jiggins7919]

There were so many other players available when we drafted him. So many that fit a specific need. It really was a bad pick, but it doesn't have to stay that way. Prove me wrong Peppers. 

[TexasAg1969]

3 hours ago, jiggins7919 said:

There were so many other players available when we drafted him. So many that fit a specific need. It really was a bad pick, but it doesn't have to stay that way. Prove me wrong Peppers. 

Peppers was made to be a close in stopper hybrid DB/LB. Williams will get it right in the long run. Not tipping his hand in pre-season. Now he has some true safeties and CBs and someone better in B-C to sometimes play centerfield.

[BaconHound]

Year #2 and he hasn’t distinguished himself from the other guys on the team, that says enough for me. 

Dont worry Woody the OSU guys will be defending Ward and bashing Williams when Ward gets exposed 😀

[MLD Woody]

1 hour ago, BaconHound said:

Year #2 and he hasn’t distinguished himself from the other guys on the team, that says enough for me. 

Dont worry Woody the OSU guys will be defending Ward and bashing Williams when Ward gets exposed 😀

Oh I know.  I'll wait for you to do that haha

I can only imagine how long it took with Robiske for those guys here

[thenew23]

2 hours ago, BaconHound said:

Year #2 and he hasn’t distinguished himself from the other guys on the team, that says enough for me. 

Well, considering when he returned from injury he was immediately running with the first team at SS tells me, maybe he has flashed enough to "distinguish" himself...

[MLD Woody]

13 minutes ago, thenew23 said:

Well, considering when he returned from injury he was immediately running with the first team at SS tells me, maybe he has flashed enough to "distinguish" himself...

I thought Kindred was hurt near the end of last year though. 

[SD_Tom]

Look at how loaded buckeyes secondary has been recently.  

Lattimore. Hooker,  Conley,  Apple,  Roby,  and Ward. 

[tiamat63]

Von Bell... hell, even Tyvus Powell has made a niche in the league. 

[The Gipper]

1 hour ago, tiamat63 said:

Von Bell... hell, even Tyvus Powell has made a niche in the league. 

If you listen to Woody, you would have thought that Peppers was the second coming of  Charles Woodson.  When is that guy going to show up?

[MLD Woody]

Yep, OSU has produced a lot of DB talent recently. Variying success in the NFL, but it's still early for a lot of them. Lattimore has obviously been lights out.

Hopefully Michigan is trending that way with DBs. Lewis, Hill and Peppers (plus some UDFAs from that secondary). We also had two of the top rated CBs in CFB returning for this year. It'll be interesting to see how this draft shakes out from our D.

[SD_Tom]

5 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

Yep, OSU has produced a lot of DB talent recently. Variying success in the NFL, but it's still early for a lot of them. Lattimore has obviously been lights out.

Hopefully Michigan is trending that way with DBs. Lewis, Hill and Peppers (plus some UDFAs from that secondary). We also had two of the top rated CBs in CFB returning for this year. It'll be interesting to see how this draft shakes out from our D.

I've always thought Peppers was so overrated. 

I felt that Lewis was the best on that team.  

Then again,  I'm just some schmuck on the interwebs