Orion Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 2 hours ago, hoorta said: His widow, Georgia Frontiere, inherited 70% ownership of the team. Yes. Never liked her. My brother used to complain about her. We wished for her to sell the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Mark O said: Not entirely accurate. I'm not rooting for the Rams and I'd be willing to be the majority of San Diego county isn't either. San Diego is anti-Los Angeles in any sport. Ummm, dude, it's a joke.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, Axe said: Ummm, dude, it's a joke.. no kidding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 5 hours ago, hoorta said: I held no grudge against the Rams- way back in the days of the Fearsome Foursome. Loved Merlin Olson. But those days are long gone. They became the Carpetbagging Shams. This is the Cliff Notes version, if your want the whole shady story, you can read it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_St._Louis_Rams Prior to the Rams 1979 Super Bowl season, owner Carroll Rosenbloom drowned in an accident. His widow, Georgia Frontiere, inherited 70% ownership of the team. Frontiere fired her step-son, Steve Rosenbloom, and assumed total control of the franchise." Georgia then strong-armed the League getting her to move to St. Louis a few years later... Falling on hard times in St. Louis, another deal- which was not allowed by League rules (can't own other major league sports franchises)the team was sold to Missouri Native Carpetbagger Stan Kroenke. If you think Modell was bad- at least he wasn't originally from Ohio. Even though St Louis had the best improved stadium deal on the table, Kroenke flipped the city the bird, and (with the blessing of can we say dirtball Jerry Jones) moved the team back to LA, which the League had long wanted to have a team in the #2 TV market in the country- even though apparently the locals could care less... And in case you're interested, St. Louis is a bigger market than at least nine other cities that currently have NFL teams.... Too bad, because I can't see them getting an NFL team back in the foreseeable future... So screw you Rams... And while were at it- screw you too Patriots. At least those UCLA basketball Championships in the '60s are ancient history, and I hope 50 years from now New England is waiting for their next Super Bowl appearance... You've won more than your share. Super Bowl LIII, and the Browns and Lions are still waiting for their first trip.... The Browns won seven championships in a 10 year time span so I’m not worried about the patriots matching that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 4 hours ago, Mark O said: Not entirely accurate. I'm not rooting for the Rams and I'd be willing to be the majority of San Diego county isn't either. San Diego is anti-Los Angeles in any sport. But the question is would the majority of the people in the state of California prefer the rams are the patriots. Not just San Diego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 55 minutes ago, The Gipper said: The Browns won seven championships in a 10 year time span so I’m not worried about the patriots matching that You forced me to look this up. The AAFC did not entirely merge with the NFL- as the AFL did. The Browns won three championships from 1950 until 1964 by NFL reckoning- by Pro Football HOF standards, and that's the yardstick that matters, not yours. According to the NFL- your count doesn't mean jack shit, as far as official records are concerned. Anything Otto Graham did prior to 1950? Ditto. Three teams in the (minor league) AAFC folded. Go ahead, count those AAFC championships if you must. They mean about as much as any team that won a USFL Championship- where a lot of "useful" players from that league wound up in the NFL when the league folded, including several that landed on the Browns... I'm not saying the AAFC Browns weren't a great team, just don't go saying "I count those Championships" because the NFL doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 7 hours ago, Axe said: Honest question: The Patriots in the south is Lousiana, where New Orleans is? I don't know by heart all the states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 4 hours ago, Nero said: Honest question: The Patriots in the south is Lousiana, where New Orleans is? I don't know by heart all the states. You are correct. I would've thought that Florida would be for the Pats.....as so many of us New Englanders are there this time of year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 5 hours ago, hoorta said: I'm not saying the AAFC Browns weren't a great team, just don't go saying "I count those Championships" because the NFL doesn't. That is true, shouldn't be, but it is true. There's an argument that can be made that the AAFC in its last two seasons was overall a better league than the NFL. It might be thought of as a minor league, but it most likely was as good as the NFL at its end. One of the best Browns books I've ever read dives into this topic: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/best-show-in-football-andy-piascik/1111631235 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 10 hours ago, hoorta said: You forced me to look this up. The AAFC did not entirely merge with the NFL- as the AFL did. The Browns won three championships from 1950 until 1964 by NFL reckoning- by Pro Football HOF standards, and that's the yardstick that matters, not yours. According to the NFL- your count doesn't mean jack shit, as far as official records are concerned. Anything Otto Graham did prior to 1950? Ditto. Three teams in the (minor league) AAFC folded. Go ahead, count those AAFC championships if you must. They mean about as much as any team that won a USFL Championship- where a lot of "useful" players from that league wound up in the NFL when the league folded, including several that landed on the Browns... I'm not saying the AAFC Browns weren't a great team, just don't go saying "I count those Championships" because the NFL doesn't. Your key word was "Entirely". But it was still a merger. Almost all mergers are only partial mergers. When the ABA merged with the NBA....that was only partial. Only some teams came in....its why we have no Kentucky Colonels in the NBA, or Virginia Squires, or Pittsburgh Pipers or Utah Stars. So a number of teams often do not make it into mergers. But some did: Nets, Nuggets, Pacers, Spurs Same with the WHL/NHL merger. It was a partial merger. The Quebec Nordiques (nka Colorado Avalanche), The Hartford Whalers nka Carolina Hurricane. The Edmonton Oilers and the Winnipeg Jets..... So...actually, the AFL/NFL merger is the outlier in major league sports mergers. The only one where all the teams from both leagues combined to remain active. And FYI...the AAFC was certainly NOT a "minor league" compared to the NFL at the time. The AAFC paid its players more....it had greater average attendance...and there is that little thing where the AAFC Champion played in 6 consecutive NFL title games after it joined...and that AAFC teams won 5 of the 10 NFL titles in the first decade after the merger. The AAFC didn't survive because the Browns were too good. And FYI....the NFL is NOT the keeper of the records. The Hall of Fame counts those titles.....as does the likes of the Sporting News...and every other reporting body. The NFL's opinion is just one of many when it comes to this.....and is by NO means the authoritative opionion. And you can ignore the history of why the NFL chooses not to do so all you want. It does not make it any less of a fact of what that history is because some people choose to ignore or deny it. (I could bring up the whole Holocaust thing....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 9 hours ago, Nero said: Honest question: The Patriots in the south is Lousiana, where New Orleans is? I don't know by heart all the states. The Patriots are in New England...in the very northeast of the country....the ONLY place that this map has that supposedly a majority of the people there would want the Pats to win.....except for Louisiana. And they have Louisiana going for the Pats because they assume there is resentment because of the bitter loss that the New Orleans (Louisiana) Saints just suffered to the LA Rams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 Just now, The Gipper said: The Patriots are in New England...in the very northeast of the country....the ONLY place that this map has that supposedly a majority of the people there would want the Pats to win.....except for Louisiana. And they have Louisiana going for the Pats because they assume there is resentment because of the bitter loss that the New Orleans (Louisiana) Saints just suffered to the LA Rams. It was a pure geographical question, non-football related. I had understood the joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 4 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: That is true, shouldn't be, but it is true. There's an argument that can be made that the AAFC in its last two seasons was overall a better league than the NFL. It might be thought of as a minor league, but it most likely was as good as the NFL at its end. One of the best Browns books I've ever read dives into this topic: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/best-show-in-football-andy-piascik/1111631235 As I said....the AAFC was no more of a minor league than the AFL was. Sure, perhaps overall in the beginning both leagues would not have been able to match up game to game vs. the NFL. The Browns certainly would have however. There had been proposed after the initial AAFC season that a "World Series of Football" be held between the winners of the AAFC and the winners of the NFL. You know, kind of like a "super bowl" game. The NFL refused. to do that. But there is no doubt in my mind that if the AAFC Champion Browns had played the NFL champions those years that the Browns would have easily won vs. the 1947 NFL Champions Chicago Cardinals...and the 48/49 NFL champion Phil. Eagles. (The Browns manhandled the Eagles in their first ever NFL game). The real game would have been the 1946 Browns vs. the 1946 Bears......that could have been a barnburner: George Halas vs. Paul Brown Sid Luckman vs. Otto Graham. The Monsters of the Midway vs. the........I don't think the Browns defense had a nickname at that time. ...a damned good Browns defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, Nero said: It was a pure geographical question, non-football related. I had understood the joke I understood, and I was giving you the geography. Any other questions of the sort? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, The Gipper said: I understood, and I was giving you the geography. Any other questions of the sort? Nah, thanks. I told you that because Orion had already responded to my question. I know that USA has California, Texas, Florida, Washington, Ohio, Louisiana... And fortysome Dakotas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Nero said: Nah, thanks. I told you that because Orion had already responded to my question. I know that USA has California, Texas, Florida, Washington, Ohio, Louisiana... And fortysome Dakotas. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 Here is some geographical data: States who had teams win the most Championships (NFL, AFL, AAFC) Ohio: 13 (4 or 5 franchises: Pro/Rams/Browns/Bulldogs) Wisconsin: 13.....all Packers New York: 11....Jets/Giants/Bills (note...count Jets/Giants as NY even though they play in New Jersey) California: 11... Chargers/Rams/49ers/Raiders Pennsylvania: 11.....Yellow Jackets/Eagles/Steelers Illinois: 10 Bears/Cardinals Texas: 8 .....Cowboys/Dall. Texans/Oilers Massachussets: 5 Patriots Maryland: 5: Colts/Ravens Washington DC: 5 Redskins (count as DC even though they play in Maryland) Michigan: 4......Lions Colorado: 3.....Broncos Florida: 3.....Dolphins, Bucs Missouri: 3.....Chiefs/Rams Indiana: 1....Colts Louisiana: 1....Saints Washington State: 1 Seahawks Rhode Island: 1 Steam Roller (states that currently have teams, but have never won a title: Arizona, Minnesota, Tennessee, North Carolina, Georgia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 22 minutes ago, Nero said: Nah, thanks. I told you that because Orion had already responded to my question. I know that USA has California, Texas, Florida, Washington, Ohio, Louisiana... And fortysome Dakotas. You of all people shouldn't forget Maine. Remember the Maine? We had to kick your asses in a war over the Maine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, The Gipper said: (states that currently have teams, but have never won a title: Arizona, Minnesota, Tennessee, North Carolina Georgia? 3 minutes ago, The Gipper said: You of all people shouldn't forget Maine. Remember the Maine? We had to kick your asses in a war over the Maine. Lol. Damn you... I remember Maine, I was just setting up the joke. In fact, it's 7pm and I'm still studying so I decided to rehearse my knowledge of the states at https://online.seterra.com/en/vgp/3003... Here are the results: This one got me pretty angry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 I think you need to explain this "test".... and why would you get angry over Nebraska. No one gets mad at Nebraska. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, The Gipper said: I think you need to explain this "test".... and why would you get angry over Nebraska. No one gets mad at Nebraska. Click the link and check the exercise, man. And you got many unimportant states in that middle area no one knows about... Thank God Kentucky resembles a fried chicken finger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, Nero said: Click the link and check the exercise, man. And you got many unimportant states in that middle area no one knows about... Thank God Kentucky resembles a fried chicken finger. You could end up with a pitchfork right up your ass by a farmer for that comment. Those "unimportant" states is the area that primarily feeds this planet. . The United States No country produces food as efficiently as the U.S. Despite having a significantly smaller workforce than China, total U.S. agricultural product is almost as high. Food production is spread across much of the country, but the largest food-producing states include California, Iowa, Texas, Nebraska and Illinois. American companies dominate the food export market. Second-place Netherlands exports 35% less than the U.S. and is closer to tenth-place China in terms of international product. The U.S. has been the world's largest exporter of food for a very long time thanks to an increasingly productive farming sector. In fact, the total food production in the U.S. has more than doubled in the post-war period. Twelve (12) states generate over $10 billion in agricultural cash reciepts: California, Iowa, Nebraska, Texas, Minnesota, Illinois, Kansas, Wisconsin, Indiana, North Carolina, Ohio & South Dakota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, The Gipper said: You could end up with a pitchfork right up your ass by a farmer for that comment. Those "unimportant" states is the area that primarily feeds this planet. . The United States No country produces food as efficiently as the U.S. Despite having a significantly smaller workforce than China, total U.S. agricultural product is almost as high. Food production is spread across much of the country, but the largest food-producing states include California, Iowa, Texas, Nebraska and Illinois. American companies dominate the food export market. Second-place Netherlands exports 35% less than the U.S. and is closer to tenth-place China in terms of international product. The U.S. has been the world's largest exporter of food for a very long time thanks to an increasingly productive farming sector. In fact, the total food production in the U.S. has more than doubled in the post-war period. Twelve (12) states generate over $10 billion in agricultural cash reciepts: California, Iowa, Nebraska, Texas, Minnesota, Illinois, Kansas, Wisconsin, Indiana, North Carolina, Ohio & South Dakota. I bet that farmer would look for me going south of Texas... Interesting data, though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, Nero said: Click the link and check the exercise, man. And you got many unimportant states in that middle area no one knows about... Thank God Kentucky resembles a fried chicken finger. Couldn't tell, but the test was to name the state associated with the number? Very tough for a European. I would kill that one, I'm pretty good at geography. If you notice my interests, one is mountaineering. There's a Highpointers Club, get to the highest point of every state, many folks have done it, and Denali in Alaska is a real challenge by any standard. My count stands at six, though you can ride a bicycle to the high points of Ohio (Campbell Hill) and Indiana (Hoosier Hill- that doesn't even look like a hill). Most definitely can't ride a bike up Gannett Peak in Wyoming. Gipper was being modest- he's been to all 50 states, some of them multiple times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, hoorta said: Couldn't tell, but the test was to name the state associated with the number? Very tough for a European. I would kill that one, I'm pretty good at geography. If you notice my interests, one is mountaineering. There's a Highpointers Club, get to the highest point of every state, many folks have done it, and Denali in Alaska is a real challenge by any standard. My count stands at six, though you can ride a bicycle to the high points of Ohio (Campbell Hill) and Indiana (Hoosier Hill- that doesn't even look like a hill). Most definitely can't ride a bike up Gannett Peak in Wyoming. Gipper was being modest- he's been to all 50 states, some of them multiple times. I have been to ALL of them multiple times actually.....except Alaska. Just one time there....Unless you count the fact that during the same trip I went from Alaska over to The Yukon, and then came back to Alaska...as two trips? I do not. FYI....on a recent trip, I hit the high points to both Illinois and Iowa. I have not really made it a point to hit all the high points...in terms of climbing to them. I have seen quite a few....but not physically gone to the top: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 15 minutes ago, hoorta said: Couldn't tell, but the test was to name the state associated with the number? With the number of the state? Only US citizens care to learn that. The program asks you for a state then you click on it. 16 minutes ago, hoorta said: Very tough for a European. I would kill that one, I'm pretty good at geography. I'm pretty good a geography too. Fun fact, I'd say that it is easier to learn the countries in Europe because they have a lot of History behind them. French-Spanish wars, Portugal allied with Spain, French always having trouble with the Channel, the isolationist Britain, Rome (the now Italy) being a Mediterranean power, Austorhungarian Empire on WWI, Germany invading Poland... You can mess up with some smaller countries closer to Russia (the steel curtain was not only a metaphor) or the Balkans due to recent wars, but you can make your way around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 Elevations of the 50 states, the federal district, and the territories[1][7][8] I am highlighting in red the ones I have physically been to. Others in like Orange I have seen visually but not been to the top Statefederal district or territory Highest point Highest elevation Rank (High point) Lowest point Lowest elevation Mean elevation Elevation span Alabama Cheaha Mountain[9] 2,413 ft 736 m 38 Gulf of Mexico sea level 500 ft 150 m 2,413 ft 736 m Alaska Denali[10] 20,310 ft 6190.5 m 1 Gulf of Alaska, Bering Sea, and Arctic Ocean sea level 1,900 ft 580 m 20,310 ft 6190.5 m American Samoa Lata Mountain on Ta‘ū island[11] 3,163 ft 964 m 36 Pacific Ocean sea level NA 3,163 ft 964 m Arizona Humphreys Peak[12] 12,637 ft 3852 m 12 Colorado River at Sonora border, San Luis, Arizona 72 ft 22 m 4,100 ft 1250 m 12,565 ft 3830 m Arkansas Mount Magazine[13] 2,753 ft 839 m 37 Ouachita River at Louisiana border 55 ft 17 m 650 ft 200 m 2,698 ft 822 m California Mount Whitney[14][15] 14,505 ft 4421.0 m 2 Badwater Basin in Death Valley[1][2][16]−279 ft −85 m 2,900 ft 880 m 14,783 ft 4506 m Colorado Mount Elbert[17][18] 14,440 ft 4401.2 m 3 Arikaree River at Kansas border[19][20] 3,317 ft 1011 m 6,800 ft 2070 m 11,123 ft 3390 m Connecticut Massachusetts border on south side of Mount Frissell[21] 2,379 ft 725 m 39 Long Island Sound sea level 500 ft 150 m 2,379 ft 725 m Delaware Near the Ebright Azimuth[22][23] 447 ft 136 m 54 Atlantic Ocean sea level 60 ft 20 m 447 ft 136 m District of Columbia Fort Reno[24] 409 ft 125 m 55 Potomac River at eastern Maryland border 1.0 ft 0.3 m 150 ft 50 m 408 ft 124 m Florida Britton Hill 345 ft 105 m 56 Atlantic Ocean and Gulf of Mexico sea level 100 ft 30 m 345 ft 105 m Georgia Brasstown Bald 4,784 ft 1458 m 25 Atlantic Ocean sea level 600 ft 180 m 4,784 ft 1458 m Guam Mount Lamlam 1,332 ft 406 m[25] 48 Pacific Ocean sea level NA 1,332 ft 406 m Hawaii Mauna Kea[26][27] on the Island of Hawai'i 13,803 ft 4207 m 6 Pacific Ocean sea level 3,030 ft 920 m 13,803 ft 4207 m Idaho Borah Peak[28] 12,668 ft 3861 m 11 Confluence of Snake River and Clearwater River 713 ft 217 m 5,000 ft 1520 m 11,954 ft 3644 m Illinois Charles Mound[29] 1,235 ft 376 m 50 Confluence of Mississippi River and Ohio River 280 ft 85 m 600 ft 180 m 955 ft 291 m Indiana Hoosier Hill 1,257 ft 383 m 49 Confluence of Wabash River and Ohio River 320 ft 97 m 700 ft 210 m 937 ft 286 m Iowa Hawkeye Point 1,671 ft 509 m 45 Confluence of Mississippi River and Des Moines River 480 ft 146 m 1,100 ft 340 m 1,191 ft 363 m Kansas Mount Sunflower 4,041 ft 1232 m 29 Verdigris River at Oklahoma border 679 ft 207 m 2,000 ft 610 m 3,361 ft 1025 m Kentucky Black Mountain 4,145 ft 1263 m 28 Mississippi River at Kentucky Bend 257 ft 78 m 750 ft 230 m 3,887 ft 1185 m Louisiana Driskill Mountain 535 ft 163 m 53 New Orleans −8 ft −2.4 m 100 ft 30 m 543 ft 165 m Maine Mount Katahdin[30] 5,270 ft 1606.4 m 22 Atlantic Ocean sea level 600 ft 180 m 5,270 ft 1606.4 m Maryland Hoye-Crest 3,360 ft 1024 m 33 Atlantic Ocean sea level 350 ft 110 m 3,360 ft 1024 m Massachusetts Mount Greylock[31] 3,489 ft 1063 m 32 Atlantic Ocean sea level 500 ft 150 m 3,489 ft 1063 m Michigan Mount Arvon 1,979 ft 603 m 41 Lake Erie 571 ft 174 m 900 ft 270 m 1,408 ft 429 m Minnesota Eagle Mountain 2,302 ft 701 m 40 Lake Superior 601 ft 183 m 1,200 ft 370 m 1,700 ft 518 m Mississippi Woodall Mountain[32] 807 ft 246 m 52 Gulf of Mexico sea level 300 ft 90 m 807 ft 246 m Missouri Taum Sauk Mountain 1,772 ft 540 m 44 Saint Francis River at southern Arkansas border 230 ft 70 m 800 ft 240 m 1,542 ft 470 m Montana Granite Peak[33] 12,807 ft 3903.5 m 10 Kootenai River at Idaho border 1,804 ft 550 m 3,400 ft 1040 m 11,003 ft 3354 m Nebraska Panorama Point 5,427 ft 1654 m 20 Missouri River at Kansas border 840 ft 256 m 2,600 ft 790 m 4,587 ft 1398 m Nevada Boundary Peak[34] 13,147 ft 4007 m 9 Colorado River at California border 481 ft 147 m 5,500 ft 1680 m 12,665 ft 3860 m New Hampshire Mount Washington[35][36] 6,288 ft 1917 m 18 Atlantic Ocean sea level 1,000 ft 300 m 6,288 ft 1917 m New Jersey High Point 1,803 ft 550 m 43 Atlantic Ocean sea level 250 ft 80 m 1,803 ft 550 m New Mexico Wheeler Peak[37] 13,167 ft 4013.3 m 8 Red Bluff Reservoir on Texas border 2,844 ft 867 m 5,700 ft 1740 m 10,323 ft 3147 m New York Mount Marcy[38] 5,343 ft 1628.57 m 21 Atlantic Ocean sea level 1,000 ft 300 m 5,343 ft 1628.57 m North Carolina Mount Mitchell[39] 6,684 ft 2037 m 16 Atlantic Ocean sea level 700 ft 210 m 6,684 ft 2037 m North Dakota White Butte 3,508 ft 1069 m 31 Red River of the North at Manitoba border 751 ft 229 m 1,900 ft 580 m 2,757 ft 840 m Northern Mariana Islands Unnamed point on Agrihan island 3,166 ft 965 m[40] 35 Pacific Ocean sea level NA 3,166 ft 965 m Ohio Campbell Hill 1,549 ft 472 m 47 Ohio River at Indiana border 455 ft 139 m 850 ft 260 m 1,094 ft 333 m Oklahoma Black Mesa 4,975 ft 1516 m 23 Little River at Arkansas border 289 ft 88 m 1,300 ft 400 m 4,686 ft 1428 m Oregon Mount Hood[41] 11,249 ft 3428.8 m 13 Pacific Ocean sea level 3,300 ft 1010 m 11,249 ft 3428.8 m Pennsylvania Mount Davis 3,213 ft 979 m 34 Delaware River at Delaware border sea level 1,100 ft 340 m 3,213 ft 979 m Puerto Rico Cerro de Punta 4,390 ft 1338 m[42] 27 Atlantic Ocean (Caribbean sea) sea level 856 ft 261 m 4,390 ft 1338 m Rhode Island Jerimoth Hill 811 ft 247 m 51 Atlantic Ocean sea level 200 ft 60 m 811 ft 247 m South Carolina Sassafras Mountain 3,560 ft 1085 m 30 Atlantic Ocean sea level 350 ft 110 m 3,560 ft 1085 m South Dakota Black Elk Peak[43] 7,244 ft 2208 m 15 Big Stone Lake on Minnesota border 968 ft 295 m 2,200 ft 670 m 6,276 ft 1913 m Tennessee Clingmans Dome 6,643 ft 2025 m 17 Mississippi River at Mississippi border 178 ft 54 m 900 ft 270 m 6,466 ft 1971 m Texas Guadalupe Peak[44] 8,751 ft 2667 m 14 Gulf of Mexico sea level 1,700 ft 520 m 8,751 ft 2667 m United States Minor Outlying Islands Unnamed point on Navassa Island 279 ft 85 m[45] 57 Pacific Ocean (8 islands) and Caribbean Sea(Navassa Island) sea level NA 279 ft 85 m Utah Kings Peak[46] 13,534 ft 4125 m 7 Beaver Dam Wash at Arizona border 2,180 ft 664 m 6,100 ft 1860 m 11,354 ft 3461 m Vermont Mount Mansfield[47] 4,395 ft 1340 m 26 Lake Champlain 95 ft 29 m 1,000 ft 300 m 4,300 ft 1311 m Virgin Islands (U.S.) Crown Mountain on the island of Saint Thomas 1,555 ft 474 m[48] 46 Atlantic Ocean (Caribbean Sea) sea level NA 1,555 ft 474 m Virginia Mount Rogers 5,729 ft 1746 m 19 Atlantic Ocean sea level 950 ft 290 m 5,729 ft 1746 m Washington Mount Rainier[49] 14,417 ft 4394 m 4 Pacific Ocean sea level 1,700 ft 520 m 14,417 ft 4394 m West Virginia Spruce Knob[50] 4,863 ft 1482.1 m 24 Potomac River at Virginia border 240 ft 73 m 1,500 ft 460 m 4,623 ft 1409 m Wisconsin Timms Hill 1,951 ft 595 m 42 Lake Michigan 579 ft 176 m 1,050 ft 320 m 1,372 ft 418 m Wyoming Gannett Peak[51] 13,809 ft 4209.1 m 5 Belle Fourche River at South Dakota border 3,101 ft 945 m 6,700 ft 2040 m 10,709 ft 3264 m United States Denali,[10] Alaska 20,310 ft 6190.5 m Badwater Basin,[16] California Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Nero said: With the number of the state? Only US citizens care to learn that. The program asks you for a state then you click on it. I'm pretty good a geography too. Fun fact, I'd say that it is easier to learn the countries in Europe because they have a lot of History behind them. French-Spanish wars, Portugal allied with Spain, French always having trouble with the Channel, the isolationist Britain, Rome (the now Italy) being a Mediterranean power, Austorhungarian Empire on WWI, Germany invading Poland... You can mess up with some smaller countries closer to Russia (the steel curtain was not only a metaphor) or the Balkans due to recent wars, but you can make your way around... Well.....a bit of a problem with some parts of Europe is that they can't keep straight what areas are supposed to be a country and what is not? Particularly the Balkans. Moldova, Macedonia, Montenegro, Bosnia, Herzegovinia etc. etc. What was wrong with just having Yugoslavia? And from what I understand....part of Spain is actually in Africa? And Turkey is part Europe, part Asia? I mean for fuck's sake at least figure out what continent you're on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 Not going to quote Gipper's entire list of state high points, but it did get me a little worried. South Dakota, Black Elk Peak? I climbed it when it was called Harney Peak, they changed the name. Some Ohioans got bent out of shape when the US Geological Survey (rightfully) changed the name of Mount McKinley (former US president from Ohio) to the local native name Denali- "the high one". Now if the Nepalese government would grow a set and change the name of Mount Everest (some damn British surveyor) back to what it belongs, Chomolungma or Sagamartha, it would make me happy. Very few of the other major Himalayan peaks got this treatment. K2 is so remote, even the locals didn't have a name for it. PS, my Himalayan cat Norman's middle name after a peak is Namcha Barwa. Didn't like the sound of Nanga Parbat, and Nanda Devi is named after a woman Hindu goddess, Norman is a boy. Nuptse might have worked. See why "Mount Everest" is SO out of place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, hoorta said: Not going to quote Gipper's entire list of state high points, but it did get me a little worried. South Dakota, Black Elk Peak? I climbed it when it was called Harney Peak, they changed the name. Some Ohioans got bent out of shape when the US Geological Survey (rightfully) changed the name of Mount McKinley (former US president from Ohio) to the local native name Denali- "the high one". Now if the Nepalese government would grow a set and change the name of Mount Everest (some damn British surveyor) back to what it belongs, Chomolungma or Sagamartha, it would make me happy. Very few of the other major Himalayan peaks got this treatment. K2 is so remote, even the locals didn't have a name for it. PS, my Himalayan cat Norman's middle name after a peak is Namcha Barwa. Didn't like the sound of Nanga Parbat, and Nanda Devi is named after a woman Hindu goddess, Norman is a boy. Nuptse might have worked. See why "Mount Everest" is SO out of place? Yea, I wondered about it. The name had always been Harney Peak.....I thought maybe after a new survey that they had found a higher point somewhere....instead of just a name change. But, wasn't Everest basically the guy that was responsible for determining that that peak was the highest point on earth? So, it does not bother me. There are thousands and thousands of geological features on earth where a native population probably had their own name for them. Mountains, lakes, rivers, swamps etc. Half the states themselves have native American names....including Ohio....which means basically: "Its beautiful". The river a few blocks from where I sit: The Tuscarawas means "Open Mouth" Here are Indian names of counties in Ohio: https://www.dispatch.com/article/20081119/lifestyle/311199650 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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